Fess Up! Do You Really Know What's Going On In the Latin Mass?

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Kouyate42 said:
I’m going to be a show-off here- I can understand the Latin Mass in the entirety, as I know fluent Church and Classical Latin.
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Very cool. Does it take away the mystery for you? Do you see a difference between attending a mass said in the vernacular and a Latin mass since you understand it? And I don’t mean the form.
 
No one is going to understand, and follow, the Gregorian Rite the first time. No matter how much one prepares to do so.

What helped me is learning the priest’s rubrics. If I lose my place in the missal, I can look at the priest and see where he is. Where he is standing, his posture, and so forth.

Took me a bout 20 Masses, but now I can follow right along.
 
20 is pretty good.

What threw me off right away was no asperges. From then on I didn’t know where I was lol.
 
TrueLight said:
Latin Mass, Tridentine Mass, Extraordinary Mass… .Whatever you want to call it.

It’s beautiful, mysterious and reverent.

But do you really understand what’s going on?
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No. I attend the above only if it is part of another function.

I know my ignorance is astounding, but I prefer mass in english, the only language I understand.
 
TrueLight said:
20 is pretty good.

What threw me off right away was no asperges. From then on I didn’t know where I was lol.
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I’d love to have it before every Mass, but the Asperges Me is not technically part of the Mass.

Incidentally it may be done at the OF but you probably already knew that.
 
ProVobis said:
I’d love to have it before every Mass, but the Asperges Me is not technically part of the Mass.

Incidentally it may be done at the OF but you probably already knew that.
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True, and also the Leonine prayers following Low Mass are not part of the Mass.

I’ve never seen them omitted though.
 
TrueLight said:
Latin Mass, Tridentine Mass, Extraordinary Mass… .Whatever you want to call it.

It’s beautiful, mysterious and reverent.

But do you really understand what’s going on?

Yesterday I went to a Latin mass armed with my missalette. A week earlier I had purchased a book called the Latin Mass Explained by moorman. This was my third Latin mass. The last one I had attended was about a month ago. I felt confident that I knew and understood a lot more than I did a month ago.

Then why was I still lost?
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I get what you are saying here. I found myself buried in the Missal than knowing whats going on during the Mass. And at times I don’t know if I’m on the same page. The other people are following well, so I follow them if they sit, stand or kneel. But still, I don’t like not being in-sync of where the Mass is.
 
Also wanted to add that even after one can follow along, the Sacred Mysteries remain mysteries 😉
 
I don’t follow along at any form of the Mass. Instead, I just join my soul in prayer with the priest, so that even if my human understanding gets lost, my soul is still immersed in prayer.

I can’t even follow along in a book with the Mass in English - I still end up five pages behind, even in English - I wouldn’t even attempt it with the Mass in Latin. I find that I can pray it much more fruitfully, regardless of the language or style, if I listen to the priest and observe what he is doing, rather than try to read along with a book. With the Latin, I leave it to others to know the responses, or when to sit and stand - I usually just stay kneeling and quiet, during the Latin Mass.
 
TrueLight said:
Very cool. Does it take away the mystery for you? Do you see a difference between attending a mass said in the vernacular and a Latin mass since you understand it? And I don’t mean the form.
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I notice some differences in the sense of some sentences, usually because ANY translation isn’t going to reflect the original perfectly, no matter how good or knowledgable the translator is.

And I don’t think understanding the Latin Mass in any way makes it a poorer experience or take away the mystery.
ProVobis said:
Will you teach us then? 🙂
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😃

I’m actually in the process of setting up my own website for learning Latin. I’ll be sure to include some stuff on the Latin Mass/Vulgate.
 
I understand Latin enough to follow the Ordinary quite well. For the Propers I need a missal. As to “understanding” or “conceptualizing” the true reality of what is transpiring invisibly (i.e. participating in the heavenly Liturgy with the whole heavenly host, etc.) I don’t think I will fully comprehend that in this life.
 
While I see nothing intrinsically wrong with people wanting to go to Latin Mass ; but I’m fairly sure the first christians were not speaking Latin at their services. Aslo the first manifestation of the Holy Spirit after Christ assended into heaven was to have the word of God spoken and everyone heard it in their own Tongue. I for one want to be able to understand every word of what is being said and would like those less able to memorise or learn latin to do so as well. I believe that God does not want to be a MYSTERY to us and he sent his SON among us so he would be known to us through CHRIST who also did not speak latin. Our religion should be as natural to us as breathing and anything that places a barrier between us and God should be avoided.

I’m glad that you folks can be spiritually lifted by Mass but don’t believe that the unlearned masses don’t get the same lift in regular services. I for one dont need the creation of some other wordly environment in order to feel Christ in action in the Mass.

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thirddec said:
While I see nothing intrinsically wrong with people wanting to go to Latin Mass ; but I’m fairly sure the first christians were not speaking Latin at their services. Aslo the first manifestation of the Holy Spirit after Christ assended into heaven was to have the word of God spoken and everyone heard it in their own Tongue. I for one want to be able to understand every word of what is being said and would like those less able to memorise or learn latin to do so as well. I believe that God does not want to be a MYSTERY to us and he sent his SON among us so he would be known to us through CHRIST who also did not speak latin. Our religion should be as natural to us as breathing and anything that places a barrier between us and God should be avoided.

I’m glad that you folks can be spiritually lifted by Mass but don’t believe that the unlearned masses don’t get the same lift in regular services. I for one dont need the creation of some other wordly environment in order to feel Christ in action in the Mass.

🤷
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Very nice post…👍👍

I beleive that your post speaks to the very heart of the need for both forms of mass. Each with it’s own beauty and each speaking to a particular group or spirituality. Just as the OF gives you what you need in “your tongue” (that is in your needs and desires), so the EF gives others what they need in “their tongue” (their particular needs and desires).

The Holy Father was most wise in making the EF more widely available.

Peace
James
 
ProVobis said:
And you know this for a fact?

It seems it would have made the inscription on top of the Cross pointless.
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I think the essential point was that Jesus did not establish the Latin Mass - that came much later. The Mass was originally in Aramaic, and then later in Greek, and only after that (and only in the West), in Latin.
 
thirddec said:
While I see nothing intrinsically wrong with people wanting to go to Latin Mass ; but I’m fairly sure the first christians were not speaking Latin at their services. Aslo the first manifestation of the Holy Spirit after Christ assended into heaven was to have the word of God spoken and everyone heard it in their own Tongue. I for one want to be able to understand every word of what is being said and would like those less able to memorise or learn latin to do so as well. I believe that God does not want to be a MYSTERY to us and he sent his SON among us so he would be known to us through CHRIST who also did not speak latin. Our religion should be as natural to us as breathing and anything that places a barrier between us and God should be avoided.

I’m glad that you folks can be spiritually lifted by Mass but don’t believe that the unlearned masses don’t get the same lift in regular services. I for one dont need the creation of some other wordly environment in order to feel Christ in action in the Mass.

🤷
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I like the Latin but more importantly I like the rituals/ form. I would be okay with an English mass in an EF. If the mass feels like a Protestant service then I’d rather be in the Protestant service.

Not to say there aren’t reverent or Solemn OF masses. One church I attend has both forms and the OF mass has some things said in Latin.

On another note, I attended a TLM and I was not lost for the most part. :).

I got lost a little bit at the end where an “Et Verbum caro factum est” seemed to come out of nowhere and I missed the genuflection.
 
well im led to believe the inscription on the cross was written in 3 languages but I can research that. But you really believe that Christ spoke latin at the last supper. ???

well you’ve put a smile on my face 😃

ps that didnt take long

christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-t001.html

:If we put all of this together, it is highly probable that the board with the inscriptions looked as shown below, with the Latin written first, probably at the top, and then either the Greek or the Hebrew
 
QuestIon about the kyrie that comes right after the introit. At today’s mass, the schola sang the first line and the congregation responded. Then we alternated.

The missalette says the priest sings and the schola responds. Is this a matter of preference?

Also I think I’ve heard different musical versions of the kyrie. Is there a range of versions to choose one or is it always the same in the TLM?
 
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