Feminisms effect on women

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Since the dawn of civilization, most men and women worked in home workshops and on farms. “Separate spheres” theory came into being as a way of dealing with a moral dichotomy in the Industrial Revolution: If the hard-headed, detached way of living was effective for getting productivity up, but society agreed that the soft-hearted, involved approach was more wholesome for the kids, then how would children be reared? The answer the middle class came up with was that women would be insulated from the harsh facts of busiess and politics, while boys would leave home and be trained in a completely neww way of thinking at an early age. This created a gulf of understanding between boys and mothers, wives and husbands. The men felt an obligation to protect the “better” ideology of woman’s sphere while knowing they were to think of their own retraining as the “real” ideology. Women felt obligated to prove they were ladies and be sentimental and naive even when they couldn’t help picking up how the world really worked. Literature at the time showed how both sexes felt some strain between respect and disdain for each other because of the double ideology.
But it applied only to the middle classes, who were actually the lower-upper classes. The upper-upper classes had little sentimentality and also didn’t do business. In Europe, they descended from conquerors. In the Americas, they descended from more recent conquerors and from generations of early successful businesspeople. They didn’t work anymore.
The poor were the majority, and most poor people, either sex, worked from age five or so until death or extreme disability. In the home or out, country or city, they worked long hours and faced danger and deprivation to have a chance to give their children something better. They couldn’t afford separate spheres.
We are the heirs to the world their hard work built and we now must find the way to use it with kindness and responsibility.
Some very good points. What I find amusing here is that so much of the rhetoric designed to tell women what their place is, is issued not from the classes who defined it, but from those who historically never had such advantages but are still buying into the rhetoric that if they live “correctly” they too can achieve it. This nonsense has always been perpetrated by the rich to keep the non-rich from attacking the real issues. So we have people continuting to believe that with enough “hard” work anyone can make it. While they struggle generation after generation to “make it” the rich have quietly gotten richer, the middle class has shrunk and the poor have grown by huge numbers. Yet they continue to fuel these culture wars wherein the only fighters are working class right wingers against the working class left wingers. It’s funny, but oh too sad.
 
I think one possible target would be a return to a single income family so that a parent can be around their family more (so that their children are not shipped off to the most convenient baby sitter or day-care).

I don’t care if the parent who stays home is the mother or the father. One parent should be home with their children.

Exactly how this target could be reached is another matter entirely.
Well there will have to be a major restructuring of wealth in this country in order to return to a one-income family again. Most families are now working 2 and sometimes 3 or more jobs to make ends meet.
 
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Which one are you? And he is 100% correct.

ifeminists.net/introduction/editorials/2003/1125roberts.html
fathersforlife.org/culture/ideology.htm#Friedan

Abolition of the Family! Karl Marx. And his plan for growing Communism was: “to do away with the status of women as mere instruments of production.”

On Religion:
“Religion is the opiate of the people.”

angelfire.com/or/sociologyshop/marxrel.html

Some others:
  1. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
  2. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
  3. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
  4. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
  5. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
  6. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

  1. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.


Predictions made by a former FBI agent in the 50’s. Pretty scary, aint it?

uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

You want some more? I can fill this thread if you want.
LOL…can we get out of the mid fifties at least. I am not in league with any Communists (they are pretty much out the picture wouldn’t you say?) and I have never known an anarchist. To claim that anarchists and communists share philosophy is to obviously understand neither. And women are not in league with either one as a unifed group. What utter silliness to propose. Men have to dig deep it seems to raise the old bugabooo of the Red scare in order to keep subjugating women. Grow up and enter the 21century. You can find a silly website for nearly anything these days. “Fathersforlife” ought to tell you something right off the top…guess it doesn’t
 
Carolinagirl411;3629880]
I would like you all to take it up with Fulton Sheen. I have no opinion on the matter yet. I saw the quote on a friend’s blog, thought it was humorous, decided to post it, and watch the insults fly!!
Very entertaining guys. You’ve lived up to my expectations. :thumbsup
I actually agree with that quote.
 
SpiritMeadow;3630014]
Goodness the Church does not even teach such bigoted nonsense. I still deny that you are a woman at all. Just a dude trying to act like one and you are not doing a very good job
I can personaly vouch for her womanhood. Go to our blog and you will see.
 
SpiritMeadow;3630030]
To the degree that one desires or needs to accept the Genesis account literally, the Church teaches that both man and woman were equally responsible for the “Fall”. I can but hazard the amount of self-loathing any “woman” must endure to place the entire fault upon her own sex, including Jesus’ suffering. I do not believe the poster is female, but only trying to vent his hatred of women by attempting to post as one,thinking that somehow the wrath of the readers will not descend so harshly.
Well, it WAS Eve who gave the apple to Adam. Eve was given a harsher punishment(?) that Adam was. Why? Guess!

“He(serpant) said to the woman

“And the woman said to the serpent…”

“But the serpent said to the woman,”

“**So when the woman saw **that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and **she also gave **some to her husband, and he ate”

"The man said, “The** woman **whom thou gavest to be with me, **she gave me fruit **of the tree, and I ate.” 13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?”
 
SpiritMeadow;3630056]
One of the more noted things that is done on the internet is people can pose as any character they wish to assume just for the fun of it and to harass and mislead others. It’s a safe way for racists, bigots and others to vent against people they hate/fear, all the while pretending to be from those groups. But usually it becomes quite easy to define who they are really, wouldn’t you say?
You are borderline slander, you know. Go to our blog and see how foo…see for yourself.
 
SpiritMeadow;3630074]
Some very good points. What I find amusing here is that so much of the rhetoric designed to tell women what their place is, is issued not from the classes who defined it, but from those who historically never had such advantages but are still buying into the rhetoric that if they live “correctly” they too can achieve it. This nonsense has always been perpetrated by the rich to keep the non-rich from attacking the real issues. So we have people continuting to believe that with enough “hard” work anyone can make it. While they struggle generation after generation to “make it” the rich have quietly gotten richer, the middle class has shrunk and the poor have grown by huge numbers. Yet they continue to fuel these culture wars wherein the only fighters are working class right wingers against the working class left wingers. It’s funny, but oh too sad.
LOL wow. What a negative and BS view you have, Commie.
 
SpiritMeadow;3630103]
Well there will have to be a major restructuring of wealth in this country in order to return to a one-income family again. Most families are now working 2 and sometimes 3 or more jobs to make ends meet
No, they are living beyond their means. (not ALL, but a great many) And one of the causes for their “suffering” is a duel income. And taxes, but you really don’t care about that, do you?
 
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LOL…can we get out of the mid fifties at least
No, it was a prediction made in the 50’s. And about half of the list have been checked off.
I am not in league with any Communists (they are pretty much out the picture wouldn’t you say?)
The ideology of Marx is alive and well. Much of it has been subversive and accepted today. But not under the name of Marxism or Communism.
and I have never known an anarchist. To claim that anarchists and communists share philosophy is to obviously understand neither.
I is obvious that you do not understand all six apparent variations of Anarchism.
And women are not in league with either one as a unifed group. What utter silliness to propose.
I have shown that Betty Friedman was and that Karl Marx endorsed feminism. I provided quotes for crying out loud.
Men have to dig deep it seems to raise the old bugabooo of the Red scare in order to keep subjugating women. Grow up and enter the 21century. You can find a silly website for nearly anything these days. “Fathersforlife” ought to tell you something right off the top…guess it doesn’t
See folks, it is working. It has been accepted in the US. The prediction made has come true.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.


**“NEW ORLEANS — With no evidence that Communists are planning the destruction of Louisiana, a federal judge threw out a state law calling for prison terms for people who hand out Communist propaganda.”

“Although the law had not been enforced since the 1960s, there was the threat a prosecutor could pull it out at will, Howells said”**
Since the 60’s? Isn’t that interesting?
freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=3259

LONG BEACH, Calif. — Democratic state Sen. Alan Lowenthal is proposing legislation calling for California to drop Cold War-era laws aimed at penalizing individuals who join the Communist Party, saying the provisions are “outdated” and "unconstitutional."

foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344049,00.html
 
hey…I know communists are interested in governments basically controlling everything in order to make it “fair” for everyone…In theory alone “fair” sounds nice, but in practice communism fails each and every time.

However this checklist is rather frightening…do you think communists would be for a one world all powerful government controlling everything?

That seems to be where we are headed…

As far as supporting feminism…Telling women they don’t need men…telling men they don’t need women…telling everyone that wild crazy sex is good, abstinence is bad, and children are bad for the planet

LOL don’t believe me? Check this out…environmentalists…pfff
news.com.au/story/0,23599,21684156-5009760,00.html

I can see what kind of damage that could do and has done. Not all women should be blamed though. Feminism at first was presented as an idea that was good! Women should not be treated as property, they should be treated as humans and have the basic human rights that men have. 50 years ago, if a woman was beaten to within an inch of her life, it was ok, b/c she was seen as belonging to her husband. Women didn’t have property rights either before feminism started. They didn’t have the right to vote/job etc. However, once they got their foot in the door they took it to a whole new level. I can see how this new level is harmful.
 
. This nonsense has always been perpetrated by the rich to keep the non-rich from attacking the real issues. .
So who are these ‘rich’ people that have been ‘perpetrating’ this. Do you have any names?

And what exactly did they say, when, and to whom?

If your premise is true ( that myths are being perpetrated by ‘rich’ people on ‘poor’ people); what you are basically saying that poor people are incredibly gulible; is that your premise?
 
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hey…I know communists are interested in governments basically controlling everything in order to make it “fair” for everyone…In theory alone “fair” sounds nice, but in practice communism fails each and every time.
I agree.
However this checklist is rather frightening…do you think communists would be for a one world all powerful government controlling everything?
Yeah, I would think so, yes.
As far as supporting feminism…Telling women they don’t need men…telling men they don’t need women…telling everyone that wild crazy sex is good, abstinence is bad, and children are bad for the planet
Sure. And it is anti religion.
I can see what kind of damage that could do and has done. Not all women should be blamed though. Feminism at first was presented as an idea that was good! Women should not be treated as property, they should be treated as humans and have the basic human rights that men have. 50 years ago, if a woman was beaten to within an inch of her life, it was ok, b/c she was seen as belonging to her husband. Women didn’t have property rights either before feminism started. They didn’t have the right to vote/job etc. However, once they got their foot in the door they took it to a whole new level. I can see how this new level is harmful.
Sure! Communism was presented as good and fair! The idea of Communism isn’t nesseccarily so bad, in a Utopian world, which will never exist, so basically, it is fantasyland. lol

I don’t blame women, it was a prediction, based on the Communist Manifesto, that this is how they would do it. It was like Mein Kamph. The plan was laid out. Feminism was just one “change” (like NO bama") keeps saying. And speaking of which…lol:

You know how the right wingers call the lefty’s commies? Well, is this just a strange coincidence?

worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56293
 
Carolinagirl411;3630381]
I am suprised that you have not seen that in the media. The LEFT WING media, that is. Another strange coincidence? Hummm could be.
 
Carolinagirl411;3630381]

I am suprised that you have not seen that in the media. The LEFT WING media, that is. Another strange coincidence? Hummm could be.
Or it could be that radical chic exists and campaign season, which attract youthful idealists, bring it out every time. It may not have gotten much coverage because it’s a dog-bites-man story.:rolleyes:
 
I don’t want to break any forum rules or anything so I can’t say what I want to say

but I have a problem trusting media in general, left right or whatever…I don’t trust their motives…Especially FOX…I’ve seen them show video clips on the news and spin the story, and then I see the full video clip online and realize the story was totally skewed to fit their interests.

Most media is like that though. I just don’t know who to believe or who to trust anymore…

sad world today

I don’t follow the “left” or “right” so there isn’t a place for me lol
 
Carolinagirl411;3630473]
but I have a problem trusting media in general, left right or whatever…I don’t trust their motives…Especially FOX…I’ve seen them show video clips on the news and spin the story, and then I see the full video clip online and realize the story was totally skewed to fit their interests.
Most media is like that though. I just don’t know who to believe or who to trust anymore…
Wait, why especially Fox? We have one single news show on TV that shows the other side of the story. Everyone NOW say’s that they cannont trust the media, but ONLY since Fox arrived. I’m sorry, but the vast leftwing media machine has been at work far longer than Fox has, and the average Joe out there never said a word until Fox showed up. “And THAT’S, the way it is.”

Today is also May day, or international workers day. Recently used by pro illegal immigration rallies organized by La Reza and International A.N.S.W.E.R. IA is made up of: socialists, Marxists, civil rights advocates, and left-wing or progressive organizations.

Communism is alive and well, and right here in the US. Maybe not Stalinists, but Communism still the same. And I’d hate to see the slippery slope there!

Not directed at you, just taking the opportunity to rant here. lol
 
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Or it could be that radical chic exists and campaign season, which attract youthful idealists, bring it out every time. It may not have gotten much coverage because it’s a dog-bites-man story.:rolleyes:
But if it were a KKK poster at a McCain office, you bet your ***** it would be all over the news! And the chics in that office were NOT young “idealists”, they were full grown women! Easily mid 40’s+ Easily.
 
Goodness the Church does not even teach such bigoted nonsense. I still deny that you are a woman at all. Just a dude trying to act like one and you are not doing a very good job.
Sure…because you can’t accept that someone, a female, just might have a different thought process then you…this is typical of a liberal response and frankly is quite childish…if you want to SEE who I am go to my blog and read my profile there.

And its NOT bigotted…to believe that men and women are simply NOT equal.
 
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