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nannygirl
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Which posts do you consider denigrating to women? I’m trying to figure out where you’re coming from. (Honest!)
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leftistdestroye
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That’s easy. Anything that he disagrees with.
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Tracyms1974
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I think you and I would make great friends. This has TOTALLY been my experience with other women, and sometimes, with guys. The only difference between you and me is that I always had marriage on the brain. I didn’t and still don’t like to be alone - not all the time, anyway. I thought marriage would solve a lot of my “man” problems. (Let’s just say that my vice was NOT drinking, smoking, gambling, or drugs. What does that leave?I played everything. I had no clue that playing house and playing war were considered games for different kids. I also worked and took care of a real house, or did my part, as did my fave bro, who is still a friend.
I loved babies and kitties and still do.
My dream wedding involves wild rosebushes, crocheted lace, and no groom. I don’t want to get married. It sounds horrible. But I do like pretty stuff. Just not all of it. And I get sick of the frilly business after a while.
When I was a Pentecostal and we had a party all the women sat on one end saying the same three things over and over: “My two-year-old is so active.”, “I was going to get my hair touched up.” and “This is good, who made it?” Not bad converation starters, but where I come from, a conversation goes somewhere, you don’t just say the same thing over and over. I’d try to respond conversationally: “They say two is a tough age.” “What do you call this stuff, anyway?” And be met with blank stares before the other women went back to endless repetitions. Well, I’d known women from many walks of life and never seen anything like that.
The men would stand on the other end bragging about fishing. I’d try to get in and they’d physically shut me out of the conversation. They’d close in and turn away from me. I just wanted to talk to folks. Even though I don’t fish. It’s too expensive. Sounds fun, though. It seemed to me the men had all the good times and the women lived in a glazed-over world where they didn’t even know they’d already said they were going to get their roots done.It’s better than that now. I had some good girlfriends at the old church, but they were sort of the tomboys of the group. There was so much pressure to get married. I thought about it all the time, wondering if I could stand it. It just sounded like a nightmare.
) It did for a while, but now I’m in a very sour marriage and it looks like I’m finally going to have to deal with those problems on my own. (More details upon request.) Anyway, my point is, you say you don’t want to get married. That’s fine, whatever you want to do. My concern would be that in not doing so, OR in not joining a religious order as a sister or a nun, you may be setting yourself up for daily temptation to you know - get some of that sweet stuff - unless for some reason you are not cursed with that problem. Me, I gambled one time (twice in my life) and I stopped when I lost $2.00. I was like - NO WAY. The devil knows that he will get nowhere with me in that regard. The only other alternative I see as reasonable to marriage or the religious life is working - like really working. Say for example if you worked for the FBI or were a doctor or very busy social worker, police officer, etc. and your job took up most of your time, then I’d say that dragging a family into that would be difficult AND at the same time, you’d be too busy to be tempted. I just thought I’d offer my two cents about that. Lemme stop this post before it gets too long to read. 
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None of us dislike or hate women. We just know that because of the differences, it is better if we have different roles. But, I would not expect a woman whose heyday was in the radical 70’s, to get that.
First of all, 1) It is not “hateful”, and 2) it is not “plain & simple”. None of us has this perspective out of hate for women. We love women or, love being a woman. How many times on this thread alone, have some women claimed to have let their emotions get the best of them? Right there is a difference between men and women. They have admitted it! It is well known that women prefer a male boss to a female boss? Why? Because women are different! "One female survey respondent said, “Men are generally more decisive, quicker and focused in their decisions. Women approach work with more emotion than men.”
None of us dislike or hate women. We just know that because of the differences, it is better if we have different roles. But, I would not expect a woman whose heyday was in the radical 70’s, to get that.
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Tracyms1974
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A lot has been deleted, but I think your attitude is generally negative and defeatist when it comes to employment. Yes, an employer can let you go at any time, but think about it all day and you’ll go nuts. I’m just now getting around to replying and I just don’t agree with you.
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neat62
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Not quite sure what you are referring to as to “a lot has been deleted”???
As far as my attitude towards employers goes…I have been one…have you? I know exactly what employers have to endure just to employ one person…all the costs, all the laws that have to be met, etc.
You don’t have to agree with me…but I would be hesitant to think that an “employer” owes me anything.
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I think you and I would make great friends. Cool… (Let’s just say that my vice was NOT drinking, smoking, gambling, or drugs. Not a point we have in common. I can barely go into a bar to make change without that little “voice” going on: You’ve never tried Guinness in a depth charge with Cuervo Gold, have you? … My concern would be that in not doing so, OR in not joining a religious order as a sister or a nun, you may be setting yourself up for daily temptation to you know - get some of that sweet stuff - unless for some reason you are not cursed with that problem. Quite the contrary. For every time I feel tempted, there are many times I want to throw up just remembering I used to do things like that. I actually struggle to accept the idea that God invented sexuality and that it’s basically a good thing. I feel more at peace when I forget all about it for a while. That’s one part of why I don’t want to be married. Freedom to change and be eccentric in my home is another. Privacy is a lot of it too. And the fact that I live efficiently and don’t need any amateurs messing with the system.
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SpiritMeadow
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Neat62 comes to mind as the worst offender in my book. but leftist seems very anti-women unless they remain in their proper place as he sees it. But my comment is directed specifically at neat62’s remarks which are utterly reprehensible in my opinion.
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SpiritMeadow
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Since you proport to speak for me, will you be taking care of my monthly bills as well?
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SpiritMeadow
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Anecdotal remarks are not evidence of anything. I appreciate that you love women who act as you desire them too. Wouldn’t we all like that. I am sure that separate but equal was okay with you, or would be should you have the opportunity to revisit that issue as well. You make a lot of statements about women that are singularly offensive and without basis in factual proof. Isn’t it grand when you can hide your bigotry behind an personal interpretation of one’s faith?
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It isn’t bigotry.
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neat62
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Of course it was…because afterall, you have accused me of being a liar, a man and not Catholic…should it surprise me or anyone at all that you would find my thoughts on the matter as reprehensible?
You have also demonstrated quite clearly that you enjoy “picking and choosing” what teachings of the Church to follow and which to ignore for the sake of living your life according to the secular world’s design…so again, is it a wonder you find my thoughts “offensive?”
Finally, you attempt to cast stones at those you don’t agree with, by claiming “you’re not Catholic” when someone brings up valid points you can’t refute intelligently…(by the way, this is a typical tactic of liberals, I see it all the time)…its just so much more convenient to go ahead and make those claims then it is to actually apply some common sense and THINK about what was stated and rationally respond, isn’t it?
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neat62
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Ahh…here’s an example of one of those “intelligent” responses…
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SpiritMeadow
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You are quite right. What I believe is the norm in the American church. It may be even more so in the European Church. You have no basis for claiming that the majority of catholics don’t know the “whole Truth of the faith” --that is based solely on your personal interpretation of what that Truth is, and I do not agree with your interpretation undoubtedly. I have not used the words “degenerate the sanctity of the family” and I have no idea what they even mean. I have never remarked about the “secular” world either. I have no intent to defend or attack Protestants either. And you are picking and choosing yourself, based on your personal interpretation.
The only slander I have perhaps committed is in calling you a man, though I don’t know why you would feel slandered if indeed you are a woman. Clearly from your statements you reject most women as flawed and evil. I would assume you wish you were not female, but perhaps that would be sinful by your standards, not being gratified that God had created you in the flawed manner you believe he did.
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neat62
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Ahh…and here we have more accusations, without merit and another example of how NOT to refute with common sense, but rather emotion and irrational thought, when you have nothing better to say…
And its quite funny that you mention “personal interpretation of one’s faith” when, by your own words, you have already admitted that you don’t agree with the Church’s stance on contraception and in fact, you said you see nothing wrong with using it.
Interesting…I guess that doesn’t fall into your defintion of personal interpretation??
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SpiritMeadow
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I was referring to the 60’s, not Margaret Sanger’s time.
I make no apologies for this. I think the Church is dead wrong.
Perhaps, but you cannot deny that the purpose of NFP is to avoid pregnancy. I don’t care how you word it, that is the bottom line. I doubt God sees much of a distinction.
They are not God’s teachings. They are man’s interpretation of what biblical writers said about some things. There is no clearcut statement in the bible about contraception. It never became an issue until modern times when science gave humans the choice to plan pregnancies according to their financial and other social circumstances. Let’s not bother with the usual inerrency debate okay?
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neat62
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I’ll respond to the above later…but as for what I consider women to be…If you also read further…you would have seen that I have expressed a great admiration and LOVE for the NEW EVE…the Blessed Mother and the ROLE she gave as an example to the world. But again, you choose instead to apply your selective reading skills…for the sake of what?? Doing what you can to “offend and insult” rather than actually discussing the matter in an intelligent manner.
You, my dear, are the one that has put blinders are so that you see the world only as you want…and then have the gall to expect everyone else to view it the same.
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SpiritMeadow
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you are adding them all as singular events when they all revolve around one issue.I have claimed that you MAY not be female at all. If so, that would be the lie, and I have said that your remarks regarding Eve and equality are not Catholic. That does not accuse you of not being a member of the Church.
I take no enjoyment out of disagreeing with the church in any respect. I wish it were otherwise. I am not living my live according to secular designs. I am well past child bearing age. 85% of all Catholics practice contraception. I also don’t like the church’s stance on gays either. I am not gay, so again I am not espousing a belief that allows me to live my life in some secular way. I read Jesus’ teaching radically different that you do.
Again, I have said that someone’s remarks are not Catholic in terms of what is taught by the Church. They are quite a good deal more radical. That is not calling someone NOT Catholic. You should learn the difference. Now who is refuting points by making generalized sterotypical remarks? The liberal world is vast and covers a lot of territory. Liberals disagree among themselves on a huge array of issues. I always favor rationalism rather than bigotry myself. I have not called anyone a wackjob here, but your co-editor certainly has. Could you two be husband and wife?
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SpiritMeadow
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Evolution had more to do with it I would say. To project that God created different sexes and therefore there is some meaning in that is a stretch. Exactly why did God in your opinion create two different sexes. You seem to think it was for a reason. what exactly is it.?
continual use of liberal, elitist works fine with those who agree with you. They are fairly meaningless pejoratives to everyone else. How can someone who believes that both sexes are equal be elitist? LOL…
you have failed to explain what it means to be unequal? And you don’t define what it means to be “equal in dignity” either. And what example are you suggesting that the holy Family shows us?
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