Feminisms effect on women

[leftistdestroye]

Great post! oh and about the sex thing go to the marriagebed.com and read the forums most men WANT their wives to ininiate sex!

And yeah I can;t stand women who fake being weak it is insulting to all those women who fought against the stereotype that women are helpless.

And there is my point! Thank you. Spoken like a true feminist.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Dale_M;3610444]

Oh, I remember that late 1970’s song. youtube.com/watch?v=g95T4kn8HKg
I am sure that the people singing it weren’t interested in girly men, but were looking for manly men.

As I said: “Either way, it seems a bit girley for a man to let another man #$%^ him, no?”

Huh?? Tell us, how many men don’t get married because of feminism? This sounds like an interesting statistic.

I explained how a few posts before this one.

Really? Would you care to explain what are these physical characteristics?

Sure: Am I skinny enough? Am I too fat? Am I busty enough? Am I too busty? Am I too blonde? Am I too brunette? Eating disorders.

Naztakuan was the one who kept bringing up physical characterists when we were discussing behavior, not me. Men in wigs and tights??? Men dressing in costumes? Being manly or “womanly” is a behavior, not nesseccarily a physical characteristic.

On the other side, with all that feminism has acheived, why do all the neuroses still exist? Or, has it been created by feminism? Or was feminism created to deal with these neuroses? Maybe that’s why plastic surgeons are making a killing today! Maybe feminism has told women that their esteem (in their own mind or not) is reason enough to get a divorce, even when infidelity and abuse are not the reasons. That they have the power, economic or not, to just split at will, and they are doing that. They have the power to about 40 million lives and they have the power to wait until the are 39 before they have children. And when they cannot find a guy at that age to give them kids, then they have the power to go to a sperm bank. There were many unintended consequences created by feminism.

They have all the power in society and relationships, and they still have issues??? It’s no wonder that men ran things in the past.

 

[leftistdestroye]

off to Church now, I will reply to the rest when I get back.

 

[Naztakuan]

I don’t think any of the guys here are going to get it. The world has changed at it’s going to stay that way. All the “ain’t it awful” people are probably pretty old and they’ll be dead soon. It’s gotten to a point where people with those mentalities will simply die out. They have no cultural influence on people who aren’t unhappy. Marx say that change is only brought about when there is an intense contension amongst one class versus the superior class. That’s how the Civil rights movement worked.That’s how India became independan and that’s how women got the right to vote. What anti-feminists are insisting is some sort of dramatic and potentially violent overhall of the present system. It would never work because such movements only work when they are freeing people, not restraining them. It was called the womens liberation. So what would the new movement be called? The women’s subjugation? You can’t make that sound nice no matter how you spin it. No one likes to be subjugated even for “their own good”. The American system likes to talk out both sides of its mouth on issues. For example, when men all left for war, SUDDENLY women “could do it too” meaning they could build armaments and war heads and even play baseball. What kind of lying system do we live in that suddenly tells women now that the war is over, you couldn’t actually do any of the things we just told you you could do. Go home.? Apparently noone knows what women are fully capable of. The church is not sexist.Pope John Paul often lauded women who were making a big influence in society. What people are clinging to is their own personal preference which is fine. But to try to impose that on society as a whole is simply not going to work. Women want to be able to take care of themselves even if they aren’t presently in a relationship. Some of seem to think getting married is just EASY PEASY. There WILL be points in your life where you WILL be alone. Learn to deal with it. Get a job, save up for a rainy day. That husband of yours should not be your meal ticket or you may find yourself in a bit of a jam when your husband inconveniently dies three years after you are wed leaving you penniless with a huge mortgage to pay off . So what do you do? You either get a job plus an education, OR you go into super desperate man hunting mode so you can pay all your bills. Let me just reiterate that catching a man will get harder and harder as you age.

Here’s an example. A woman I know has Three young boys. Her husband died not long ago leaving her very little money. So the move to MD into an apartment complex. She homeschools them and She also runs a local homeschool for kids in the apartment complex. But they are so obviously poor. Her fridge and her pantry is virtually empty all the time. The boys do not even have their own room. All four of them sleep together in one bed.
Not to rag on her *now *but perhaps IF she had persued an education and a Job they wouldn’t be hanging onto their lives by a thread. She depended fully on her husband and it got her…not much. No back up plan, no house, and virtually no food. I always worry about what she’s going to do when the boys get to be 12 or 13. They can’t live like that forever. If a woman is gainfully employed, at least she’ll never be hungry or potentially homeless.
That’s why I don’t worry about getting married. If I’m financially empowered, then I’m not going to complain. I would think it ungratefull on my part to focus on the fact that I’m NOT married and be grateful for that fact that I can support myself. That has nothing to do with what GOD thinks, it has to do with what PEOPLE think and I learned to tell the difference awhile back. God is reasonable and kind. People are mean and judgemental. They’re rude and tend to resist any and all change even if it’s good for them. When a teacher of mine says something that is vicious, racist, or cruel and uses God’s name to get their point across, I know that isn’t God. That’s just a bitter human being who’s run out of leverage.

 

[blessedtoo]

I don’t think any of the guys here are going to get it.

You can’t “get it” if you continue to base your opinion on “feelings” and impressions. Knowledge is power. You wish to engage in a discussion that is divorced of reality. It’s not a very smart way to proceed through life.

All the “ain’t it awful” people are probably pretty old and they’ll be dead soon.

You keep accusing others of this, but I suggest you go back and re-read your own posts. Those who reject the feminist ideaology are not the one’s lamenting the sorry state of alleged victimhood of women. It is the defenders of the feminist status quo who continue to exhume old myths and erroneous notions about “how bad it was for women in the old days” that perpetuate the “ain’t it awful” mentality. We who reject the feminist platform have already moved on. We are embracing a new women’s movement, one that is based on Christian principles and equal respect for every human being.

It’s gotten to a point where people with those mentalities will simply die out.

Nice.

Marx say that change is only brought about when there is an intense contension amongst one class versus the superior class.

How utterly appropriate for you to quote Marx since he represents such an anti-Christian philosophy and would fit in beautifully with the feminists!

That’s how the Civil rights movement worked.

WRONG, WRONG, 1,000 times wrong. Since you are not interested in facts, I guess it doesn’t matter that the Civil Rights movement was born of CHRISTIAN theology and was led by a CHRISTIAN minister.

That’s how India became independan and that’s how women got the right to vote. What anti-feminists are insisting is some sort of dramatic and potentially violent overhall of the present system. It would never work because such movements only work when they are freeing people, not restraining them. It was called the womens liberation. So what would the new movement be called? The women’s subjugation?

That is how you see it? In other words, for you, a return to a more traditional, Christian, and family oriented lifestyle is a subjugation? You see - that is EXACTLY what the movement sought to achieve: convincing women and men that tradition = opression.

I realize that you are young and so I empathize with your “rose colored glasses” view of the feminist movement. I raised my son while I was knee deep in the politics of feminism and, God forgive me, propagandized him into the myth-believing, pro-choice, anti-Christian man that he is today. Blessedly, God has been intervening in his life and allowing truths to seep in as I continue to pray for him and correct the mistakes of my past.

I pray for all the men and women of his generation as they were all mostly raised by women just like me and are now struggling to make sense of their broken lives, hearts and dreams. And I, like you, am looking forward to the passing of my generation as they have caused so much damage and despair. Many younger people, like my son and his wife, are re-thinking their views about the things they were taught by my confused generation. I pray they will continue to educate themselves because it is only the truth that really sets us free.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

You know… It think the original poster was refering to women like you. He was blaming angry feminists but the woman he was describing. An angry powerful woman. That’s you he’s describing. If that’s the case then it’s not feminism after all that makes women angry and unhappy. You are not a femenist correct?
If that’s the case, the OP question has been solved. You solved it! The drive the anger the workaholic superiority complex type A ambition. None of that has anything to do with feminism.
It has to do with a woman’s personal temperment.

Worse, its a textbook case of someone who has bought social darwinism down to the last comma and period. It’s amusing how a segment of the population still can’t understand the true point and desire of this sociological creed was: keep the people in place and leave the wealthy alone. too too funny.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

You can’t “get it” if you continue to base your opinion on “feelings” and impressions. Knowledge is power. You wish to engage in a discussion that is divorced of reality. It’s not a very smart way to proceed through life.

You keep accusing others of this, but I suggest you go back and re-read your own posts. Those who reject the feminist ideaology are not the one’s lamenting the sorry state of alleged victimhood of women. It is the defenders of the feminist status quo who continue to exhume old myths and erroneous notions about “how bad it was for women in the old days” that perpetuate the “ain’t it awful” mentality. We who reject the feminist platform have already moved on. We are embracing a new women’s movement, one that is based on Christian principles and equal respect for every human being.

Nice.

How utterly appropriate for you to quote Marx since he represents such an anti-Christian philosophy and would fit in beautifully with the feminists!

WRONG, WRONG, 1,000 times wrong. Since you are not interested in facts, I guess it doesn’t matter that the Civil Rights movement was born of CHRISTIAN theology and was led by a CHRISTIAN minister.

That is how you see it? In other words, for you, a return to a more traditional, Christian, and family oriented lifestyle is a subjugation? You see - that is EXACTLY what the movement sought to achieve: convincing women and men that tradition = opression.

I realize that you are young and so I empathize with your “rose colored glasses” view of the feminist movement. I raised my son while I was knee deep in the politics of feminism and, God forgive me, propagandized him into the myth-believing, pro-choice, anti-Christian man that he is today. Blessedly, God has been intervening in his life and allowing truths to seep in as I continue to pray for him and correct the mistakes of my past.

I pray for all the men and women of his generation as they were all mostly raised by women just like me and are now struggling to make sense of their broken lives, hearts and dreams. And I, like you, am looking forward to the passing of my generation as they have caused so much damage and despair. Many younger people, like my son and his wife, are re-thinking their views about the things they were taught by my confused generation. I pray they will continue to educate themselves because it is only the truth that really sets us free.

I’m not looking through rose colored glasses. I’m 58 years old. I am old enough to have seen first hand what was before and what after the women’s movement. I am a direct benefactor of what other women did for me, that I might have real choices. I am very happily married to a wonderful man. I’ve had a full and wonderful career in law. I am so very happy that women today have advantages that I just barely got given my age. Some were not yet available to me when I was ready to go into the work world, but many more were, due to those women of the 60’s. I am blessed with a wonderful, feminist loving man, one who strives deeply to see his own preconceived assumptions.

And by the way MLK was assuredly a Christian but he chose to take as his mentor Ghandi, a Hindu as his model for non-violence. So it might better be said that he chose what he believed God wished, which is universally seen as the better way.

Promotion of separate but equal will not wash. We have been that route. I’m not sure what in the world motivates this kind of desire to turn the clock back to some 'dreamy" days of yore when women were upheld in some antebellum reminiscent “goddess” status, but it never was. EVER. It may have been practiced here and there among the wealthy, but for most women life has always been hard, and always a bit harder then for men.

 

[SeekingCatholic]

The point is how society is portraying men as bafoons and woman as the rational ones.

Right, and I will have no respect for a society which has no respect for me. The hypocrisy is extraordinary. It really expects men to continue to shoulder their traditional obligations, while stripping them of their traditional rights, while allowing women to shirk their traditional obligations and expanding their basis of “rights”. And when men wake up to this (and they have) then society tries to manipulate them by telling them how they are not “real men”. Well, I’m here to tell society, we dont’ give a d***.

Exactly. But that is their attitude today. It explains why the marriage rate has dropped substantially in the last 40 years or so.(not just no fault) It explains why we are having less children, while third worlders and Muslims are having more. (Ex: Europe) It explains why men are not stepping up to the plate regarding marriage, it has let them off the hook. It may explain why out of all the divorces, 75% of them are instigated by women.

Unjust divorce laws can easily explain all that. The woman knows she’ll get the house, the children, and a good chunk of hubby’s income. Men are eschewing marriage and rightly so. The hypocrisy of society in this regard is simply astounding.

Many men seek out independant women with money today. They want a second income. Men used to be expected to be the supporter, now, they are off the hook. That is one way that men have become girly and women have become manly. Duel incomes have helped skyrocket the costs of living.

So your attitude is also how you can get men back “on the hook”. You had better explain then how you are going to restore men’s traditional rights if you bemoan them shirking their traditional responsibilities. And, how, if women should equal rights to support the family and be in the workplace, how they do not have equal responsibility to support the family as well.

If they are not married, they shouldn’t be initiating sex, but guess what? Because of feminism and the sexual revolution(and the went hand in hand) they ARE doing all of that. Sure it happened in the past, but nowhere near like it is today. STD’s in teens are riseing at a frightening rate. One study showed how women in college are performing oral sex on as many as 50 different guys a year. In the past, we told women to hold out, make men chase us(for marriage) act like a lady.

Yeah, well, today men have decided women aren’t worth it, and rightly so. And we’re also fed up with this type of manipulative behavior (hold out to make men chase us).

Today, society is telling them to be skinny little whores. They are taught to be the aggressors. What they complained about men for, they are now doing themselves, in the name of equality.

Society is telling them to be skinny little whores because they gain power over men that way, which is the entire goal of the whole thing. Of course, more and more men are waking up to this manipulative tactic as well and probably pretty soon something new will come down the pike.

 

[strngrnrth]

Protect them from what?
Abuse and crime. As I said, this is a list of things feminism has done for women related to me personally. I am speaking of people I know. She was a powerhouse of a social worker, though she grew up in poverty and abuse and was forced into a young marriage. She herself credits the women’s movement for her chance to succeed, which she achieved through long hours and working more than one job while raising children and att4ending classes at the same time.
Why do you think she would have ended up this way? That seems a classic either/or fallacy… In the Puritan communities in America, for instance, or in Ching China before the Communist feminist movement, local village councils or community leaders would assemble to protect women who were severely abused.
I’m talking about women I know. I’m talking about a girl whose personal resources were very limited and who, if she couldn’t be taken seriously as a student and allowed freedom of movement, would have been at the mercy of predators many times.
…They love each other dearly and my mother is extremely happy with the situation.
That’s her choice. The more options we have the more room we have to give each other room. I would never get in the way of her chosen means of survival. But if she had asked for more choices, I would have loved to point her to ideas that have made me happy.
Many women were enabled to see the world during the Enlightenment, when their husbands would sail with them overseas. Missionaries often took their wives with them. The British army often even brought along their women and children . If men were in the navy or were sailors, it’s true that their women couldn’t usually come with them on voyages. Kind of logical, really, if you ask me, considering the conditions of those trips. But feminism has not created the ability of women to travel.
Nice for those who had husbands willing and able to take them places. But I went where I wanted, when I wanted, starting with modest means, alone, because I was allowed to come and go as I pleased. So was my relative. It was wonderful.
Women have been involved in music since ancient days. You can see it in the ancient Israel, in Biblical accounts, and it has existed throughout history among women in many cultures. Including patriarchal ones. This is not a new thing feminism created.
It is for those whose domestic responsibilities or lack of funds would once have made them unable to meet enough people, get out of the house and workplace enough, or afford lessons or instuments. Something about freedom just somehow sends resources right where people need them, not where someone far away imagines someone will need them.
That is good . . . but I know that in many historical patriarchal societies, there were safeguards. Perhaps not as good of safeguards as there are in modern societies, though considering the rate of rapes in the US, I have doubts about this . The number of women being raped in the US is stunningly high. It’s shockingly horrible.
I’m talking about the 20th Century in the US, and the best safeguard is a way to get out of town, a way to get a job without having to wait for a “feminine” one to open, and a sympathetic community. We fought for that. We got it. It saves lives every day.

This is not historical. Women in historical patriarchal eras had very good relationships with one another, most of the time. … But to me, this proves that women who grow up believing that their condition is right and ordered in the way it is according to God’s will, they can be very, very happy with it. Expectations and beliefs about right and wrong make a big difference. When women believe they should have the same place as men, they become unhappy and angry when they lack it, often. If they believe that they shouldn’t have the same place as men, then they’re happy without it.
I have read alot of autobiographies, novels, commentaries and poetry written in periods from antiquity throught he 20th Century. What I read jibes with the recollections of people I have listened to telling their own stories from the 1920’s through the 1960’s in areas where patriarchy was all but unchallenged. Women are described as shallow, competitive, nervous and tense. The assumption was that if a woman spoke to a man it was to try to “trap” him into supporting her children, and that men tried to “get what they could” without offering a penny more support than they had to, which wasn’t as much as it took to keep the kids alive. Real conversation happened only between sisters and brothers, and if your siblings died or left or weren’t intellectually inclined, you would have to wait for old age or forget about it. It sounds even more unbearable than the struggle for reasonable conversation I’ve lived with, which is already enough to make me scream sometimes.
Just like I might be happy without premarital sex because I don’t believe I should have it, but if I believed I was being restricted from having it by other people when I should be allowed it, I would become angry and dissatisfied. It makes a big difference what our expectations and beliefs are.

Expectations: Respect as a human being, not as something we all know I’m not, for that would just be condescension, the opposite of actual respect.
Empathy.
Opportunity.
Acknowledgement of my gifts (my actual ones), work, knowledge etc.
Beliefs: That this isn’t asking much.
That life is a wonderful gift full of unknown and unimagineable chances to do good things and be challenged.
That a person is a person, male, female, born, unborn, married, unmarried, rich or poor, and worth plenty.
That you never know who might have something interesting to say.
That being our best glorifies God.

 

[SeekingCatholic]

I don’t think any of the guys here are going to get it.

And I don’t think any of the gals here are going to get it either. Equal rights means equal responsibility. Demand equal rights in the workplace and lose the right to be supported by a man. Anyone that demands the right to both under “equal rights” is a hypocrite, and is in fact demanding not equal rights but special rights. That’s the problem with feminism. It’s pure hypocrisy, demanding not equal but special rights for women.

The world has changed at it’s going to stay that way.

No, it’s not, it’s going to keep on changing. Cultures in which the men have remained masculinized will triumph over cultures in which the men have become feminized (like ours). It doesn’t look good right now for a feminized Christendom up against a militant Islam.

All the “ain’t it awful” people are probably pretty old and they’ll be dead soon. It’s gotten to a point where people with those mentalities will simply die out. They have no cultural influence on people who aren’t unhappy.

Feminism’s current hypocrisy is enabled in large part to the “ain’t it awful” people, who are paternalistic and chivalrous protectors of women, and do not see how wholly inappropriate those attitudes are to the current situation.

Marx say that change is only brought about when there is an intense contension amongst one class versus the superior class. That’s how the Civil rights movement worked.That’s how India became independan and that’s how women got the right to vote. What anti-feminists are insisting is some sort of dramatic and potentially violent overhall of the present system. It would never work because such movements only work when they are freeing people, not restraining them. It was called the womens liberation. So what would the new movement be called? The women’s subjugation?

No, it will be called men’s liberation. Surely, strong, independent women, who have no need of men (or so they say) surely have no need for child support and alimony payments. Surely, strong, independent women, who can take of themselves, have no need of sexual harassment laws which now even criminalize looks by men. Surely, strong, independent women should have nothing but contempt for women who use their bodies to manipulate stuff from foolish men. I mean, after all, men who attempt to do any of these things are derided as “unmanly” - and, surely, women, as the at least equal if not superior sex, should hardly be stooping to such behavior.

Or, maybe, women just never really grew up in the first place. Previously sheltered by men from the harsh realities of life, they are beginning to learn what the “man’s world” is really like, dealing with the harsh reality of nature “red in tooth and claw”, and are reverting to their earlier means of coping.

You can’t make that sound nice no matter how you spin it. No one likes to be subjugated even for “their own good”. The American system likes to talk out both sides of its mouth on issues.

Tell me about it.

For example, when men all left for war, SUDDENLY women “could do it too” meaning they could build armaments and war heads and even play baseball. What kind of lying system do we live in that suddenly tells women now that the war is over, you couldn’t actually do any of the things we just told you you could do. Go home.?

You gals really don’t get it. You are horribly and unbelievably self-centered. When are you going to learn the entire world doesn’t revolve around you and your petty issues? Cry me a river. MEN’s heads were being blown off on the beaches of Normandy to keep life safe for WOMEN, safely at home. Those that survived, it is thought, might deserve to be first in line for the jobs remaining at home when they returned, especially if they had families, or would have families in the future, to support. This would be a reasonable sacrifice for these women to make, who benefitted by the sacrifices made by these brave young men who risked their lives to keep our freedoms and way of life safe. And all you can think of is (sniff, sniff) those women now had to return home.

Of course now, women divorce their men that go overseas to fight in hell-holes like Iraq, and get the kids and child support, all with the support of our wonderful family court system. In fact, those in the reserves are docked child support based on their civilian wages, which are often substantially higher than the reservist pay, even for combat duty.

Now when women volunteer to put THEIR lives on the line for MEN, THEN I’ll be impressed. When WOMEN give up their seats on lifeboats in the Titanic for MEN, THEN I’ll be impressed.

Apparently noone knows what women are fully capable of. The church is not sexist.Pope John Paul often lauded women who were making a big influence in society.

Actually I would argue that the Church currently is sexist, biased in favor of women. It’s WOMEN who get constantly praised for the influence they are making, and the MEN who are also making a big influence are overlooked; in fact it is not too much of an exaggeration to say that in the Church’s eyes right now men are the problem, while women are the solution. Apparently WOMEN have all these untapped and overlooked capacities, while MEN do not.

That husband of yours should not be your meal ticket or you may find yourself in a bit of a jam when your husband inconveniently dies three years after you are wed leaving you penniless with a huge mortgage to pay off . So what do you do? You either get a job plus an education, OR you go into super desperate man hunting mode so you can pay all your bills. Let me just reiterate that catching a man will get harder and harder as you age.

Men are not “objects” to be “hunted” and “caught” for financial gain.

 

[Calliso]

Dale_M;3610444]

As I said: “Either way, it seems a bit girley for a man to let another man #$%^ him, no?”

I explained how a few posts before this one.

Really? Would you care to explain what are these physical characteristics?

Sure: Am I skinny enough? Am I too fat? Am I busty enough? Am I too busty? Am I too blonde? Am I too brunette? Eating disorders.

Naztakuan was the one who kept bringing up physical characterists when we were discussing behavior, not me. Men in wigs and tights??? Men dressing in costumes? Being manly or “womanly” is a behavior, not nesseccarily a physical characteristic.

On the other side, with all that feminism has acheived, why do all the neuroses still exist? Or, has it been created by feminism? Or was feminism created to deal with these neuroses? Maybe that’s why plastic surgeons are making a killing today! Maybe feminism has told women that their esteem (in their own mind or not) is reason enough to get a divorce, even when infidelity and abuse are not the reasons. That they have the power, economic or not, to just split at will, and they are doing that. They have the power to about 40 million lives and they have the power to wait until the are 39 before they have children. And when they cannot find a guy at that age to give them kids, then they have the power to go to a sperm bank. There were many unintended consequences created by feminism.

They have all the power in society and relationships, and they still have issues??? It’s no wonder that men ran things in the past.

I will give you that at least in terms of divorce women do legally have more power in relationships these days. However you will have to explain the having all the power in society thing to me. I mean I am pretty sure the majority of the heads of companies are men, the majority of people in politics are men and the majority of the leaders of countries are you guessed it men! So you will have to explain to me how women have complete power in society. Cause as far as I can see things are still more or less run by men. And you have all done SUCH a good job of things haven;t you!..

 

[Carolinagirl411]

Seeking Catholic

You seem very bitter towards women! lol Not all women are like you describe. I for one support myself with my degree and my fiance can support himself. I will not have a man supporting me in any fashion.

As far as sexual harassment laws, yes those should still be in place. Men take advantage of their power often to sexually exploit women. Just b/c i have a job and I’m supporting myself does not mean I want some man to grab me. You bet your butt I’m going to sue the pants off of him. However, these same laws protect MEN as well. There are some women out there who will sexually exploit men and the men go running to the law. Equal

I’m not sheltered by men, I know what the real world is like and I am thriving in it without any problem… I do not approve of using sex to get what you want, I only approve of using your God given brain. To use your body would be the most degrading thing you could do and YES men do it as well. Also I know several women who have given their lives in the military for men who stay here at home taking care of their children…as far as the titanic and all that goes, I’m afraid you’ll never see that since that already happened. Get out of the past my friend and open your eyes. You are just as angry and bitter as you claim these women to be. Just as bad.

 

[Calliso]

Seeking Catholic

You seem very bitter towards women! lol Not all women are like you describe. I for one support myself with my degree and my fiance can support himself. I will not have a man supporting me in any fashion.

As far as sexual harassment laws, yes those should still be in place. Men take advantage of their power often to sexually exploit women. Just b/c i have a job and I’m supporting myself does not mean I want some man to grab me. You bet your butt I’m going to sue the pants off of him. However, these same laws protect MEN as well. There are some women out there who will sexually exploit men and the men go running to the law. Equal

I’m not sheltered by men, I know what the real world is like and I am thriving in it without any problem… I do not approve of using sex to get what you want, I only approve of using your God given brain. To use your body would be the most degrading thing you could do and YES men do it as well. Also I know several women who have given their lives in the military for men who stay here at home taking care of their children…as far as the titanic and all that goes, I’m afraid you’ll never see that since that already happened. Get out of the past my friend and open your eyes. You are just as angry and bitter as you claim these women to be. Just as bad.

Yep agreed and about the military thing this page kinda explains how women have been involved in the military throughout history. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_military

What is interesting to note though is that in many countries women weren;t even officially allowed in the military until recent times! However there was still women who risked their lives on the battlefield pretending to be men! Not to mention the risk of being discovered! which in some countries could have been just as deadly as being shot or whatnot on the battlefield! So the idea that women haven;t fought and died on the battlefield is outright false and insulting. Yeah and the example of the titantic was just silly, besides how can we know that there wasn;t women that gave up their seats or at least tried too? It;s not like all that stuff would have been recorded…

 

[juliamajor]

Oh I love misogynists! there so funny Church biased in favor of women? What a crock. I have a circle of women friends who’ve been working for the church for many years-you should sit in with us and see if we’ve really been treated special. Many parish priests are afraid that laypeople will some how take their places - then when women come along it scares them even more. Many belong to the ‘old boys’ club. After 4 yrs of training in Bible I approached my pastor about starting a very in depth Bible study- what i got was a pat on the head and a really paternalistic"isn’t that cute" kinda of reply. No matter how often the DRE asked the pastor to see my study and sit in on it she was always answered with 'I got more important things to do" Don’t the workers in the vineyard deserve some respect? I respect and honour the ordained , don’t we all deserve that respect for work accomplished?

 

[Naztakuan]

Dude…talk about bitttteerr.

Oh and sexual harrassment goes beyond heterosexuality. Sexual harassment is wrong and therefore criminal. But women do sexually harass women and men sexually harass men. So I’m thinking those laws are in place for everyone. But last time I checked rape was still more common amongst men against women and sometimes men against men but rarely women against men. And there are plenty of women I know who are in the air force,the army, and the marines. Wasn’t there a woman who just got murdered who was a high ranking officer? Men seem to think in terms of size and physical domination which women have adjusted themselves in order to play by their rules. But it should be about cooperation. A child is supposed to be cared for by two parents at least. Any less than that gets difficult regardless of the sex of the parent. You are responsible every time you choose to have sex with a woman and vice versa. If the man ends up getting custody then of course the woman has to pay child support. It depends on the situation that lead up to divorce or the competancy of the parent. If the woman is a crack addicted junkie then obviously the father gets custody.
Women often participate more than they are given credit. It wasn’t completely uncommon for women to disguise themselves as men in order to help feed their familiess or fight for their country. As for men who are honoured for what thy do. Men ge the same treatment as women when they do somthing well that their sex is not givin credit for. Women are always expected to cook so noone cares when they can actually cook. Women get attention for breaking stereotypes like playing sports or becoming a lawyer. Men get attention when they do things women would never expect them to do like be a good cook or clean or sew or do the bulk of the childrearing.

If we were to go backwards, What would you be able to do with the women who resisted? Nothing. It just makes it easier to infiltrate a uniformed system that dictates what men and women should be like, not the reality. You create an environment where their pursuit of a dream comes at an even higher cost. Rebellion starts right back up again and then overhauls the system a second time.

There’s a scene in Marjane Satrapi’s autobiography where she is waiting for her boyfriend in fundamentalist Iran. Aside from the fact that it is forbidden to meet a man in public who is not related to you, she is also wearing makeup which is also forbbiden. she fears being arrested so she uses the system to her advantage. She accuses an innocent man of saying indecent things to her and has him arrested so that her boyfriend can meet her without being seen by police. If we were to revert to a system where women were being subjugated in order for them to be safe, then that is really no way to live at all.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin

Freedom is worth the torture or the pain. If you don’t think so then you don’t deserve to be free. I seem to recall all the suffragettes after being imprisoned, going on hunger strike just so they could have the right to vote. Then only to be painfully forcefed later. They compromised their safety so they could have their freedom.

Freedom is not free and true sometimes a woman will be unhappy but it’s because she is paying the price for freedom. It happens when you become an adult. Children are carefree because they are coddled and protected by their parents. But once you grow up that responsibility shifts to you as an adult. I’m sure men were and still are occasionally unsatisfied by dips in their lives. Women are just experiencing the same thing. Life is depressing sometimes and sometimes it’s great and again it’s bad. That’s the price you pay to be a responsible self reliant adult. But you have more freedom. Would you rather live at home living off your parents or have your own place and pay your own bills? One is harder true but it’s better for you. Are you insisting that it is better for a woman to be coddled and protected well into adulthood than to be told to get off her keister, get a job and fly on her own? That kind of situation will stunt any persons maturity.

A close family friend married the "ideal " woman, she never worked, had no education, had no job skills, perfectly submissive wife and mother. This was the type this man was attracted to inititally. Eventually when his four children were getting older, taking care of them was becoming more difficult on them financially. They ended up divorcing. Theoretically because he couldn’t afford to support such dead weight. It would be better for everyone that she moved out and got a job. So she works at wallmart and lives by herself. Up until then it was like taking care of five children instead of four.

 

[SeekingCatholic]

I mean I am pretty sure the majority of the heads of companies are men, the majority of people in politics are men and the majority of the leaders of countries are you guessed it men! So you will have to explain to me how women have complete power in society. Cause as far as I can see things are still more or less run by men. And you have all done SUCH a good job of things haven;t you!..

And things would be SO much better with women in charge, right? It’s really eye-opening to notice the contempt women really have for men.

 

[Carolinagirl411]

But you show just as much contempt as these supposed women do. You are no better

 

[leftistdestroye]

Naztakuan;3610459]

Are you implying that sexual aggresssion is a good thing?

I meant it as in the initiator.

Are you implying that women should be pushovers?

To a point, yes.

Are you implying that men choose careers over family?

Don’t know where that came from.

I’m pretty sure children hate when their fathers spend all that time at work as well.

But now, it is okay to have both parents, if they even have two parents living with them, to go to work?

are you implying that it’s okay if men outnumbered women by 10% in college? Everyone should be educated. We shouldn’t take women out of college just to make it so more men are smarter.

No, I am saying society is pandering to women, specifically, less to boys. And college does not make one smarter or increase inteligence. Somebody said that kids should be allowed to do what they want, but why is it that motherhood and/or marriage is pushed like college is? Because of feminism. This is how feminism has been mainstreamed into society.

We should concern ourselves with making it equal.

LOL The last time I heard that, we ended up with feminism. No thanks.

Women wanted equality. It made them women not girls anymore.
The “woman” you described is not a woman but a helpless child with no will of her own. Let her have a choice in what she wants to do. Hausfrau is not a career choice that you can “work” toward. It’s something that happens or does not happen. It’s nice that person says they want to be mother…but telling women that should be the main focus of their life can backfire. Say you tell every girl she’s going to grow and become a wife and mother. God did not bless her with fertility and she’s got all sorts of physical defects. Instead of focusing on the fact that she is now doomed to a life of potential spinsterhood, it would be more appropriate to encourage her to pursue what she is good at. My mother always talks about how a person should pursue their passion whatever it may be. What truly gives you joy in life. If a woman is perfectly happy to paint for the rest of her life instead of having babies. Then fine, God has called her to that. If a woman decides that she really loves ice skating and that’s what she feels called to do, then she should do that. What they shouldn’t be doing is taking cues from people who think women should ONLY be wives and mothers. When a woman pursues a “career”, that is different from a “job”. A career is usually what a person feels she should be doing based on her talents,skills and passions. Working at an office building in a cubicle in order to pay for your lifestyle is a “job”. Starting your own clinic for people with eating disoders because it’s something you have talents and experience in is a “career”. I had a teacher who was musician. The teaching was his “job”. The music was his “career”. If your have a five year old girl who has dreams of being a great harpist, encourage her but don’t pelt her with the pressure of worrying about marriage and getting a man all her life. If she feels called to marry, she’ll know and she will make that decision. But that is her decision to make. Most women I know because we are around the same age intend to get married one day. It isn’t until they are pushing 30, that they give up their goal or they settle.

And all of what you said, has resulted in high divorce rates, more abortion, mass promiscuous sex, a rise in STD’s, economic difficulty, less focus boys and more on girls, less children, a rise in cohabitation, etc.

There is one girl who’s a “friend” of mine that I doubt is ever going to get married. She’s as stupid as can be. She’s got all the submissive girl characteristics that would make one of you anti-feminists proud.
But I know she won’t be getting married. she’s incredibly dumb about just about everything. And she ain’t a girl who’s pretty AND dumb. A guy could marry her and tell her what to do but she wouldn’t be able to do any of it properly. I just pity her because her life revolves around what her parents expect for women which isn’t much. Marry, have babies, menopause, die. She has no talents or skills. And she doesn’t have a very engaging personality either(when i asked what she wanted to do after HS, she said she planned to wait for the rapture). I only hang with her because we’re neigbors and I’m friends with her older sister who’s the polar opposite. Smart, pretty, interesting, passionate, and a good mom to her 4 year old son.

So what is your point? An ugly, stupid chick can’t get a date? Yeah, and…? I don’t know what kind of money she makes, but modern men may like a woman with money. So one example? Come on.

we gotta be honest.
There are just some women out there that no man will want. No sane man anyway. Rather than making them feel bad about their failure, they should be encouraged to pursue something else. Careers make women feel less bad about feelings of inadequacy as some man’s little obediant frau. If the wife thing never works out, at least you have a hobbie to distract you. That’s what a career is , it’s a really fancy word for a hobbie, that you happen to get paid for. My brother likes to play guitar. that’s a hobbie that could potentially make him some money one day. My other friend is in ballet, I’m sure she’ll get paid for that some day. But it’s a hobbie. Maybe you’re really good at cooking, so you open a restaurant. That’s their dream. Who are you people to go crushing peoples’ dreams?

Sure, and we end up with a bunch of unintended societal consequences. Again, who is told that motherhood and being a stay at home mom, is a good thing anymore? Nobody. I’ve seen women in the offices talk down about that. Of course, it is the younger ones right out of colleges, but…

 

[leftistdestroye]

Dale_M;3610464]

You point us to an article which asks if women are feminizing men?

My gosh, if a man is that insecure about being male, he needs a psychologist. He shouldn’t be running around trying to blame women for his personal insecurities.

LOL Funny. My girlfriend has a Master’s degree and earns more than I do. Has a house, two cars, and supports her mother. And if you read any of the other items that I had mentioned, such as high divorce, abortion, mass promiscuity, you would understand that this has nothing to do with insecurities.

Are you joking? You seem to be saying that women should submit to men, and accept the consequences.

Oh, ok. Yeah, men used to beat women and cheat on them. Feminism was gunna “liberate” them from that. Guess what? (It still happens) Only now, women do it too.

16 To the woman he said, “I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”

Nowhere does it say man shall beat, belittle, cheat on, or anything else. It implies that men shall take the lead.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Dale_M;3610471]

Wow. That will get you into so much trouble. But don’t say you weren’t warned - because you are being warned now, just in case you weren’t before. Take a step back and be considerate of others.

Yeah, I never heard that before. (roll eyes)