Feminism, can any good come from it?

[MariaG]

Almost all of the early American feminists were involved with he “Temperance Movement”. Too bad the “Temperance Movement was unsuccessful”.

Respectfully, I do not agree that the temperance movement was a good thing. There is nothing intrinsicly evil in alcohol.

Although, I do wonder…Were Catholics allowed wine in Mass to freely practice our religion as per separation of Church and state or did they have to “go underground” too?

 

[Black_Jaque]

You have mentioned that the right to vote for women was a good thing for women. I agree but on some of the Men’s Rights Forums they complain that women should not be able to vote unless they serve in the military. That was always one of the conditions in this country for men who voted during the earlier days when America was founded. That and owning land. I think the men have a valid complaint…

This is along the lines of what I’m talking about. Men have a duty to serve in the military (when needed) and as a result of that duty they have a right to a say in the government that has the power to declare war.

With duties come rights.

So what is the woman’s duty that is tied to the right to vote?

And don’t be silly. Just because the draft has supposedly been eliminated, don’t think it won’t be started up the minute our military is running out of soldiers.

 

[rpp]

Respectfully, I do not agree that the temperance movement was a good thing. There is nothing intrinsicly evil in alcohol.

Although, I do wonder…Were Catholics allowed wine in Mass to freely practice our religion as per separation of Church and state or did they have to “go underground” too?

That was actually one of the sub-plots of the temperance movement. It was anti-Catholic in it’s core. The purpose was to make it illegal to have communion wine. Fortunately, exceptions were made to the laws, over the objections of many including Carey Nation.

We see the same thing today from modern feminists. For example California’s law requiring all employers to provide contraceptive covereage and their refusal to make exceptions for the Catholic Church. Or states,m and now countries, which force adoption agencies to place children with sexual deviants who suffer from homosexuality.

 

[lak611]

This is along the lines of what I’m talking about. Men have a duty to serve in the military (when needed) and as a result of that duty they have a right to a say in the government that has the power to declare war.

With duties come rights.

So what is the woman’s duty that is tied to the right to vote?

And don’t be silly. Just because the draft has supposedly been eliminated, don’t think it won’t be started up the minute our military is running out of soldiers.

I would not be surprised in the least that if a new draft is started that it includes women too.

 

[Nancie_Lew]

That was actually one of the sub-plots of the temperance movement. It was anti-Catholic in it’s core. The purpose was to make it illegal to have communion wine. Fortunately, exceptions were made to the laws, over the objections of many including Carey Nation.

We see the same thing today from modern feminists. For example California’s law requiring all employers to provide contraceptive covereage and their refusal to make exceptions for the Catholic Church. Or states,m and now countries, which force adoption agencies to place children with sexual deviants who suffer from homosexuality.

One of the reasons the Salvation Army was started was because of male alcoholics. They do not use real wine for communion. How does an alcoholic take communion in your church?

I am not a religious person. I do not condone homosexuality but your attitude toward them seems a little harsh for a Christian.

 

[dessert]

I would not be surprised in the least that if a new draft is started that it includes women too.

Haven’t we come a long way baby. Being satirical!
I hope it is not ever started, it is sad as all the people getting hurt in the war.
My granddaughter has signed up for the Army reserves. I’m worried about her. Dessert

 

[Nancie_Lew]

One good think about the feminist movement is that I can now golf any day of the week at our local park. When I was in high school females were only allowed to golf there once (Tuesdays) a week.

 

[Nancie_Lew]

There was a time when I believed that any man who got a woman pregnant out of wedlock had a responsibility to provide financially for that child. I am not so sure anymore about that because women control reproduction. They have more birth control options (like the pill) to use than men do. I am always amazed how women manipulate men by deliberately getting pregnant.

 

[MariaG]

This is along the lines of what I’m talking about. Men have a duty to serve in the military (when needed) and as a result of that duty they have a right to a say in the government that has the power to declare war.

With duties come rights.

So what is the woman’s duty that is tied to the right to vote?

And don’t be silly. Just because the draft has supposedly been eliminated, don’t think it won’t be started up the minute our military is running out of soldiers.

I would not be surprised in the least that if a new draft is started that it includes women too.

Me either. Nor do I think it is okay to deny women the right to vote based on what the government MIGHT or might not reenact.

IF one wants to say that IF you want the right to vote, you have to serve in the military, that would be fine as long as you don’t hold it against women that currently, they are not allowed to do as many jobs in the military even though some desire to do so.

There are many women who are willing to stand up and fight for the freedom of our country. Many who are willing to do much more than they currently are allowed to.

 

[mdgspencer]

This is just to answer the question below. Actually many Catholics simply take the host without taking the wine when they go to communion. I do myself (though I don’t think drinking is wrong).

One of the reasons the Salvation Army was started was because of male alcoholics. They do not use real wine for communion. How does an alcoholic take communion in your church?

 

[Nancie_Lew]

Respectfully, I do not agree that the temperance movement was a good thing. There is nothing intrinsicly evil in alcohol.

Although, I do wonder…Were Catholics allowed wine in Mass to freely practice our religion as per separation of Church and state or did they have to “go underground” too?

Since this thread is about feminism give me a few good reasons why any woman would want to be a Christian? I read the Bible once and it is so blatantly sexist. Christianity just doesn’t appeal to me. There just has to be a better religion. I think I will look into Wicca. Wicca seems more woman friendly.

 

[MariaG]

Since this thread is about feminism give me a few good reasons why any woman would want to be a Christian? I read the Bible once and it is so blatantly sexist. Christianity just doesn’t appeal to me. There just has to be a better religion. I think I will look into Wicca. Wicca seems more woman friendly.

I think that is outside the scope of this thread.

Would you like to start (or have me start?) a new thread on whether or not Christianity is sexist?

I do think it would be better from you since I would need you to clarify and be more specific as to some of the things that you read that struck you as sexist.

Just let me know

 

[dessert]

There was a time when I believed that any man who got a woman pregnant out of wedlock had a responsibility to provide financially for that child. I am not so sure anymore about that because women control reproduction. They have more birth control options (like the pill) to use than men do. I am always amazed how women manipulate men by deliberately getting pregnant.

Catholics don’t believe in BC except for Natural Family Planning .
It is sad that women think so less of themselves that they must resort to getting a man by getting a baby but we know that doesn’t work anywho.
There are young girls where I work that think they can just have a baby and then go look for a good man to be a father image for the child.
Why should you be on the pill and give it away anyways, as women don’t ask for anything back not even respect.
Don’t feel to sorry for the man as no one made him to take off his pants. A man does still have that responsibility. Don’t you think? It takes two to make one. Dessert

 

[distracted]

I think that in some ways now fminism is throwing things out of balance. Feminists call for a greater role for women in the Church, even for women priests, but few wonder–where are the men? Mostly women go to mass. But this is not being faced, showing a skewing of outlook. Similarly, men are no longer so interested in education, including high school and college, makng an imbalance of females in our schools. This situation seems to result from the feminization of education, so that the needs of men are not being met. Furthermore, several years ago I was on several Catholic matchmaking web sites (until I found my wife). I was surprised to see what most of the women want–the want to go out to dinner, to dances, etc. But for the most part didn’t offer much as wife. I did find a woman who says she loves to cook, is traditional, and has many other traits that perhaps are not very common among women. At least the other women didn’t say they had such interests.
These things, that involve huge areas of American life, show that feminism has had a pervasive influence on society. Some of the things it has done are good, such as equal pay with men, but often it has a very unfortunate effect.

I’m a woman who totally agress (with most of what you say, if not all). I’ve been thinking of joining one of those match-making things… but i would be one of the ones who is very traditional. Maybe most traditional women don’t want to go to such sites on the internet… Maybe most of them think/feel they can find someone in a more conventional way. I used 2 think that. I don’t know what 2 think anymore, though… I don’t even know if i want to be married… I hate to sound so “feminist” or anti-male, but i feel all the good ones are taken… Most ofthe “marrying” kind are in fact, married… otherwise they wouldn’t be called that…
Anyway, i am only a feminist in some ways… I believe woman’s highest calling is motherhood/being a wife… In tht sense, i may not sound like a feminist at all. But i believe i (and others like me) are the true feminists…
God bless…

 

[mdgspencer]

This is off the topic, but I thought I would reply to this post. I don’t think all the good men are taken. If you go on these matchmaking sites, you should come right out and say that you like cooking, would like to raise children, would do house work and would prefer to be a housewife if that is the case. Some men, I believe would find this very appealing, perhaps particularly the kind of loyal Catholic you are looking for. At least this could be worth a try. My present wife lived thousands of miles away and I was happy to go and see her.

I’m a woman who totally agress (with most of what you say, if not all). I’ve been thinking of joining one of those match-making things… but i would be one of the ones who is very traditional. Maybe most traditional women don’t want to go to such sites on the internet… Maybe most of them think/feel they can find someone in a more conventional way. I used 2 think that. I don’t know what 2 think anymore, though… I don’t even know if i want to be married… I hate to sound so “feminist” or anti-male, but i feel all the good ones are taken… Most ofthe “marrying” kind are in fact, married… otherwise they wouldn’t be called that…
Anyway, i am only a feminist in some ways… I believe woman’s highest calling is motherhood/being a wife… In tht sense, i may not sound like a feminist at all. But i believe i (and others like me) are the true feminists…
God bless…

 

[distracted]

Since this thread is about feminism give me a few good reasons why any woman would want to be a Christian? I read the Bible once and it is so blatantly sexist. Christianity just doesn’t appeal to me. There just has to be a better religion. I think I will look into Wicca. Wicca seems more woman friendly.

What the heck are you talking about? Christianity (true Christianity) is far from sexist. Jesus, i believe, had a special love for women…
The CAtholic Church honors Mary, whereas most Protestant religions don’t. Some people even accuse us Catholics of worshipping her…
Anyway, am running out of time… but the bottom line is, Jesus is either our savior or he’s not. If you don’t think you need a savior, i say you don’t know yourself very well and are in denial… If you admit u need a savior, you couldn’t ask for a better onethan Jesus… If you don’t know him, its probably because you have never spent much time with him (His Presence is in the Catholic Church 24/7)…
I will pray for you. i used to be without Jesus myself… I know what its like… No one should have to live life without a perfect Best Friend, who loves u uncondtionally.
God bless…

 

[distracted]

This is just to answer the question below. Actually many Catholics simply take the host without taking the wine when they go to communion. I do myself (though I don’t think drinking is wrong).
Nancie Lew;1911470:

One of the reasons the Salvation Army was started was because of male alcoholics. They do not use real wine for communion. How does an alcoholic take communion in your church?

an alcoholic takes only the Consecrated Bread…

 

[dessert]

I think that is outside the scope of this thread.

Would you like to start (or have me start?) a new thread on whether or not Christianity is sexist?

I do think it would be better from you since I would need you to clarify and be more specific as to some of the things that you read that struck you as sexist.

Just let me know

Yes please Maria start one on Christianity or Catholic Christianity is it sexist. But where would you put it let us know. thanks warning may get loud! Dessert

 

[MariaG]

Yes please Maria start one on Christianity or Catholic Christianity is it sexist. But where would you put it let us know. thanks warning may get loud! Dessert

Okay, started here *Christianity, is it sexist? *in the social justice subforum of Apologetics

 

[dwc]

And don’t be silly. Just because the draft has supposedly been eliminated, don’t think it won’t be started up the minute our military is running out of soldiers.

And don’t you be silly and think for a minute that if the draft starts again it won’t include women.

To answer the OP’s question-- what good can come from feminism – women have a more equal opportunity to have education and jobs. How does this benefit families and society? Here are just a few examples from my own little corner of the universe:

1. My dad lost his job with 6 minor children. My mom was able to get a job which carried health insurance and we didn’t have to sell our house and go on public aid.
2. My sister’s husband had a psychotic break and took her 3 year old and 4 month old down to the river to “baptise.” Fortunately, someone called the police and the baptism wasn’t lethal. My sister had to separate for the safety of her children, and because of feminism, she was working and carried health insurance and was able to support herself and her children.
3. My friend’s 38 year old husband dropped dead shoveling snow, leaving her with 4 children, the youngest being 8 weeks old. Because she was educated as a nurse and worked, she has been able to provide for her family for the past 8 years, including sending all of her children to Catholic grade and high schools. Her husband died before he was fully vested in his pension, so she receives very little assistance outside her salary.
4. My sister in law’s husband has been diagnosed with schizophrenia. He is unable to work and has had to be psychiatrically hospitalized several times. Thanks to her feminism, she never thought she shouldn’t be educated or work. Thus, she is able to support the family and carry health insurance which pays for his care.

I’ve been told by a few men on these forums that it would be better for the families involved to go on aid than to have the women working and supporting the families and thereby harming the men’s self-image . That’s just bizarre – “please, everyone must suffer greatly in order to protect my oh so delicate self-image”. Feminism, in its true and basic form, allows women to develop their God given talents and abilities and use them.

It’s not difficult or subtle or tricky. If someone of average intelligence is interested in understanding the difference between that and the radical, pro-abortion version, it’s easy to get it. If someone has no intention of even trying to understand, they won’t.