Feminisms effect on women

[nannygirl]

SeekingCatholic;3622018]It makes me discouraged that women are taught that they can do whatever they choose, but then they are pushed only in one direction by modern society(college, careers) That actually discourges motherhood, without discouraging it. Motherhood and stay at home motherhood, is frowned upon. And that is sad. A stay at home mom, to me, is the sexiest thing around.

I don’t think it’s frowned upon that much anymore. A lot of unhappy career women have decided that the working world wasn’t all it was cracked up to be. I loved being a stay at home wife, mother and grandma. When the grandkids started school, I decided it was time to help out toward retirement expenses, but the time at home is still my favorite and I can’t wait to be there full time again.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Carolinagirl411;3622159]

hahahaha ok my dunce self finally understands.

Oh thank GOD.

I don’t think motherhood should be discouraged in any way and I can see where you are coming from…more and more women are career oriented and don’t give a care about children. Motherhood is one of the most important “jobs” a woman can have but it isn’t the only one…lol does that sound ok?

I need a drink, thank GOD!! Thank you Father!

I never intended to forgo children for my teaching career. As I said earlier my mother took time off work while we were in our formative years and then when back to work when we weren’t home anymore. I think that was commendable.

Holy cow! So do I!

If anyone gets career crazed, man or woman, the family suffers. Most men lose out b/c they are so busy bringing home the bacon they don’t get a chance to really interact with their kids. I think that is just as sad personally.

Well, we are making some headway. I see that you are trying to meet in the middle, and that is better than nothing. However, the guy bringing home the bacon? At lease he has a family. You won’t find a 40 year old man at a sperm bank. Well, lol, maybe you will!! LOL But not seeking pregnancy.

thanks for understanding about the whole divorce issue…really had to struggle to get my foot out of my mouth b/c it was stuck so far back.

Ahh, no harm…

lol dear Lord I’m exhausted…this thread got crazy.

LOL But what makes you think it is over? lol

 

[leftistdestroye]

nannygirl;3622277]

I don’t think it’s frowned upon that much anymore. A lot of unhappy career women have decided that the working world wasn’t all it was cracked up to be. I loved being a stay at home wife, mother and grandma. When the grandkids started school, I decided it was time to help out toward retirement expenses, but the time at home is still my favorite and I can’t wait to be there full time again.

Well, you could be right. But to know for sure, we must see what the younger generation is doing. I mean, we still have a nasty divorce rate, we are seeing a rise in spermbank babies, college/career caused abortions, etc. Also, we now have the issue of cohabitation. A sub unintended consequence of feminism and no fault divorce. People are afraid to get married. We are entering into a new generation of unintended, bad Catholic consequences.

 

[nannygirl]

nannygirl;3622277]People are afraid to get married. We are entering into a new generation of unintended, bad Catholic consequences.

Yeah, I don’t understand cohabitation at all. I think it is about the most degrading thing a woman can do- allow herself to be used like a pretend wife. Why would a man want to get married when he gets it all for nothing. Like we used to say- why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free.

 

[leftistdestroye]

nannygirl;3622352]

Yeah, I don’t understand cohabitation at all. I think it is about the most degrading thing a woman can do- allow herself to be used like a pretend wife. Why would a man want to get married when he gets it all for nothing. Like we used to say- why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free.

Well it’s because of divorce. This generation has lived through it, and do not like it. They must feel that they will not have to go through all the troubles if they cohabitate. The fall of/dirstortion/disregard of Catholicism could be another reason. This nation is full of Cafeteria Catholics and it is killing the Church and this nation.

 

[nannygirl]

nannygirl;3622352]

Well it’s because of divorce. This generation has lived through it, and do not like it. They must feel that they will not have to go through all the troubles if they cohabitate. The fall of/dirstortion/disregard of Catholicism could be another reason. This nation is full of Cafeteria Catholics and it is killing the Church and this nation.

I am a relatively new convert so I don’t get this Cafeteria Catholic stuff. Can a person who doesn’t subscribe to all that the Catholic Church teaches still be considered a Catholic? I mean, isn’t that what distinguishes a Catholic from a Protestant? Sometimes I think Catholicism is wasted on Catholics!!

 

[EasterJoy]

I don’t think it’s frowned upon that much anymore. A lot of unhappy career women have decided that the working world wasn’t all it was cracked up to be. I loved being a stay at home wife, mother and grandma. When the grandkids started school, I decided it was time to help out toward retirement expenses, but the time at home is still my favorite and I can’t wait to be there full time again.

I asked a newlywed couple in our family how marriage was treating them…this was before kids, and they both had full-time jobs. Their answer? “It’s great, but we could sure use a*** wife***!”

Seriously, though, the American workplace evolved as if everybody did have a wife. There was this “shift” of work that automatically was covered, freeing the worker to be intent on what their employment demanded. It is extremely stressful to meet those demands, when you don’t have that person at home, making it a home, particularly when there are children to care for.

 

[edwest2]

Her Fiance:

Guess what? Marriage centers on the desires of both the man AND the woman. Do you seriously believe that a relationship could survive if only one person was pleased? Get real! I think what you’re saying is ridiculous. It’s 2008! (Not 1808)

She knows what she is talking about. You sir, are lost in the 1800s.

Please do not refer to the calendar myth. Just because the calendar changed from the 20th to the 21st Century, did wisdom, knowledge or enlightenment pour into anyone’s head? No.

Things are decided and acted upon by individual people. Feminism, as espoused by the National Organization for Women, was and is evil. Period.

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

nannygirl;3622277]

Well, you could be right. But to know for sure, we must see what the younger generation is doing. I mean, we still have a nasty divorce rate, we are seeing a rise in spermbank babies, college/career caused abortions, etc. Also, we now have the issue of cohabitation. A sub unintended consequence of feminism and no fault divorce. People are afraid to get married. We are entering into a new generation of unintended, bad Catholic consequences.

Maybe-ism is not the answer. A return to being obedient to what the Church teaches would be a step in the right direction. As Pope Benedict has pointed out, young people are getting the idea that real love is important, not just the physical.

God bless,
Ed

 

[nannygirl]

nannygirl;3622352]

Well it’s because of divorce. This generation has lived through it, and do not like it. They must feel that they will not have to go through all the troubles if they cohabitate. The fall of/dirstortion/disregard of Catholicism could be another reason. This nation is full of Cafeteria Catholics and it is killing the Church and this nation.

Seriously though, it does seem like things are really bad, but today I did a haircut on a man in his mid 20’s who is going to be in 5 weddings this summer (always a groomsman, never a groom). I am hearing about a lot of traditional type marriages and lots of kids being born where I live. And yes, they are Catholics. The men especially are anxious to start families. It is wonderful to hear a man in a barbershop full of men talking about his cousin’s new baby and hear the men asking for all the details!

 

[EasterJoy]

Her Fiance:

Guess what? Marriage centers on the desires of both the man AND the woman. Do you seriously believe that a relationship could survive if only one person was pleased? Get real! I think what you’re saying is ridiculous. It’s 2008! (Not 1808)

She knows what she is talking about. You sir, are lost in the 1800s.

No, marriage centers on a fidelity that does not depend on whether you, your spouse, your kids, your in-laws, or anybody else happens to be pleased or not. Annulment is for those marriages in which that fidelity or the means to honor it never existed, not for those in which the parties have tired of it.

Of course you should be concerned with whether your spouse is pleased, and vice versa. Of course each spouse has legitimate needs. But if you don’t go into your marriage determined that it will last, even through those periods when *nobody *is pleased, then I don’t like your chances.

And that sir, has been true for far longer than 200 years.

 

[Carolinagirl411]

No, marriage centers on a fidelity that does not depend on whether you, your spouse, your kids, your in-laws, or anybody else happens to be pleased or not. Annulment is for those marriages in which that fidelity or the means to honor it never existed, not for those in which the parties have tired of it.

Of course you should be concerned with whether your spouse is pleased, and vice versa. Of course each spouse has legitimate needs. But if you don’t go into your marriage determined that it will last, even through those periods when *nobody *is pleased, then I don’t like your chances.

And that sir, has been true for far longer than 200 years.

My fiance isn’t here right now, but I think you misunderstood what he was trying to say in the context he meant it. The other individual was saying I was only concerned with my desires and feelings as a female and should submit to my husband in all of his desires b/c that is what marriage is. And no it isn’t.

The fact that you should go into a marriage knowing it isn’t always going to be happy is a DUH issue. We’re not stupid. only an idiot would get married thinking it was always going to be happy and pleasure and that you wouldn’t have to work through some hard times. You haven’t told us anything new. So don’t judge his statement when that wasn’t even what we were discussing. I’m sure he’ll address this himself when he has the time!

And I think our chances are just fine thank you!

 

[leftistdestroye]

edwest2;3622550]

Maybe-ism is not the answer. A return to being obedient to what the Church teaches would be a step in the right direction. As Pope Benedict has pointed out, young people are getting the idea that real love is important, not just the physical.

Are you suggesting that I am all about maybe-ism? LOL Go read my posts.

And I sure hope that the Pope is right, cause I aint seein it.

 

[nannygirl]

But if you don’t go into your marriage determined that it will last, even through those periods when *nobody *is pleased, then I don’t like your chances.

And that sir, has been true for far longer than 200 years.

Amen

I’ve heard couples say they hope they’ll never get divorced, but they open themselves up to the possibility by that very statement.

One of my non-Catholic family members is cohabitating with a very feminist oriented woman. They have a child together, but are planning a big wedding next year when she graduates from college. They are waiting to see if their relationship will last. Boy, things are sure backwards. It’s shameful and embarrassing to me, but not to them.

A marriage is meant to be permanent. Two people become one flesh which can’t be separated. If God hates divorce, shouldn’t we?

 

[leftistdestroye]

nannygirl;3622571]

Seriously though, it does seem like things are really bad, but today I did a haircut on a man in his mid 20’s who is going to be in 5 weddings this summer (always a groomsman, never a groom). I am hearing about a lot of traditional type marriages and lots of kids being born where I live. And yes, they are Catholics. The men especially are anxious to start families. It is wonderful to hear a man in a barbershop full of men talking about his cousin’s new baby and hear the men asking for all the details!

Sure, but cohabitation is on the rise. It is. And the number of marriages are going down. I just gave some possible reason for it.

 

[nannygirl]

It is extremely stressful to meet those demands, when you don’t have that person at home, making it a home, particularly when there are children to care for.

I absolutely agree!

 

[August_AWeitzel]

Seriously though, it does seem like things are really bad, but today I did a haircut on a man in his mid 20’s who is going to be in 5 weddings this summer (always a groomsman, never a groom). I am hearing about a lot of traditional type marriages and lots of kids being born where I live. And yes, they are Catholics. The men especially are anxious to start families. It is wonderful to hear a man in a barbershop full of men talking about his cousin’s new baby and hear the men asking for all the details!

 

[blessedtoo]

And when men wake up to this (and they have) then society tries to manipulate them by telling them how they are not “real men”. Well, I’m here to tell society, we dont’ give a d***.

SeekingCatholic,
I applaud your patient efforts.

Perhaps the most damaging effect on SOCIETY from feminism is the absurd over-emphasis on the need for men to “learn” absolutely everything about women and their “feelings”. Now, we have an entire culture that not only knows the most banal minutiae about the female, but also men who feel guilty if they don’t abdicate their own needs to the “rights” of women.

It’s so obvious on this thread that the men, who are making eloquent and FACT - BASED statements are completely ignored (as are the facts) and absolutely misunderstood.

Women have DEMANDED that men “understand” them and yet refuse to devote the same attention and energy to understanding men. I am convinced (especially after this thread) that the only way to unravel the nasty knot of feminist psycho-babel is through a men’s liberation movement.

Hope to see it happen in my lifetime.

 

[neat62]

SeekingCatholic,
I applaud your patient efforts.

Perhaps the most damaging effect on SOCIETY from feminism is the absurd over-emphasis on the need for men to “learn” absolutely everything about women and their “feelings”. Now, we have an entire culture that not only knows the most banal minutiae about the female, but also men who feel guilty if they don’t abdicate their own needs to the “rights” of women.

It’s so obvious on this thread that the men, who are making eloquent and FACT - BASED statements are completely ignored (as are the facts) and absolutely misunderstood.

**Women have DEMANDED that men “understand” them and yet refuse to devote the same attention and energy to understanding men. I am convinced (especially after this thread) that the only way to unravel the nasty knot of feminist psycho-babel is through a men’s liberation movement. **
Hope to see it happen in my lifetime.

:clapping: I totally agree and would be happy to stand next to you in support of the above!

 

[neat62]

So here’s an interesting article I found tonight…just to throw it into the mix…please note some of the things the women state.

Successful, Yet Single. A Uniquely Female Conundrum

From the article, with my comments in red:

We have witnessed a more dramatic change in female sexuality — and marriage, for that matter — in the last 30 years than occurred in the previous 5,000.

Single, empowered, successful women are here to stay. Yet, with their profound presence, meeting potential partners, dating, finding romance and building relationships in the traditional American sense have been thrown into chaos.
(because today, the traditional American sense of relationships are looked down upon…as are those who choose to maintain it…so much for the movement supporting a woman’s “choice”)

— “My biggest problem these days is being more educated than the men I am dating. It seems to be an ‘issue’ at some level, although they don’t go so far as to say this is the real reason!”

— “I am finding that some of the men I am meeting have a lot of issues with my success. This baggage comes in the form of preconceived notions about types of women (career women, single women, etc.). They think they know everything there is to know about the ‘type’ of person I am, which isn’t always attractive, and it is simply silly …”

— “The men I date seem to think that chivalry is dead given today’s female empowerment — and it’s not! I hate not being treated like a lady on a date.”
(note the mixed message…treat me as an equal, but don’t forget I’m a princess!

— “I’m still waiting for the Oprah show featuring a bunch of single men lined up, ready to receive training on how to adapt to the needs and desires of today’s single, successful women — instead of it always being us accommodating them!”
(note the “all about me” attitude?)

*Females are expressing their sexuality as never before. For better or for worse, females are having sex sooner, have more partners, marry later, have fewer kids, **leave their marriages for better ones, have less remorse for the sex partners they have had, are committing adultery … *Many are also taking their sexual satisfaction into their own hands, with or without a male. (again, the “all about me” attitude seems to be prevelant…while the sanctity of the family suffers)

*She doesn’t have to be submissive.

Married or not, equality is the norm in today’s relationships. A companionate union where lovers see each other as peers is expected and demanded. If a man is a bit “old-fashioned” in his ideas over dominating a relationship, he’s got another thing coming with these women.*
(as if all men who hold “old-fashioned” ideals are wife beaters and ogars…sigh…instead, we now have women being controlling and even sometimes abusive in their behavior towards men)

Honestly, I think this article summarizes many women’s feelings today…and it points out the major problems with the feminist movement, some of which I highlighted above…this is WHY I will not ever call myself a feminist and it is why I will not ever support the movement…it has broken down the sanctity of the family, caused chaos within society and most of all, made a mockery of God’s laws.