Feminisms effect on women

[neat62]

Today’s women don’t want equality…they want superiority!

Once upon a time a woman was proud to call herself a mom and loving wife and men exhibited character and courage, going out each day to their jobs, working hard to care and provide for their families.

Today, however, we see the complete feminization of men. Men are “in touch” with their feelings and half the time can’t decide what it is they are feeling at all. While women have become more and more like men, asserting themselves and proud to do so, in all aspects of life, except for one, motherhood!

Women somehow have been made to feel that they need to seek “superiority” over man, instead of understanding that men and women are different, simply because we were created that way.

Today’s men are afraid of commitment and women don’t want it.

Men don’t know whether to hold open the door or allow the woman to hold it open for them. We have sent them so many mixed messages over the past 40 years, who can blame them? We tell them we want them to treat us with respect and love, but at the same time, we demand they treat us as if we were just “one of the guys.”

Women expect be treated as equals and to hold high places in business, politics and even the military, but at the same time, they expect “special treatment” through programs like Affirmative Action simply because they are “women” and after all, they have “emotions.”

Is it any wonder that men are so confused today? They don’t know if they want to marry us women or if they should stick with their own gender, because women have been telling them for so long that we are “just like them” in every way.

Women want to go out and have sex without regard to consequence only to cry when they find themselves pregnant or with an STD that some “evil” male did this to me. As if they had no choice in the matter at all. They think nothing of murdering their own through abortion and then want to be thought of as compassionate, tolerant and loving women.

They want to be regarded as intellectuals but then tell us that they are incapable of making rational decisions or controlling themselves when it comes to their sexual desires.

They want to throw “it’s MY body” in the face of the man when they find themselves pregnant and looking to abort, but demand payment and support when they choose to give birth, despite what the father’s wishes may be.

Again, they don’t want equality…they want to be deemed superior to men…yet they fail to realize that in the greatest way they are “superior,” - simply because they are the one’s who were given the blessed gift of delivering new life…something NO MAN will ever be able to do!

Oh and for the record…I am a single woman!

Blood, Toil, Tears and Sweat

 

[Kaninchen]

Once upon a time a woman was . . . . . .

Until she came to grandmother’s house and . . . .

Until her son sold the cow and bought some beans . . . .

 

[urban-hermit]

Oh, breaking down your paradigms would be beyond my abilities and certainly beyond my ability to care.

If you don’t care, why are you here?

Addressing specific examples can add to the conversation and clarify communication. Using an unnecessarily Insulting tone just makes you look like your argument can’t stand on its own.

 

[Kaninchen]

If you don’t care, why are you here?

Please explain how an acknowledgment that one would be unable to change the mind of somebody with a diametrically opposite set of ways of seeing the world means that one doesn’t ‘care’ about the topic as opposed to care about the frame of mind of an individual?

Addressing specific examples can add to the conversation and clarify communication.

Rather depends on the nature of the examples and the people involved as your ‘can’ implies.

Using an unnecessarily Insulting tone just makes you look like your argument can’t stand on its own.

Something that one tends to notice in one’s opponents and rarely in one’s friends, of course.

 

[Kaninchen]

If you don’t care, why are you here?

Please explain how an acknowledgment that one would be unable to change the mind of somebody with a diametrically opposite set of ways of seeing the world means that one doesn’t ‘care’ about the topic as opposed to care about the frame of mind of an individual?

Addressing specific examples can add to the conversation and clarify communication.

Rather depends on the nature of the examples and the people involved as your ‘can’ implies.

Using an unnecessarily Insulting tone just makes you look like your argument can’t stand on its own.

Something that one tends to notice in one’s opponents and rarely in oneself or one’s friends, of course.

 

[blessedtoo]

It’s called ‘reading’ and here’s the secret about doing it - what you do is: (i) read what people have written about a subject; (ii) read what they currently are writing about a subject.

What an irrelevant statement! Technological and economic development don’t ‘care’ about what we think about them - they just ‘are’. Old economic and associated social relationships didn’t disappear because people got together and thought it would be a nice thing to do, they disappeared because they were no longer viable.

Well, I wasn’t around at the time but, you know, there are things about your use of language that just don’t read right for somebody who was supposedly part of it.

Really? Well, now you know.

Oh, breaking down your paradigms would be beyond my abilities and certainly beyond my ability to care.

Picture me surprised.

I honestly don’t know what point your are trying to make. The topic of the thread is Feminism’s effect on Women. It’s not economics, or industrialization or technology. If you can provide some correlation between those issues and feminism, it might be interesting. But since it is beyond your ability to care, I shall move along.

I had high hopes that the conversation could remain civilized. Oh well…

 

[blessedtoo]

Today’s women don’t want equality…they want superiority!

Once upon a time a woman was proud to call herself a mom and loving wife and men exhibited character and courage, going out each day to their jobs, working hard to care and provide for their families.

Today, however, we see the complete feminization of men. Men are “in touch” with their feelings and half the time can’t decide what it is they are feeling at all. While women have become more and more like men, asserting themselves and proud to do so, in all aspects of life, except for one, motherhood!

Women somehow have been made to feel that they need to seek “superiority” over man, instead of understanding that men and women are different, simply because we were created that way.

Today’s men are afraid of commitment and women don’t want it.

Men don’t know whether to hold open the door or allow the woman to hold it open for them. We have sent them so many mixed messages over the past 40 years, who can blame them? We tell them we want them to treat us with respect and love, but at the same time, we demand they treat us as if we were just “one of the guys.”

Women expect be treated as equals and to hold high places in business, politics and even the military, but at the same time, they expect “special treatment” through programs like Affirmative Action simply because they are “women” and after all, they have “emotions.”

Is it any wonder that men are so confused today? They don’t know if they want to marry us women or if they should stick with their own gender, because women have been telling them for so long that we are “just like them” in every way.

Women want to go out and have sex without regard to consequence only to cry when they find themselves pregnant or with an STD that some “evil” male did this to me. As if they had no choice in the matter at all. They think nothing of murdering their own through abortion and then want to be thought of as compassionate, tolerant and loving women.

They want to be regarded as intellectuals but then tell us that they are incapable of making rational decisions or controlling themselves when it comes to their sexual desires.

They want to throw “it’s MY body” in the face of the man when they find themselves pregnant and looking to abort, but demand payment and support when they choose to give birth, despite what the father’s wishes may be.

Again, they don’t want equality…they want to be deemed superior to men…yet they fail to realize that in the greatest way they are “superior,” - simply because they are the one’s who were given the blessed gift of delivering new life…something NO MAN will ever be able to do!

Oh and for the record…I am a single woman!

Blood, Toil, Tears and Sweat

Outstanding post! You might be interested in the book I MEANT to link in my first post.
amazon.com/Women-Who-Make-World-Worse/dp/1595230092

 

[Kaninchen]

I honestly don’t know what point your are trying to make. The topic of the thread is Feminism’s effect on Women. It’s not economics, or industrialization or technology. If you can provide some correlation between those issues and feminism, it might be interesting. But since it is beyond your ability to care, I shall move along.

Rather difficult to care when people don’t read what one has written.

For anybody else interested, what I’ve been arguing is that most changes over the past decades have had nothing whatsoever to do with feminism - if anything, feminism has been just one of many responses to change - and that those changes, generated by rapid technological and economic development are not ‘willed’, they’re not the conscious products of human activity - more often than not they’re the unintended consequences of millions of actions.

On the other hand, the ultra Right have found, in feminism, a convenient target for their fears and anger - bordering on incoherent rage at times.

So, while there may be sensible things one could criticize feminism for, most things that feminism is criticized for have never been, vaguely, within its power to change, never mind control.

 

[Dale_M]

Dale_M:

I know of abortion, but could you list some more of these severe moral outrages?

Contraception, availability of pornography, cohabitation, and such.

I don’t mean to drag you into a discussion you don’t want, but would you be willing to go into more detail?

I can see the cohabitation, but aren’t men just as responsible?

In the case of pornography, this seems driven by men. I don’t understand why feminism is to blame.

Contraception, I think, is an age-old desire. Granted “The Pill” came near the start of modern feminism, but I think this is a coincidence.

 

[Kaninchen]

I don’t mean to drag you into a discussion you don’t want, but would you be willing to go into more detail?

I can see the cohabitation, but aren’t men just as responsible?

In the case of pornography, this seems driven by men. I don’t understand why feminism is to blame.

Contraception, I think, is an age-old desire. Granted “The Pill” came near the start of modern feminism, but I think this is a coincidence.

Well said, except that I’d argue that it was things like ‘the pill’ and the liberation that came with widespread availability of ‘domestic’ goods (washing machines, refrigerators, vacuum cleaners) that largely created the circumstances for the modern feminist debate to really begin.

 

[Kaninchen]

I don’t mean to drag you into a discussion you don’t want, but would you be willing to go into more detail?

I can see the cohabitation, but aren’t men just as responsible?

In the case of pornography, this seems driven by men. I don’t understand why feminism is to blame.

Contraception, I think, is an age-old desire. Granted “The Pill” came near the start of modern feminism, but I think this is a coincidence.

Well said, except that I’d argue that it was things like ‘the pill’ and the liberation that came with widespread availability of ‘domestic’ goods (washing machines, refrigerators, vacuum cleaners) that largely created the circumstances for the modern feminist debate to really begin.

 

[Calliso]

It is usually the well-to-do who have the time and money to spend their time on causes. That does not mean that the women’s movement has not helped mostly women who were working or poor. They have assured that colleges and universities now use the same standards in admitting men and women. They insure that equal numbers have access to professional schools. I and tens of millions of women have them to thank for where we are today.And I dare say that most members of NOW are not elite women, but common everyday middle class and working class women and poor women. The group probably most highly underrepresented are the rich. They have no need for it.

If they meant to free women to be educated and to make money sufficient to support themselves and not have to be victimized in abusive relationships then you are right. More to the point it enabled young women to not have to settle for a miserable marriage but to support themselves as singles until such time as a good man came along they could really build a life with. Women no longer have to settle in order to survive.

You make statements with no proof. I would like to see where there is a corrolation that women are treated worse by men today then they were 50 years ago. Your refer to anecdotal remarks that a small segment of men considered women pure and untoucheable. This is pure fantasy. Do you really think women were that much more chaste or men were 50 years ago? Statistics say otherwise.

Now please show the studies that place all these numbers at the doorstep of the Women’s movement. You can’t dear, just run a bunch of numbers and then assign them a cause because you think they relate. Prove it.

What exactly is the driving force and what is their "real " agenda?

Exactly the higher divorce rate keeps being brought up. But people have to realize that in the past often women had little choice but to stay in bad relationships. Especially if they had children. I mean it is one thing to try to support yourself it is another to have the means to support yourself and several other people by your yourself.

Also you are right women used to have to settle in order to survive. Marriage in many cases was not so much about a loving partnership as it was about ensuring the woman survived and had children. Not to mention often times political reasons.

Any way great posts in this thread!

 

[neat62]

Outstanding post! You might be interested in the book I MEANT to link in my first post.
amazon.com/Women-Who-Make-World-Worse/dp/1595230092

Thank you!! =) I’ll take a look at the book…I get so tired of people trying to defend feminism…in my opinion, its been one of the biggest destroyers of society, confusing both men and women!

 

[Filius99993]

Contraception, I think, is an age-old desire. Granted “The Pill” came near the start of modern feminism, but I think this is a coincidence.

Without the Pill, we wouldn’t have pornography as abundant as it is today… think about it. I don’t really want to go into great detail, but people aren’t gonna have sex if they don’t want to deal with the consequences. Barrier methods have a 12%+ failure rate, so…

 

[Swan]

Today’s women don’t want equality…they want superiority!

Once upon a time a woman was proud to call herself a mom and loving wife and men exhibited character and courage, going out each day to their jobs, working hard to care and provide for their families.

Today, however, we see the complete feminization of men. Men are “in touch” with their feelings and half the time can’t decide what it is they are feeling at all. While women have become more and more like men, asserting themselves and proud to do so, in all aspects of life, except for one, motherhood!

Women somehow have been made to feel that they need to seek “superiority” over man, instead of understanding that men and women are different, simply because we were created that way.

Today’s men are afraid of commitment and women don’t want it.

Men don’t know whether to hold open the door or allow the woman to hold it open for them. We have sent them so many mixed messages over the past 40 years, who can blame them? We tell them we want them to treat us with respect and love, but at the same time, we demand they treat us as if we were just “one of the guys.”

Women expect be treated as equals and to hold high places in business, politics and even the military, but at the same time, they expect “special treatment” through programs like Affirmative Action simply because they are “women” and after all, they have “emotions.”

Is it any wonder that men are so confused today? They don’t know if they want to marry us women or if they should stick with their own gender, because women have been telling them for so long that we are “just like them” in every way.

Women want to go out and have sex without regard to consequence only to cry when they find themselves pregnant or with an STD that some “evil” male did this to me. As if they had no choice in the matter at all. They think nothing of murdering their own through abortion and then want to be thought of as compassionate, tolerant and loving women.

They want to be regarded as intellectuals but then tell us that they are incapable of making rational decisions or controlling themselves when it comes to their sexual desires.

They want to throw “it’s MY body” in the face of the man when they find themselves pregnant and looking to abort, but demand payment and support when they choose to give birth, despite what the father’s wishes may be.

Again, they don’t want equality…they want to be deemed superior to men…yet they fail to realize that in the greatest way they are “superior,” - simply because they are the one’s who were given the blessed gift of delivering new life…something NO MAN will ever be able to do!

Oh and for the record…I am a single woman!

Blood, Toil, Tears and Sweat

I think you might be stereotyping here bit time. Do you watch a lot of TV? Seriously, I don’t know any women who fit into your mold. For myself, I don’t want superiority, just eqaulity. And I have to say, I’ve sure met a lot of men in my time who automatically assume they are superior. Clearly we haven’t come as far as you seem to think:

http://www.nwlc.org/fairpay/

*Women in the United States are still paid only 77 cents for every dollar earned by men. For women of color, the numbers are even worse - African American women earn 63 cents and Latinas earn 52 cents for every dollar paid to white men.

Equal Pay Day - the point in 2008 when the average woman’s wages finally catch up with what the average man earned in 2007 - will be recognized on Tuesday, April 22. To commemorate Equal Pay Day, the Senate is expected to vote soon on a key bill that would make it easier to ensure justice for employees who have been subject to pay discrimination. The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act would give all employees a better shot at a fair workplace, making it easier to ensure justice for those who have been discriminated against based on sex, race, ethnicity, religion, disability, and age*.

Just because men and women are different doesn’t mean women should be doormats and men grunting brutes. Not all women (or men) want kids. And I like men who have a sensitive side. It’s not like we have to leave the cave early every morning and kill an animal for food. I am an intellectual and have never said anything about not being able to control my sexual desire - I have, however, heard a lot of men say that they can’t control their sexual desire. Nor have I ever blamed a man for any guilt and/or consequences of consensual sexaual activity.

The point of Affirmative Action was to raise up the people who had been traditionally kept down by the white male power structure - just look and see how many leaders are white men, so AA applied to women and people of color.

You do seem terribly angry but I’m not sure why. No one is making you do anything you don’t want, so why don’t you return the favor? If you want to live like it’s 1900 - go right ahead - but leave the rest of us out of your time warp.

 

[strngrnrth]

Today’s women don’t want equality…they want superiority!Some do but not most. I want decent treatment and opportunity.

Once upon a time a woman was proud to call herself a mom and loving wife and men exhibited character and courage, going out each day to their jobs, working hard to care and provide for their families.
And so did most women, but many couldn’t support their families or protect them because a man – not all men, but a man – was taking the money and spending it on fun, coming home and abusing the family. Men who cared often got killed trying to defend family members from such men. The first goal of feminism was and is to protect victims. The first campaigns for women’s rights included appeals to good men to join in and be more effective protectors.
Today, however, we see the complete feminization of men. Men are “in touch” with their feelings and half the time can’t decide what it is they are feeling at all.That’s a contradiction. In touch with your feelings means knowing what you feel. It was men who first decided they needed to get back in touch with their feelings, in reaction to a stone-faced standard invented in the mid-20th Century, which was destroying men. They decided they missed the ancient right of everyone to an emotional, spiritual and aesthetic life. We just supported them. While women have become more and more like men, asserting themselves and proud to do so, in all aspects of life, except for one, motherhood!Does this mean women no longer like being mothers? That’s untrue. Women if anything pay more attention to motherhood than ever, because they can. When most people are free, they mostly do things better.

Women somehow have been made to feel that they need to seek “superiority” over man, instead of understanding that men and women are different, simply because we were created that way.
I don’t know anyone who doesn’t know there are differences or who seeks superiority over anyone.
Today’s men are afraid of commitment and women don’t want it.
Men still propose. Weddings are at least as big a celebration as ever.
Men don’t know whether to hold open the door or allow the woman to hold it open for them. Whoever reaches the door first holds it unless disabled or encumbered. Pregnancy constitutes being encumbered.We have sent them so many mixed messages over the past 40 years, who can blame them? We tell them we want them to treat us with respect and love, but at the same time, we demand they treat us as if we were just "one of the guys."Still waiting for the mixed part.

Women expect be treated as equals and to hold high places in business, politics and even the military, but at the same time, they expect “special treatment” through programs like Affirmative Action simply because they are “women” and after all, they have "emotions."Show me the feminist who argues for Affirmative Action for emotions. We all agree that men have emotions too. It’s sick not to have emotions. We want a fair chance to be hired. Then we want to focus on our jobs.Then we want to be paid commensurate with our performance. Then we want a fair chance to be promoted. That shouldn’t be special treatment. It should be normal treatment.

Is it any wonder that men are so confused today? They don’t know if they want to marry us women or if they should stick with their own gender, because women have been telling them for so long that we are “just like them” in every way. Show me the heterosexual man who has become homosexual because women have persuaded him that we are identical to men. I have enough trouble convincing some men that I’m simply not interested. I can’t imagine how to make them forget entirely that women are not men.

Women want to go out and have sex without regard to consequence only to cry when they find themselves pregnant or with an STD that some “evil” male did this to me. As if they had no choice in the matter at all. They think nothing of murdering their own through abortion and then want to be thought of as compassionate, tolerant and loving women.A majority of women, including many feminists, including the pioneering early feminists, opposed abortion.

They want to be regarded as intellectuals but then tell us that they are incapable of making rational decisions or controlling themselves when it comes to their sexual desires.It’s mostly men who cry incompetence about that. Women are the ones usually held responsible for controlling their own and everyone else’s desiires, while being treated like small baby animals intellectually in every other way.

They want to throw “it’s MY body” in the face of the man when they find themselves pregnant and looking to abort, but demand payment and support when they choose to give birth, despite what the father’s wishes may be.Most women are against abortion. Men have the capacity to remember that sex is a baby-making system and to refrain if they don’t want a baby.

Again, they don’t want equality…they want to be deemed superior to men…yet they fail to realize that in the greatest way they are “superior,” - simply because they are the one’s who were given the blessed gift of delivering new life…something NO MAN will ever be able to do!Not only that, we can read, write, paint, philosophize, invent, manage, build, rescue, and other things too.

Oh and for the record…I am a single woman!

 

[neat62]

I think you might be stereotyping here bit time. Do you watch a lot of TV? Seriously, I don’t know any women who fit into your mold. For myself, I don’t want superiority, just eqaulity. And I have to say, I’ve sure met a lot of men in my time who automatically assume they are superior. Clearly we haven’t come as far as you seem to think:

http://www.nwlc.org/fairpay/

*Women in the United States are still paid only 77 cents for every dollar earned by men. For women of color, the numbers are even worse - African American women earn 63 cents and Latinas earn 52 cents for every dollar paid to white men.

Equal Pay Day - the point in 2008 when the average woman’s wages finally catch up with what the average man earned in 2007 - will be recognized on Tuesday, April 22. To commemorate Equal Pay Day, the Senate is expected to vote soon on a key bill that would make it easier to ensure justice for employees who have been subject to pay discrimination. The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act would give all employees a better shot at a fair workplace, making it easier to ensure justice for those who have been discriminated against based on sex, race, ethnicity, religion, disability, and age*.

Just because men and women are different doesn’t mean women should be doormats and men grunting brutes. Not all women (or men) want kids. And I like men who have a sensitive side. It’s not like we have to leave the cave early every morning and kill an animal for food. I am an intellectual and have never said anything about not being able to control my sexual desire - I have, however, heard a lot of men say that they can’t control their sexual desire. Nor have I ever blamed a man for any guilt and/or consequences of consensual sexaual activity.

The point of Affirmative Action was to raise up the people who had been traditionally kept down by the white male power structure - just look and see how many leaders are white men, so AA applied to women and people of color.

You do seem terribly angry but I’m not sure why. No one is making you do anything you don’t want, so why don’t you return the favor? If you want to live like it’s 1900 - go right ahead - but leave the rest of us out of your time warp.

Actually…what Affirmative Action does is FORCE me, as an employer to look at one’s race, one’s gender…rather than at one’s skills, experience, knowledge and abilities! All it does is perpetuate race and gender preferences!

As for women who want equality…sorry, but its always been around…that’s how women like Susan B. Anthony were able to achieve their goals…NO ONE gave them special treatment because they were women! They worked hard, applied themselves and achieved their own goals…without someone looking at them and saying…“oh…isn’t she sweet, a woman trying to make her way in the “man’s world”…let’s give her special treatment so she can do it!”

As for me and my television habits…I am happy to say that NO, I don’t watch TV, but apparently you do? I have always been far too busy working to achieve my own goals through taking responsibility for all of my OWN actions and Decisions…I don’t LOOK to blame my existence on the “lack” of fairness in the world like so many whinning women do!

Blood, Toil, Tears and Sweat

 

[Swan]

Actually…what Affirmative Action does is FORCE me, as an employer to look at one’s race, one’s gender…rather than at one’s skills, experience, knowledge and abilities! All it does is perpetuate race and gender preferences!

As for women who want equality…sorry, but its always been around…that’s how women like Susan B. Anthony were able to achieve their goals…NO ONE gave them special treatment because they were women! They worked hard, applied themselves and achieved their own goals…without someone looking at them and saying…“oh…isn’t she sweet, a woman trying to make her way in the “man’s world”…let’s give her special treatment so she can do it!”

As for me and my television habits…I am happy to say that NO, I don’t watch TV, but apparently you do? I have always been far too busy working to achieve my own goals through taking responsibility for all of my OWN actions and Decisions…I don’t LOOK to blame my existence on the “lack” of fairness in the world like so many whinning women do!

Blood, Toil, Tears and Sweat

You know, I do a lot of social justice work and I’m just amazed at how often I hear folks blame the victim. Susan B. Anthony fought for and demanded equality - voting rights - nobody handed them to her. She was part of a movement of women who fought against the male dominated status quo. Therefore, I don’t see how she can be much use to your argument.

Acually, I almost never watch TV and when I do it is educational. I read a lot (yes, I’m an intellectual ). I’m not whining but it certainly sounds like you are. You sound very angry and bitter. Perhaps you should look within to find the source of your obvious lack of peace and charity.

 

[Filius99993]

I think, as I’ve said beforehand, that most of you are in agreement, but your ideas of feminism. I think modern feminism has taken a turn for the worst, but the suffrage movements were beneficial to all… Maybe it’s just where you live. I don’t know.

 

[Naztakuan]

I think, as I’ve said beforehand, that most of you are in agreement, but your ideas of feminism. I think modern feminism has taken a turn for the worst, but the suffrage movements were beneficial to all… Maybe it’s just where you live. I don’t know.

It’s my understanding that whomever the original poster is, needed to be more specific as what feminism he was talking about. Ya see, feminism isn’t just a movement that happened in the 60s or the 20s. Feminism is a concept. A concept that existed for a reason. Because things sucked. If oppression of women had not existed, neither would feminism. Just like the Civil rights movement of non-white Americans would not have existed unless there was some sort of history of oppression.
What I find quite amusing, is that this strife between sexes existed in biblical times. If you look at the book of Genesis 16-19 with adam and eve. God outlines that the consequece of the fall was Male subjugation of Women. It was outlined as a punishment not the way things are supposed to be.

Now as for the lopsided statistics you guys like to blame on feminism

Pornography: This has very little to to do with feminism and more to do with technology( no television, no internet, no cameras, no film,no dvds). Human beings have made erotic art for a very long time however they didn’t have the mass production of film and the internet. VCRs weren’t around for most of the 20th century. If you want to blame anything, blame greed and capitalism and the industrial revolution.Remember, oil is what makes audio visual media possible.

Abortion: Also a silly little niavette on the American’s part. When you travel the world, you realize that people do things different. Abortion may not have been legal or acceptable in the United states but You’ll find that the Japanese and the Chinese have been practicing abortion for a long time as a part of a standard medical practice. In Japan and China, illigitimate children have no place. If you are not married, then the father has no obligations. Prostitution was a standared government monitored business. Women were property and in their case, keeping the child was not an option. This still continues today. It has nothing to do with feminism. If a highschool girl gets pregnant she has to have it aborted. I have never heard of teen mothers in their society. These women don’t see abortion as some sort of liberating experience. They see it as a result of a capitalistic competitive society.

Abuse: Now it’s very naive to compare abuse in the early 1900s to the late 1900s. Obviously back then no one cared about what went on behind closed doors at your house. There was none of that calling the cops because your husband beat you or your child calling child services. it simply wasn’t recorded. And it certainly wasn’t addressed in films and literature like it is now. So the statistics are unreliable.

Divorce: The difference in divorce now and divorce then is that women had no choice whether or not to marry. Women got married because they couldn’t work and support themselves. There are still women today who are trapped in marriages with abusive men. Some of which are on this forum. The divorce rate has to do with the ability to live independantly. Marriage back then wasn’t always about love but about finances. But it got to a point where a growing capitalist system is simply not going to support a bunch of able bodied adult women if they do not work.

Cohabitation: This is the only statistic that can actually be somewhat explained by feminism. But it isn’t so much feminism as the ENTIRE 60’s movement which was brought on by war weariness. There are men today that look back at that time as a golden age. They got into the feminist/Hippie movement because it benafitted them sexually.
Now there were what I call feminist fanatics like Val who hated men with a passion(she shot Andy warhol. dunno why:shrug: ). But they by no means speak for all women.