Female priests push Catholic boundaries

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pilots13 said:
I had a talk a while back about the seminary numbers. The seminary here in town (Twin Cities where this article came from in fact) is also seeing it’s highest numbers in years. But the side no one is reporting is that is caused more by smaller seminaries in the midwest closing and these priests in training having to go from South Dakota to the Twin Cities for school. Thus individual seminary enrollment numbers are booming, but the overall numbers aren’t. The other factor is for every new seminarian we pump out, 2 priests are reaching retirement age (and this is assuming all the priests stay in town vs going back to South Dakota). So I really doubt the clergy issue is anywhere near to being over."
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Actually thats not true. Over all even given the closing of smaller seminaries the overall numbers of men entering for the u.s are up. Acording to the catholic news service:
In all, there were 3,608 post-baccalaureate U.S. seminarians last year, a net increase of 125 seminarians, or 4 percent, over the previous year and the highest number since the early 1990s. More than three-quarters of them were studying for the diocesan priesthood, while 24 percent intend to be ordained for religious orders.
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ConstantineTG said:
Today, but historically the Empress received Communion at the altar with the clergy.
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That’s because she has the blessing of the bishop. Today the only woman allowed inside the sanctuary is the abbess of a monastery, but she still must have the permission of the bishop to do so. It was the same with the Empress back then.
 
pilots13 said:
…and the dwindling number of clergy (my parish just got clustered because of this), it’s tough for people to just accept this (fallible or infallible). It might start with a few nut jobs at a Methodist church, but it can get out of control really fast.
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Priestly vocations are very strong in my diocese.
 
Our daughter went to college in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area. when we would go to visit her we would go to Mass in the areas where she was living at the time. A few times we stepped out of the church,and looked up at the name of the church,just to make sure we were really in a catholic church. It’s absolutely amazing what’s going on in some of the Catholic churches in that area. And on a side note, our diocese of duluth will be ordaining six catholic priests, from our diocese, that attend St. Paul Seminary. I have met these men, all of them good,holy men!!! Praise be to God!!
 
Colt said:
Priestly vocations are very strong in my diocese.
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I’m not disputing that clergy numbers are up, but to say they are booming and there’s no more room at the inn, is far from true for the reasons I stated.

"About a third of the 79 priests in the Diocese of Palm Beach and the 192 in the Archdiocese of Miami are over age 60. By comparison, about 9 percent of the U.S. work force are senior citizens. A level as high as the church’s might panic leaders in the business community. "

“In fact, by 2019, it is projected that religious (Priests, Nuns, Brothers, etc) past age 70 will outnumber those under age 70 by nearly four to one.”

The first quote is from some Florida newspaper (The heathen media!!!) and the second is from the Retirement Fund for the Religious website (for which my parish just had a fund drive for this past weekend).

catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/dstpa.html

This is the stats for my Archdiocese. If you scroll down you’ll see a steady decrease in the #'s of priests, the # of parishes holding fairly steady, and the parishioner/priest ratio going through the roof. Maybe other dioceses are better off that this, but this is what I’m used to in my city. Tie all those statistics together, and the magic 8 ball says Outlook Not So Good
 
maryj said:
Our daughter went to college in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area. when we would go to visit her we would go to Mass in the areas where she was living at the time. A few times we stepped out of the church,and looked up at the name of the church,just to make sure we were really in a catholic church. It’s absolutely amazing what’s going on in some of the Catholic churches in that area.
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Years before turning east, I found the nearest church while traveling. I noticed the school in the parking lot on the way in.

Once inside, I took a double-take–a third of the congregation was black!

Wondering if I was in the right place, I looked around. Those were clearly statutes of SS Ignatious & Bellarmine up front, so . . .

It was different than anything I’d seen before, including the enthusiasm and welcoming. (in fact, I kind of wanted to move there :)).

I found out later that the neighborhood had a huge Ethiopian immigrant community . . .

hawk
hawk
 
Colt said:
It wouldn’t have mattered if women went through the “ordination ceremonies.” It’s ontologically impossible for woman to be ordained a Catholic priest. Like a priest trying to confect the Eucharist using a t-bone steak and a pitcher of Budweiser. Just ain’t gonna happen.
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But if it’s a freshly tapped keg of Sierra Nevada . . .

🙂

hawk
 
ConstantineTG said:
Today, but historically the Empress received Communion at the altar with the clergy.
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The Orthodox Church does have an order of deaconesses, though not liturgical and very rarely used.

This Thing with the so called women Priests is a way of damaging the Catholic Churches Reputation, and trying to make people look at the church through bad lenses.

I do agree with what jwinch2 has said, things are starting to change for the better, though unfortunately not in this country.
 
Why do the Orthodox not have to struggle with ‘women priests’? It seems to be just a Catholic problem.
 
MartyrForJesus said:
Why do the Orthodox not have to struggle with ‘women priests’? It seems to be just a Catholic problem.
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Because the Orthodox do not change with the times, there Divine liturgy and beliefs have always stayed the same.

They don’t have a shortage of priests because there priests can be married, only there bishops have to be celibate.

On another forum there is a catholic woman saying she was born to soon lol
I don’t know any women priests, either (other than Presbyterian, Methodist, and Episcopal, all of whom are very gifted in their ministries.)
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I don’t support the actions of these women, although I sympathize and understand their frustration and think, basically, that they have just been born too soon. But the reason why I don’t support them differs from the reasons why you don’t support them.
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I don’t support them because I’m sure they are among the best and the brightest. We need the best and the brightest working inside the system for change, not becoming outside agitators. I know they are frustrated, and maybe we are guilty of not supporting them enough. But what is needed for them to work within the system without ever compromising their core principles.
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I don’t know women priests. I have known some brilliant sisters over the years. They know they were born too soon, but they keep on keeping on for their great nieces, and great great nieces, and great great great nieces in the future.
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christianforums.com/t7615363-5/#post59280881
 
I think it’s making a big brew of nothing. I was an ordained United Methodist clergy for 4 years and then my son died and I went to total atheist in 5.2 seconds. I stayed there, and then converted to Catholicism where I have found my home.

I don’t really care if there are women ordained or not but the church has made itself clear on the topic and I would never attend any so-called “mass” where a “woman priest” was “presiding”. There is no such animal and I’m not going to tolerate mutiny.

I just don’t care personally. I sincerely feel for them IF (and I mean IF) they sincerely feel some sense of call but there are other ways to serve and where they went to seminary would be a good question. Methodist seminaries are about 65% women at this point. But I can’t imagine any Catholic seminary allowing a woman admission who is taking classes to be a priest.

It was hard to surrender my orders but I did and I am SO HAPPY to be Catholic. I have no regrets. They need to quit what they are doing and come home…there is a LOT that needs to be done.

Glad to be one of the sheep,

Lorrie
 
johnridgway said:
Dressed in a priestly white robe and green stole, Monique Venne lifted communion bread before an altar – defying centuries of Catholic Church law.

Despite promises of excommunication from the Vatican, she and six other women in Minnesota say they are legitimate, ordained Catholic priests, fit to celebrate the mass. They trace their status through a line of ordained women bishops back to anonymous male bishops in Europe.

startribune.com/local/minneapolis/135386288.html?page=all&prepage=1&c=y#continue
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Actually the thread title is wrong because there are no female priests. There are only females who pretend to be priests.
 
Theophorus said:
I’m sorry the reference and it’s relation to the denial of the existence of the prison one is in, is lost on me.
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Henry Davit Thoreau was jailed for refusal to pay his poll tax.

His writings on this basically deny that it was he rather than society that was imprisoned.

hawk
 
I still cannot understand the thinking/mentality of those that want so earnestly to remain Catholic yet flat out deny what the Church teaches. In my opinion, an honest person couldn’t obstinately and passionately remain in an organization with which they so strongly disagree. According to these women, the Church’s teaching on the Sacrament of Holy Orders and who can recieve them is just “WRONG”, it’s just a “LIE” to them. Why do they want to continue in a Church that to them teaches these “lies”?

It’s like me, as an avid gun owner and enthusiast, going and joining the Brady Campaign, spending my time at their events, and giving them money. Even though I am a huge supporter of gun rights, and my views are much more alligned with the NRA.

It makes no sense. If a person doesn’t believe Catholic teachings then why on earth do they want to be Catholic? I’m not planning on becoming a Muslim anytime soon because I simply don’t believe what Islam teaches. Pretty simple really…I don’t understand why these people can’t compute the same thing.
 
FromTheAshes777 said:
I still cannot understand the thinking/mentality of those that want so earnestly to remain Catholic yet flat out deny what the Church teaches. In my opinion, an honest person couldn’t obstinately and passionately remain in an organization with which they so strongly disagree. According to these women, the Church’s teaching on the Sacrament of Holy Orders and who can recieve them is just “WRONG”, it’s just a “LIE” to them. Why do they want to continue in a Church that to them teaches these “lies”?

It’s like me, as an avid gun owner and enthusiast, going and joining the Brady Campaign, spending my time at their events, and giving them money. Even though I am a huge supporter of gun rights, and my views are much more alligned with the NRA.

It makes no sense. If a person doesn’t believe Catholic teachings then why on earth do they want to be Catholic? I’m not planning on becoming a Muslim anytime soon because I simply don’t believe what Islam teaches. Pretty simple really…I don’t understand why these people can’t compute the same thing.
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Probably cause they are trying to push change. They believe in the Church, other than their stance on females in the priesthood. Granted they are going about it all wrong, but I see that as what they are trying to do.

If you believe in transubstantiation and the Virgin Mary, etc, but not in male only priesthood, where do you go? You’re going to kick them out of the Church, and other forms of Christianity don’t believe in Mary (in the same way) etc. That’s why they stay and stir up problems like this.
 
I wish these women could be as eager in obeying the Church teachings and live a live in prayer, love and sacrifice rather than being selfish and pretend to do-be something they never can or will be.

I pray for them and anyone else living in denial.
 
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