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Many non-Catholics as well as misguided Catholics have been calling e church sexist for “excluding woman”. Those who demand woman priests are heavily underestimating the crucial role Nuns play in the Catholic Church.

Mother Teresa and the sisters of charity are one example of opportunities for woman who hope to join the church; helping the destitute of the world is a VERY important job.

I welcome any agreement or criticism, just so long as evidence and respect accompanies it.

Also, the link below is to a list of woman who (if still alive) would have opposed letting woman become priests.

catholic.org/saints/female.php
 
The following is from “WOMEN PRIESTS” by Joanne Bogle

times have often favored a female priesthood and never more so than when Christ ordained His first priests, nearly 2,000 years ago. Virtually all the pagan religions of His day had priestesses, and it would have been entirely normal and natural for Him to choose women for this task. He had, moreover, a number of excellent potential candidates, from His own Mother, who accompanied Him at His first miracle and stood with Him as He suffered on the cross, to Mary Magdalene or the women of Bethany. Instead, He chose only men, and He remained immovable on this, continuing right to the end to exhort and train them all, leaving thus a Church which turned out to be safely founded on a rock. From those twelve men a direct line of apostolic succession has given the Catholic Church the bishops and priests it has today.

My own opinion.
I don’t think the confessional is a place for women priests. Tell a woman something and it stays with them forever. With us men…we dont hold onto things, it all goes in one ear and out the other. I think God knows that only men are meant to hear confessions.
 
Catholicism draws on Jewish tradition which did not have female priests. I find the idea of having female priests very pagan.

Women are psychiatrists, lawyers, etc. and are capable of listening to the deep troubles of people but this does not mean they should be priests.

Also believe it was and is a mistake to allow female altar servers. This should be an apprenticeship for boys. Once early in the Church that is how boys became priests by following the priest.
 
Petersmate said:
The following is from “WOMEN PRIESTS” by Joanne Bogle

My own opinion.
I don’t think the confessional is a place for women priests. Tell a woman something and it stays with them forever. With us men…we dont hold onto things, it all goes in one ear and out the other. I think God knows that only men are meant to hear confessions.
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sometimes words fail me:doh2:
 
Petersmate said:
:rotfl: let me guess, your female
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well actually i am, i know both men and women that dont let things go, that statement was one sided, mind you women use that ability to drive the world nuts, you probably have met one that in 50 years time will remind you of what you did that they wont let you forget :rotfl:
 
Pope John Paul II wrote quite clearly about this.

"2. The Declaration recalls and explains the fundamental reasons for this teaching, reasons expounded by Paul VI, and concludes that the Church “does not consider herself authorized to admit women to priestly ordination.”(3) To these fundamental reasons the document adds other theological reasons which illustrate the appropriateness of the divine provision, and it also shows clearly that Christ’s way of acting did not proceed from sociological or cultural motives peculiar to his time. As Paul VI later explained: “The real reason is that, in giving the Church her fundamental constitution, her theological anthropology-thereafter always followed by the Church’s Tradition- Christ established things in this way.”(4)

“In the Apostolic Letter Mulieris Dignitatem, I myself wrote in this regard: “In calling only men as his Apostles, Christ acted in a completely free and sovereign manner. In doing so, he exercised the same freedom with which, in all his behavior, he emphasized the dignity and the vocation of women, without conforming to the prevailing customs and to the traditions sanctioned by the legislation of the time.”(5)”

Jesus Christ, as God, was not constrained by any “sociological or cultural motives peculiar to his time.”

Source: vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/1994/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_19940522_ordinatio-sacerdotalis_en.html

Peace,
Ed
 
GK Chesterton once said something like “Reformers are usually right about what is wrong, but are almost always wrong about what is right.”

This applies in spades to the modern radical feminists in the model of Gloria Steinem or Simone DeBeauvoir. They correctly noted that the men held the reins of power in society and that powerful men considered women and the roles they played in society to be menial and inferior to those played by men. They then responded by essentially AGREEING with the mysoginists and deciding to abandon those roles in favor of roles that got them power and prestige.

This was the tragic blunder that Chesterton bemoaned. Instead of correcting the problem in which men were not recognizing and valuing the utterly crucial contributions women made to culture and human civilization, the new feminists joined in the sneering at the “barefoot and pregnant woman” and proceeded to masculinize women.

A sad missed opportunity to actually fix the original problem and recognize the way that women have traditionally been the ones who sustained and passed on the culture while men have typically tended to the external supports for that culture. Instead we’ve now gotten a hollowed out civilization that has more wealth than ever before and more empty meaninglessness as well.

Even in the church we haven’t learned this lesson well. You hear quite a bit about the crisis of priestly vocations. That’s a minor problem in comparison to the disastrous collapse in vocations to religious life among women. We haven’t hardly even recognized what we’ve lost yet.
 
Petersmate said:
My own opinion.
I don’t think the confessional is a place for women priests. Tell a woman something and it stays with them forever. With us men…we dont hold onto things, it all goes in one ear and out the other. I think God knows that only men are meant to hear confessions.
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Yeah, right. Reminds me of another argument I’ve heard on the matter of women priests: women do not belong in confessional, since they will inevitably gossip to their friends everything the penitent confessed.

I fully support the Church’s position regarding woman priests, but can we please not resort to obviously sexist argumentation?
 
manualman said:
GK Chesterton once said something like “Reformers are usually right about what is wrong, but are almost always wrong about what is right.”

This applies in spades to the modern radical feminists in the model of Gloria Steinem or Simone DeBeauvoir. They correctly noted that the men held the reins of power in society and that powerful men considered women and the roles they played in society to be menial and inferior to those played by men. They then responded by essentially AGREEING with the mysoginists and deciding to abandon those roles in favor of roles that got them power and prestige.

This was the tragic blunder that Chesterton bemoaned. Instead of correcting the problem in which men were not recognizing and valuing the utterly crucial contributions women made to culture and human civilization, the new feminists joined in the sneering at the “barefoot and pregnant woman” and proceeded to masculinize women.

A sad missed opportunity to actually fix the original problem and recognize the way that women have traditionally been the ones who sustained and passed on the culture while men have typically tended to the external supports for that culture. Instead we’ve now gotten a hollowed out civilization that has more wealth than ever before and more empty meaninglessness as well.

Even in the church we haven’t learned this lesson well. You hear quite a bit about the crisis of priestly vocations. That’s a minor problem in comparison to the disastrous collapse in vocations to religious life among women. We haven’t hardly even recognized what we’ve lost yet.
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We know what we’ve lost and why. It is up to each of us to expose the lies and name names. The radical feminists patterned their vicious, anti-family, anti-men agenda along classic Marxist class warfare principles. Women must overthrow all men with power, including the Church. And then take over.

Men and women, as husbands and wives, form the basic building blocks of society – the family. They are out to destroy that.

amazon.com/Extreme-Makeover-Transformed-Conformed-Culture/dp/1586175610

amazon.com/Noise-Media-saturated-Dominates-Dismantles-Families/dp/1932927948/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1404930534&sr=1-1&keywords=noise+tomeo

amazon.com/Marketing-Evil-Pseudo-Experts-Corruption-Disguised/dp/1581824599/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1404930654&sr=1-1&keywords=marketing+of+evil

amazon.com/Be-Man-Becoming-God-Created/dp/1586174037/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1404930742&sr=1-1&keywords=be+a+man+by+fr.+larry+richards

In broken families, with no father figure to guide them, how are the good traits and good example passed on to the next generation of young men? Yes, when the Women’s Liberation movement got going in the 1970s, I thought they would attempt to provide solutions to the real problems that affected some men and some women. The were NOT solution oriented. They were out to divide every house, every family, and estrange as many men from as many women as possible. Women were basically good. Men were basically evil, especially regarding women. Their strategy meant that young people don’t know what dating is, what the natural role of the sexes is, or to even take marriage seriously.

Women in religious life? They became infected as well.

ncregister.com/daily-news/the-lcwr-vs.-the-vatican-setting-the-record-straight/

Priestly vocations have increased.

ncregister.com/daily-news/benedicts-men-u.s.-vocations-strengthen-during-his-eight-year-papacy/

Peace,
Ed
 
Agnessa said:
Yeah, right. Reminds me of another argument I’ve heard on the matter of women priests: women do not belong in confessional, since they will inevitably gossip to their friends everything the penitent confessed.

I fully support the Church’s position regarding woman priests, but can we please not resort to obviously sexist argumentation?
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Now there is a grain of truth in what he said. The part about things going in one ear, and out the other in men is true enough.

ATB
 
Regarding the nun thing:

My RCIA teacher was always very disappointed in how nuns are treated by the church. The only specific example I can recall off the cuff is that most (all?) nuns are required to take vows of poverty and that diocesan priests can amass as much wealth as they like.

Assuming that’s true, it doesn’t seem particularly fair.
 
QuasiCatholic said:
Regarding the nun thing:

My RCIA teacher was always very disappointed in how nuns are treated by the church. The only specific example I can recall off the cuff is that most (all?) nuns are required to take vows of poverty and that diocesan priests can amass as much wealth as they li[BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]ke.

Assuming that’s true, it doesn’t seem particularly fair.
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Actually, the priests are not exactly rolling in dough.

Bishops get paid, per year, less than priests do.

The Pope only gets “paid” three coins for every year in office, and I put the quotation marks around the word “paid” because the coins are only given to him after he is dead and they put it in his coffin. Everything else the Pope has is things he is just loaned to help him carry out his work (this is not criticism, as even the heir to St. Peter has to eat something). So it is fair, considering priests also have to live in humble conditions.

In any case, St. Joan of Arc would have been outraged someone suggested to her that women should be allowed to be priests.
 
Agnessa said:
Yeah, right. Reminds me of another argument I’ve heard on the matter of women priests: women do not belong in confessional, since they will inevitably gossip to their friends everything the penitent confessed.

I fully support the Church’s position regarding woman priests, but can we please not resort to obviously sexist argumentation?
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Oh don’t be like that I’m not sexist. I think women are the most amazing creatures God ever created. There so much to like about women, families struggle without their amazing ability to multi task , the friendly way they love to dialogue their feminine beauty, their nurturing instincts, where would we be without our Mothers. I could go on and on.

Generally speaking men are more suited to priesthood. I think God deliberately made it that way.
 
Qaletaqa said:
well actually i am, i know both men and women that dont let things go, that statement was one sided, mind you women use that ability to drive the world nuts, you probably have met one that in 50 years time will remind you of what you did that they wont let you forget :rotfl:
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I’ve got 4 daughters that remind me of things I just simply cannot remember.
Yes some of us can be wired differently but generally speaking men are the way they are and women are the way they are.

Women are the toughest and bravest and strongest of the two sexes that’s for sure.

But men are suited to priesthood.

youtu.be/3XjUFYxSxDk
 
aicirt said:
Also believe it was and is a mistake to allow female altar servers. This should be an apprenticeship for boys. Once early in the Church that is how boys became priests by following the priest.
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What authority made this decision?
 
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