Feminisms effect on women

[leftistdestroye]

Calliso;3631335]

I guess in the 60’s huh? or maybe it was the 70’s I am too tired to think right now lol. .

 

[Calliso]

I don’t disagree at all…unfortunately though…some of us, like man men who feel as you do…have had no choice but to “conform” to the world’s expectations…I was placed in a position to “care” for myself and my family due to circumstances…not out of choice!

Up to me…I would have married at 19 and now have 12 or more children to love and adore each day!

12 children? faints I am sorry though you havent been able to live your dream though.

 

[neat62]

Analyzing the nature of marriage, both St. Augustine and St. Thomas always identify it with an “indivisible union of souls,” a “union of hearts,” with “consent.” These elements are found in an exemplary manner in the marriage of Mary and Joseph. At the culmination of the history of salvation, when God reveals his love for humanity through the gift of the Word, it is precisely the marriage of Mary and Joseph that brings to realization in full “freedom” the “spousal gift of self” in receiving and expressing such a love. “In this great undertaking which is the renewal of all things in Christ, marriage—it too purified and renewed—becomes a new reality, a sacrament of the New Covenant. We see that at the beginning of the New Testament, as at the beginning of the Old, there is a married couple. But whereas Adam and Eve were the source of evil which was unleashed on the world, Joseph and Mary are the summit from which holiness spreads all over the earth. The Savior began the work of salvation by this virginal and holy union, wherein is manifested his all-powerful will to purify and sanctify the family—that sanctuary of love and cradle of life.”

How much the family of today can learn from this! “The essence and role of the family are in the final analysis specified by love. Hence the family has the mission to guard, reveal and communicate love, and this is a living reflection of and a real sharing in God’s love for humanity and the love of Christ the Lord for the Church his bride.” This being the case, it is in the Holy Family, the original “Church in miniature (Ecclesia domestica),” that every Christian family must be reflected. "Through God’s mysterious design, it was in that family that the Son of God spent long years of a hidden life. It is therefore the prototype and example for all Christian families."

~ Pope John Paul II - REDEMPTORIS CUSTOS (Guardian Of The Redeemer)

 

[neat62]

12 children? faints I am sorry though you havent been able to live your dream though.

Or more if God was to so bless me with them…I adore children and have wanted nothing more than to simply be a mommy…all my life.

Thank you!

 

[neat62]

I guess in the 60’s huh? or maybe it was the 70’s I am too tired to think right now lol. .

Yup…ya got that right!

 

[neat62]

neat62;3631310]

Now honey, we are in public here. They do not need to know our personal life. And I am sure that they do not want to know it. (But a cool little story it was)

Sorry sweetie, not to question you…but who’s sharing our personal life?? Is it not true that I sit here and wait praying for the day I will be blessed with many children?? (God willing, of course)

 

[nannygirl]

To the degree that one desires or needs to accept the Genesis account literally, the Church teaches that both man and woman were equally responsible for the “Fall”. I can but hazard the amount of self-loathing any “woman” must endure to place the entire fault upon her own sex, including Jesus’ suffering. I do not believe the poster is female, but only trying to vent his hatred of women by attempting to post as one,thinking that somehow the wrath of the readers will not descend so harshly.

Actually, I was being sarcastic. I am indeed a female!

 

[neat62]

Actually, I was being sarcastic. I am indeed a female!

Don’t worry…I was called a “dude” too…because I don’t fall in line with the thoughts of the feminist movement…sigh…so much for “equality” huh?

 

[nannygirl]

I can take it even further…Christ gave us another example of our “roles” within the family when he gave us the Catholic Church…His spouse. Or also…the Body of Christ…with Him as the head. The Church must fully obey her spouse and go where the “head” of the Body directs it…which we know, He always directs the Church to our Heavenly Father, God.

As such, the husband, is the “head” of the family here on earth…and should always be directing us toward our Heavenly Father and the wife, as the spouse, follows willingly…while directing the children to do the same.

This is WHY men and women can’t be viewed as the “same” again, because our roles were designed to be different and Christ Himself, gave us the examples we are too follow…because He knew, on our own, we would get completely lost and screw it all up…and the feminist movement is an example of what happens when we cast out God’s plan…and create our own.

I couldn’t have said it better!

 

[Maxply]

You know, I guess I felt myself to be mature when I realized that men and women were not completely equal. . . in the sense of identical.

Equal in many things, apple to apple; but different in others, orange to apple. AND the KEY thing is to accept that the differences are perfectly OKAY and not bad. Women don’t have to be men to be “good” or “complete” or “right”, etc.

In fact, it’s even more important for men to realize this.

 

[Carolinagirl411]

Or more if God was to so bless me with them…I adore children and have wanted nothing more than to simply be a mommy…all my life.

Thank you!

that is very commendable and i envy you…(not in a sinful way I hope) lol…I’m not the typical girl I don’t think. I am a girl though and not a man haha

I never enjoyed playing house when I was little…I played teacher…I didn’t really play mommy nor did I dream of having children. I also never spent time dreaming of the perfect wedding. I hear girls talk about getting all gussied up and walking down the aisle and having lots of children…blech. I wish I thought like that sometimes.

I would prefer, me, my fiance, a priest, and some close family members, don’t give a care about a wedding dress especially if it is going to cost $600. Get it over with and start on with my life.

About children, I’ve never really liked kids. They annoy me, especially if they are too hyper. I was a very easy kid to get along with, my mom said, b/c i was always reading in my room, never making a noise. Even when I was a toddler, I was quiet. If I could have a kid like me then that would be great, but chances are I won’t. But I am envious of you b/c when I am married I have to be open to life. At least you want it. I don’t but have to do it anyway. I’m going to be a horrible mother and the children will be scarred for life. Which is sad b/c my mother was the epitome of mothers (besides Mary of course) in that she was always loving and self sacrificing. I don’t think this is feminism b/c I’m not radical at all. I disagree with it. I’m just saying ever since I was young I always felt uncomfortable around them. You learn by example and all of my family were loving and caring of children and all of my relatives were non feminists. But I Hated babysitting with a passion. It is my temperament and personality. My fiance doesn’t like them either so we really are going to be in trouble, but he is also open to life. Hope God changes us real quick.

 

[nannygirl]

You know, I guess I felt myself to be mature when I realized that men and women were not completely equal. . . in the sense of identical.

Equal in many things, apple to apple; but different in others, orange to apple. AND the KEY thing is to accept that the differences are perfectly OKAY and not bad. Women don’t have to be men to be “good” or “complete” or “right”, etc.

In fact, it’s even more important for men to realize this.

Very true. In my lifetime I have come across men who think that because they are the head of the family, it means that God thinks they are superior and women are lower than dirt. (Just look how women are treated in the Muslim culture- specifically in Afghanistan.) It is this attitude that created feminism, IMO.

 

[Maxply]

I’d just add that I feel we make a BIG mistake by using the standards of the marketplace (mainly personal income) as the chief determinant of an individual’s value.

EVERYONE, male and female, ends up feeling inferior this way. There are only so many big-buck legends. And it deprives true heroes and heroines of their just respect.

 

[nannygirl]

I never enjoyed playing house when I was little…I played teacher…I didn’t really play mommy nor did I dream of having children. I also never spent time dreaming of the perfect wedding. I hear girls talk about getting all gussied up and walking down the aisle and having lots of children…blech. I wish I thought like that sometimes.

About children, I’ve never really liked kids. They annoy me, especially if they are too hyper. I was a very easy kid to get along with, my mom said, b/c i was always reading in my room, never making a noise. Even when I was a toddler, I was quiet. If I could have a kid like me then that would be great, but chances are I won’t. But I am envious of you b/c when I am married I have to be open to life. At least you want it. I don’t but have to do it anyway. I’m going to be a horrible mother and the children will be scarred for life. Which is sad b/c my mother was the epitome of mothers (besides Mary of course) in that she was always loving and self sacrificing. I don’t think this is feminism b/c I’m not radical at all. I disagree with it. I’m just saying ever since I was young I always felt uncomfortable around them. You learn by example and all of my family were loving and caring of children and all of my relatives were non feminists. But I Hated babysitting with a passion. It is my temperament and personality. My fiance doesn’t like them either so we really are going to be in trouble, but he is also open to life. Hope God changes us real quick.

My mom says the same about me when I was young. I enjoyed being alone and always entertained myself reading or working puzzles. I was the oldest kid in our neighborhood, so I organized a lot of the play activities. We would play school and of course I was the teacher.

I also felt that way about kids. Not too wild about them, especially babies. That changed when I had my son. Later, when I was a Baptist, I taught pre-school Sunday school for several years and had a blast. I’m still uncomfortable around other people’s babies and toddlers (please don’t ask me to hold them!), but I did help raise my grandkids. It’s just different when they are your own.

It’s good that you’re open to life. The world needs more Catholics!!

 

[Calliso]

that is very commendable and i envy you…(not in a sinful way I hope) lol…I’m not the typical girl I don’t think. I am a girl though and not a man haha

I never enjoyed playing house when I was little…I played teacher…I didn’t really play mommy nor did I dream of having children. I also never spent time dreaming of the perfect wedding. I hear girls talk about getting all gussied up and walking down the aisle and having lots of children…blech. I wish I thought like that sometimes.

I would prefer, me, my fiance, a priest, and some close family members, don’t give a care about a wedding dress especially if it is going to cost $600. Get it over with and start on with my life.

About children, I’ve never really liked kids. They annoy me, especially if they are too hyper. I was a very easy kid to get along with, my mom said, b/c i was always reading in my room, never making a noise. Even when I was a toddler, I was quiet. If I could have a kid like me then that would be great, but chances are I won’t. But I am envious of you b/c when I am married I have to be open to life. At least you want it. I don’t but have to do it anyway. I’m going to be a horrible mother and the children will be scarred for life. Which is sad b/c my mother was the epitome of mothers (besides Mary of course) in that she was always loving and self sacrificing. I don’t think this is feminism b/c I’m not radical at all. I disagree with it. I’m just saying ever since I was young I always felt uncomfortable around them. You learn by example and all of my family were loving and caring of children and all of my relatives were non feminists. But I Hated babysitting with a passion. It is my temperament and personality. My fiance doesn’t like them either so we really are going to be in trouble, but he is also open to life. Hope God changes us real quick.

You sound a whole lot like me! I did play house occasionally as a kid though and playing teacher wasn;t my favorite thing usually either. I was more of the computer, and outdoor catching bugs and climbing trees kinda kid. I was also quiet and read a lot like you say you did though.

But yeah I never dreamed of my wedding either or thought of what I would wear and what not. Heck I never even thought I was going to be married…even now sometimes when I reflect it;s like wow I am actually married! Who would have thought?! And yeah we did have a very small ceremony with just a few family members it was great!

And I know what you mean about the kids thing. Now most of the time they don;t annoy me but when they start fussing. I think a crying screaming toddler would drive me crazy. Not to mention I am just not sure how to act around them sometimes. Though the funny thing is when I was younger I had some friends that were several years younger so I used to be very good with kids…not anymore I guess. Course me and my husband decided we will not have kids…for a list of reasons very long. Though we aren;t Catholic so we are not in the same situation as you as you have to be open to life. But really though why do you think you would be a horrible mother and they would be scarred for life? I mean that is one of my reasons I donlt want kids…but are you sure that you are just not worrying about it so much that you are thinking of a worse of the worst case scenerio?

 

[neat62]

that is very commendable and i envy you…(not in a sinful way I hope) lol…I’m not the typical girl I don’t think. I am a girl though and not a man haha

I never enjoyed playing house when I was little…I played teacher…I didn’t really play mommy nor did I dream of having children. I also never spent time dreaming of the perfect wedding. I hear girls talk about getting all gussied up and walking down the aisle and having lots of children…blech. I wish I thought like that sometimes.

I would prefer, me, my fiance, a priest, and some close family members, don’t give a care about a wedding dress especially if it is going to cost $600. Get it over with and start on with my life.

About children, I’ve never really liked kids. They annoy me, especially if they are too hyper. I was a very easy kid to get along with, my mom said, b/c i was always reading in my room, never making a noise. Even when I was a toddler, I was quiet. If I could have a kid like me then that would be great, but chances are I won’t. But I am envious of you b/c when I am married I have to be open to life. At least you want it. I don’t but have to do it anyway. I’m going to be a horrible mother and the children will be scarred for life. Which is sad b/c my mother was the epitome of mothers (besides Mary of course) in that she was always loving and self sacrificing. I don’t think this is feminism b/c I’m not radical at all. I disagree with it. I’m just saying ever since I was young I always felt uncomfortable around them. You learn by example and all of my family were loving and caring of children and all of my relatives were non feminists. But I Hated babysitting with a passion. It is my temperament and personality. My fiance doesn’t like them either so we really are going to be in trouble, but he is also open to life. Hope God changes us real quick.

Thank you.

As for a wedding, I am the same though…I do not wish you have an elaborate affair…as long as our parents are there and we have a full Mass - that is the most important factor to me. I don’t even care if we have a reception or not…its not something I have ever really desired or felt was very important.

Now…I think that your fears of motherhood…are totally natural. A lot of young girls that I know, have felt and do feel the same. In fact, one young girl was so nervous and worried that for a while, after she was married, her nerveousness actually kept her from becoming pregnant. Eventually, after almost two years, the young woman found herself pregnant and more scared then ever…but guess what? She’s now a wonderful mommy…and she adores her baby and is excited…all though not quite ready yet…she is excited at the prospects of having being blessed witih another.

I don’t think there is any trick to it…and please…don’t think that you will just be randomly given a child you can’t handle…remember, God only gives us what He knows we can!

I am fortunate, because I have been around children my whole life…I have 20 nieces and nephews who I love and cherish a great deal…have always called them “my babies” (I was the youngest and only girl in our family of six) so I have grown up babysitting or playing with little ones. Actually, I can honestly say, I am a lot more comfortable around children then I am around adults.

Thankfully, I have found a man who is as excited about children as I am…and as he stated, the whole story of how we met is certainly a “cool” one!

So we will see…hopefully, my dream will come true…but if, for whatever reason, I am not blessed with my own children…we are open completely to adopting…which I would like to do anyway…I hope to one day have a house filled with innocent, beautiful children, that we can teach to praise, honor and love God.

 

[Swan]

One of the more noted things that is done on the internet is people can pose as any character they wish to assume just for the fun of it and to harass and mislead others. It’s a safe way for racists, bigots and others to vent against people they hate/fear, all the while pretending to be from those groups. But usually it becomes quite easy to define who they are really, wouldn’t you say?

I would, indeed.

 

[nannygirl]

One of the more noted things that is done on the internet is people can pose as any character they wish to assume just for the fun of it and to harass and mislead others. It’s a safe way for racists, bigots and others to vent against people they hate/fear, all the while pretending to be from those groups. But usually it becomes quite easy to define who they are really, wouldn’t you say?

How do we know that you and Swan aren’t “posers”?

 

[leftistdestroye]

Carolinagirl411;3632274]

that is very commendable and i envy you…(not in a sinful way I hope) lol…I’m not the typical girl I don’t think. I am a girl though and not a man haha

I never enjoyed playing house when I was little…I played teacher…I didn’t really play mommy nor did I dream of having children. I also never spent time dreaming of the perfect wedding. I hear girls talk about getting all gussied up and walking down the aisle and having lots of children…blech. I wish I thought like that sometimes.

I would prefer, me, my fiance, a priest, and some close family members, don’t give a care about a wedding dress especially if it is going to cost $600. Get it over with and start on with my life.

About children, I’ve never really liked kids. They annoy me, especially if they are too hyper. I was a very easy kid to get along with, my mom said, b/c i was always reading in my room, never making a noise. Even when I was a toddler, I was quiet. If I could have a kid like me then that would be great, but chances are I won’t. But I am envious of you b/c when I am married I have to be open to life. At least you want it. I don’t but have to do it anyway. I’m going to be a horrible mother and the children will be scarred for life. Which is sad b/c my mother was the epitome of mothers (besides Mary of course) in that she was always loving and self sacrificing. I don’t think this is feminism b/c I’m not radical at all. I disagree with it. I’m just saying ever since I was young I always felt uncomfortable around them. You learn by example and all of my family were loving and caring of children and all of my relatives were non feminists. But I Hated babysitting with a passion. It is my temperament and personality. My fiance doesn’t like them either so we really are going to be in trouble, but he is also open to life. Hope God changes us real quick.

Well, this proves the drop in children I mentioned. I don’t like hemroids, but I never had any either.

 

[leftistdestroye]

Calliso;3632473]

You sound a whole lot like me! I did play house occasionally as a kid though and playing teacher wasn;t my favorite thing usually either. I was more of the computer, and outdoor catching bugs and climbing trees kinda kid. I was also quiet and read a lot like you say you did though.

But yeah I never dreamed of my wedding either or thought of what I would wear and what not. Heck I never even thought I was going to be married…even now sometimes when I reflect it;s like wow I am actually married! Who would have thought?! And yeah we did have a very small ceremony with just a few family members it was great!

And I know what you mean about the kids thing. Now most of the time they don;t annoy me but when they start fussing. I think a crying screaming toddler would drive me crazy. Not to mention I am just not sure how to act around them sometimes. Though the funny thing is when I was younger I had some friends that were several years younger so I used to be very good with kids…not anymore I guess. Course me and my husband decided we will not have kids…for a list of reasons very long. Though we aren;t Catholic so we are not in the same situation as you as you have to be open to life. But really though why do you think you would be a horrible mother and they would be scarred for life? I mean that is one of my reasons I donlt want kids…but are you sure that you are just not worrying about it so much that you are thinking of a worse of the worst case scenerio?

Just out of curiosity, can I ask your age, Calliso? If it matters, I am 34.