Feminism--what's your opinion?

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jimmy:
Women are not the only ones to blame. Men are to blame too, but the feminist movement made it easier for men to be pigs.
Yes it did!:mad: But what chaps my hide is that the radical feminists make it mandantory that it stays that way!:mad: I did not hear a peep out of them when Terri Schiavo was being executed in Florida:tsktsk: All the evil men talks and women aren’t the property of men and planned parenthood sends thankyou notes to those who voted against Terri:banghead: :banghead: Boy they really care about women,huh:mad: BAH!
 
My husband is a much more involved, hands on dad because of this. If I didn’t work, he’d probably be very happy to let me assume all of these traditional roles
Maybe he’d be happier the other way, but you never know.
This way he is a more involved father - closer to the kids than he would have been otherwise.
Alot of guys don’t understand what they’re missing until they experience it first…
 
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Lorarose:
I agree there is a properly ordered feminism.
I don’t think “feminism” should automatically be connected to abortion - as the link I provided shows, the earliest feminists were very pro-life and responsible for making abortion illegal in the first place (how’s that for ironic?)

I DON’T think it is the job of women to keep men in line - to “civilize” them.
I have seen this argued elsewhere, and I reject it.
I think abortion is a product of the feminist movement though. There were some very liberal feminists even in the movement in the 20’s.

Not that I think it is the job of women to keep men in line, but that is how it was. Women “freeing” themselves sexually was also the downfall of men. I think men should keep themselves in line.
We are all responsible for our own decisions - we should not lay this responsiblity on others.
Men are quite capable of being excellent christians and excellent husbands/fathers without having to be civilized by a woman.
He is capable of seeking this on his own initiative.
I agree, men are completely to blame for their own actions. They can beat any temptation that is presented. No arguement from me. If I did not believe this, I don’t know if I would be Christian.
So when men get angry at feminists for trying to be just like men…aren’t they insulting themselves?
If they are angry the feminists are not placing their spouse and children first - just like men- what does that say about the men?
Maybe they are. I try not to be a pig type of person. The false feminists are becoming pigs like most men. So, I wouldn’t say I am insulting myself. It may be an insult to the average man.

I think that men have a responsibility to be true men, instead of pigs. Christ is the ideal for a man. He shows all the virtues to us. What a real man is, is in reference to Him.

Women have always been truer to themselves than men have. They are starting to lose themselves though.
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Yes it did!:mad: But what chaps my hide is that the radical feminists make it mandantory that it stays that way!:mad: I did not hear a peep out of them when Terri Schiavo was being executed in Florida:tsktsk: All the evil men talks and women aren’t the property of men and planned parenthood sends thankyou notes to those who voted against Terri:banghead: :banghead: Boy they really care about women,huh:mad: BAH!
It furthers their agenda. If euthenasia is passed, then you might as well forget about abortion because the window for it being overturned is passed. They will continue until it is full euthanasia. They don’t care about anyone but their agenda. There not worried about women.
 
I think that men have a responsibility to be true men, instead of pigs. Christ is the ideal for a man. He shows all the virtues to us. What a real man is, is in reference to Him.
As the mother of sons and daughters - I fully agree 😃

I want all my children to understand they cannot blame others for their choices.
In this day and age my sons will have to understand that THEY could be the ones pressured by the girls!

I want them to learn they are in complete control of themselves despite what the world tries to tell them.
 
It furthers their agenda. If euthenasia is passed, then you might as well forget about abortion because the window for it being overturned is passed. They will continue until it is full euthanasia. They don’t care about anyone but their agenda. There not worried about women
And what’s ironic - is these “rights” women think they want will always come back to bite them.
Look at China - all the dead little girls. The ones left to live are being adopted out of the country or being raised in orphanages.

When we see the Chinese men come of age - women will be sexually exploited because they will be so rare.
 
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dwc:
If they are angry the feminists are not placing their spouse and children first - just like men- what does that say about the men?/QUOTE]

Good point, lorarose. I think feminism in some ways demands more out of men. Because I work (half time) out of the home, my husband has to assume some responsibilities for our home and children that his father and my dad never did. On my worknights dh picks the kids up from school, makes dinner, does the homework. This carries over into the nights when we’re both home – we do all of these things together. My husband is a much more involved, hands on dad because of this. If I didn’t work, he’d probably be very happy to let me assume all of these traditional roles.
I agree, true feminism demands more from men, but radical feminism does the exact opposite. It demands nothing of men and it makes men worse. True feminism would make men more of men I would say.
 
The hardest part I have is that some many radical feminists accept the ideas of individuals like Margaret Sanger and realize the road such ideas lead to.

And here’s a second one, as I am in college, I try to be a gentlemanal though I fail. I met a couple dozen ladies who went on and on about how hard it was to find good guys, and I listened and tried to help if I could. They would go on and on guy bashing :o I know a lot of young women have been hurt and often parents are suspicious of young guys, but I have experienced a few times where I was looked at as a guy period. I fault the men who hurt them, but they often don’t see the good guys who try to listen, give up on finding one or settle for a mediocre or poor one. (I am speaking on my peer group, not all even within the age group).

But back on this thread directly, radical SECULAR feminism is dangerous. True Christian feminism is not. Men and Women are created in the image and likeness of God. Stressing the equality of the soul before God is needed, but to say that in physiologically capacities are equal is false. Men don’t like women trying to be men, and women don’t like men trying to be women. Both need to realize their individual gifts and garner them for the vocation God calls one to. Thank you Lorarose for the website as I had thought of them. Thanks and God Bless.
 
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jimmy:
I think abortion is a product of the feminist movement though. There were some very liberal feminists even in the movement in the 20’s.
No, abortion is a distortion of the feminist movement. Susan B. Anthony and the other original feminists who were pushing for women’s right to vote were adamantly against abortion. They saw it as the ultimate abuse to a women’s body. Their view, from what I recall, was very consistent with Humanae Vitae. Even as late as the 60’s many feminists were still against abortion, even NOW was, I believe. The pro abortion movement hijacked the feminist movement, imo.

amy
 
As far as I am concerned, “true” feminism and “false” feminism is just the description of extremeness of this very flawed concept. I believed in the whole “true” feminism thing until this last Sunday. If you want details, feel free to ask.

My personal opinion now, is that feminism is going to eventually will be considered or lead to a heresy that will go down in Church history like Aryanism.

In all forms, it is hurting the Church.
 
And somewhere along the way it was decided that men were so stupid. In so many TV shows the husband is this total bumbling idiot and his wise, long suffering wife who puts up with him has to help him out of the mess he gets into. It’s the same with commericals - the husband is made to look so stupid & the wise wife comes to make the decision - solve the problem. In the end the wise wife sets him straight & he goes back to watching football. I don’t know any men like this… why are they always portrayed this way?
 
carol marie:
And somewhere along the way it was decided that men were so stupid. In so many TV shows the husband is this total bumbling idiot and his wise, long suffering wife who puts up with him has to help him out of the mess he gets into. It’s the same with commericals - the husband is made to look so stupid & the wise wife comes to make the decision - solve the problem. In the end the wise wife sets him straight & he goes back to watching football. I don’t know any men like this… why are they always portrayed this way?
You know, I noticed this too.
 
Wow! I posted last night and figured there might be at the most, 5 responses this morning. I had no idea there would be such a flood of discussion!

Anyway, I have never considered myself a feminist because the contact I had with women who identified themselves as such were completely unbalanced in their veiws. They were anti-God, non-religious and actually made me at times feel embarassed to be a woman.

There were times I almost felt I had to apologize for being female.

I have been working in male-dominated fields for a long time and as such, I have experienced discrimination in the form of being ostracized because I was seen as weaker, etc.

For example, when I was at skills training for Law Enforcement, when we got to the portion of the class where we had to strategize and carry out a raid, most of the guys in the class refused to work with us. I ended up leading a group containing the only 2 guys who saw us and respected us in our capacity to do the same job.

Of course we went in and kicked butt and completely blew the other teams out of the water (because women have a natural ability to strategize) 🙂 During the process because of my own mistake I got shot with a .9 mm paint bullet, but it stung more to have so many people we considered to be friends turn their backs on us without realizing that physical strength isn’t everything.

My roommate up there was an avid radical feminist and when we were nearing the end of our skills program we all had to fill out surveys. One afternoon I was in the hallway and the program head pulled me aside. Since that was usually a bad sign, I was shaking in the knees thinking I had really messed something up!

Rather, he asked me how I felt women were treated in the skills program. He wanted an honest answer–and I knew he was asking becasue I knew what my female feminist friends had written on their surveys.

So I was honest. I told him that there was more bias on the side of the students than the instructors. I told him that some of the visiting male instructors had refused to look at the women in the class but that I didn’t care: they were retired and I would never have to work with them. And if I had to work with someone like them then so be it…they could not take our presence on the job away. Furthermore, whether they wanted to teach women or not, we were still benefitting from the knowledge they had gained from years on the job. And maybe something those chauvenist instructors had taught would one day come to mind and cause one or more of the women in the class to make a decision that could potentially save thousands of lives.

Put into that perspective, I could deal with some man not looking me in the eye while he taught the class.

I was honest and told Grant that I had learned a lot from every instructor and that as a woman, I felt prepared to go out and do the job.


Women are women and we do deserve respect in the workplace, and to earn the same money, qualify for the same benefits, etc. But we also deserve to be respected for what and who we are…women as God created us. So what if we sometimes have mood swings or are somewhat emotional? That can often be controlled. Hormones don’t cause us to shoot guns uncontrollably or make bad decisions. We have intellect and the ability to see through our emotions to react according to whatever situation we are cast into.

My experience with feminism for the most part has really beeen radical feminism and I’ve found it to be demeaning and I’ve often been made to feel that my feminity is a weakness.

I agree with the feminism taught to us by the Ark of the Covenant and now I embrace that and hope that we can help the world to see that this is the true feminist perspective.

Sorry I wrote a book. :o
 
The most hateful thing, in the eyes of the (distorted) kind of feminism most of us despise, is the philosophy of selflessness that parenting requires. The feminism movement is all about selfishness, dressed up as a sincere pursuit of equal rights.

That is why they (NOW and the other radicals) hated Promisekeepers. That group represented the kind of self-abnegation that parenting requires. Promisekeepers was about, “What can we do to be better?” Radical feminism is about, “What can we get for ourselves?”
Peace
John
 
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IsaacSheen:
My personal opinion now, is that feminism is going to eventually will be considered or lead to a heresy that will go down in Church history like Aryanism.

In all forms, it is hurting the Church.
Wasn’t Jesus Christ the “ideal feminist”?

He brought women into Church by encouraging them to pray along side of men. He told Martha and Mary that Mary had chosen the better path, allowing women to ponder God’s Word. He shamed judgmental men, who would stone women guilty of adultery, by pointing to their own sinful nature. When the Sadducees asked Jesus about resurrection He had this to say, “…but those who are deemed worthy to attain to the coming age and to the resurrection of the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage…for they are like the angels; and they are the children of God because they are the ones who will rise.” Luke 20:35-36 To me this says there is no difference between the sexes in heaven, only harmony.

He taught us to pray, “Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.” How does that speak to your heart regarding how men and women should correspond with each other?

Did feminism begin with Jesus? Does it have an ideal beginning? Is it a journey, which seeks God’s justice on earth, as it is in heaven? Did feminism exist before the fall of mankind or did man have authority over woman before the fall? Did it begin because women were oppressed to such a degree that they got “fed up” and began to fight against oppression? Has it gone too far the wrong direction? Yes!!! Will it eventually die away or will equilibrium (equality between the sexes) be reached one day, in God’s will and time?

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God” Matthew 5:9
 
Wow, have my views on feminism changed over the years! I grew up in a Matriarchal family, where my maternal Grandmother ran a corporation and raised 7 children. I’m not young, so this was in the time before real ladies even drove, so this was quite the deal to have her take over her fathers company. But the only son, heir to the position died a young man, and Great Grandpa had 3 daughters remaining. Grace, being a strong willed young thing stepped up, besides, Grandpa had never been much of a career man and they had young mouths to feed.

So this is the culture into which I was born. That and the fact that I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s, an era where the ideas of Male and Female relations were being turned on their ear. So, I bought into the lie, hook line and sinker. I finished my degree in BioChem, and began working in SW, a male dominated field. I quickly progressed up the foodchain, and met my husband.

I didn’t even stop to wonder if it was me or my career that he so supported, for to me, the two were synomymous. Imagine my surprise when our daughter came, and I felt an unanticipated need to stay home and be a part of her life. Imagine my surprise when I learned that my husband was not so happy with this decision. It’s a bed I made and a situation I have had to deal with as a result.

To any young women out there, do not buy into the lie of feminism. Follow Mary, the true feminist, who finds time to contemplate Christ, who is worthy of respect regardless of the situation she finds herself in or with whom she interacts.

God Bless,

CARose
 
…ok, i give you my opinion… wait a minute, my wife tells me it’s time to walk Silver…
 
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Lorarose:
But that’s the point dear.
Men pass the responsibility off onto the woman.
Adam did it in the garden, and guys are still doing it.

It’s like saying…men have been dirty rotten scoundrels for eons - but now that the women want to be dirty rotten scoundrels, men are going to point the finger at the women for the downfall of civilization…
HUH??? :confused:
Well, my 22 year old niece says “All men are scum.” But she makes exceptions for immediate family and her boyfriend. I often think that men live up to (or down to) what women expect of them. But it is true that men are and must be responsible for their own conduct.

Since men don’t get pregnant, women have historically been more motivated than men to constrain sex to marriage. Shotgun marriages used to exercise some deterrent effect on male behavior, but that institution has fallen out of favor. Contraception and abortion lessened the deterrent effect on women.
 
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