Female priests

[JM3]

Isn’t it better to keep an open mind to these things and let Jesus and the Gospels themselves teach you about what to believe?

Jesus established a Church to teach us.

Perhaps you can answer Trevor Stamm’s question, since your words indicate that you have seperated yourself from the Church.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Jesus established a Church to teach us.

Perhaps you can answer Trevor Stamm’s question, since your words indicate that you have seperated yourself from the Church.

I suspect she is here to turn Catholics against the Church and to follow her. What is new? Throughout the life of the Church, man has done this. Thank God for protecting us and give us discernment to know a Truth from a lie.

 

[JM3]

The testimony of history.

Apostolic Constitutions (Book VIII)

SIMON THE CANAANITE CONCERNING BISHOPS, PRESBYTERS, DEACONS, AND THE REST OF THE CLERGY.

XXVIII. Concerning the canons I the same make a constitution. A bishop blesses, but does not receive the blessing. He lays on hands, ordains, offers, receives the blessing from bishops, but by no means from presbyters. A bishop deprives any clergyman who deserves deprivation, excepting a bishop; for of himself he has not power to do that. A presbyter blesses, but does not receive the blessing; yet does he receive the blessing from the bishop or a fellow-presbyter. In like manner does he give it to a fellow-presbyter. He lays on hands, but does not ordain; he does not deprive, yet does he separate those that are under him, if they be liable to such a punishment. A deacon does not bless, does not give the blessing, but receives it from the bishop and presbyter: he does not baptize, he does not offer; but when a bishop or presbyter has offered, he distributes to the people, not as a priest, but as one that ministers to the priests. But it is not lawful for any one of the other clergy to do the work of a deacon. A deaconess does not bless, nor perform anything belonging to the office of presbyters or deacons, but only is to keep the doors, and to minister to the presbyters in the baptizing of women, on account of decency. A deacon separates a sub-deacon, a reader, a singer, and a deaconess, if there be any occasion, in the absence of a presbyter. It is not lawful for a sub-deacon to separate either one of the clergy or laity; nor for a reader, nor for a singer, nor for a deaconess, for they are the ministers to the deacons.

 

[JM3]

Just thought I would throw that out there.

 

[onmyknees]

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, and there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Gal 3:25

This writing by St. Paul is all the more remarkable given the subordinated role/status of women in Greco-Roman society of the time.

The statements in the letter to Timothy about head covering were probably not written by St. Paul. The majority of scripture scholars doubt that Paul was the direct author of the two letters to Timothy and the letter to Titus.

BTW, if church practices mentioned in the NT are forever immutable, why doesn’t the church insist on head coverings and silence for woman? St. Peter was unmistakably married after he answered Christ’s call to discipleship. Another trivial example of shift in religious practice: Why is it we are now allowed to eat the meat of “strangled animals” which for some reason was mentioned as an enduring requirement of Judaism? (Act 15:20)

The doctrines and dogmas of the Church have never changed and will never be able to change because they are from the Holy Spirit.
The traditions of the Church have always been able to be changed. For example the wearing of head coverings for women, not eating meat of Fridays, and married priests. Some of us refer to these as the big “T” teachings or the little “t” traditions of the Church.

 

[onmyknees]

My priest once told me the biggest problem with Catholics is they can’t distinguish between the true Faith of the Church (in God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Eucharist) and the rules that someone came up with centuries ago. On this topic of women priests. No where does Jesus make anyone a “priest.” No where does Jesus ban women from being priests. People read into the stories that “the Apostles were all men, so that means Jesus only wants men to be priests!” Well, when the Holy Spirit came to those Apostles on Pentecost, were they alone, or were there women with them? When Jesus died on the cross who was at his feet? When he rose from the dead who did he appear to first? When I read the Gospels, I see a Christ that is welcoming of women and treats women as his equal. Then I come to a board like this and see his present day followers belittling women as the Jews, and the rest of society did, in Christ’s time. It really saddens me.
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Catholics need to have both the true faith of the Church (in God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the Eucharist) as well as believe in the teachings of the Church. We need to have both! They are not just rules that someone came up with centuries ago. The teachings are from God himself. The Holy Spirit guides the Church in all Truth. It is right in scripture that Jesus, Himself tells us this!!
And Jesus did respect women as equals because of their intrinsic dignity as human persons but He made only men be bishops in the early Church.

Matt 16: 18-19 Jesus said this, “And I tell you,you are Peter’ and on this rock’ (Peter, translated means rock) I will build my Church, and the powers of death, shall not prevail against it… I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

 

[Michael_Francis]

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