Fiddleback Vestments

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He previously used a crystal chalice which I’m not sure is kosher, but it was better than this clay thing.

He also has been known to drop the word “Father” from the Eucharistic Prayers and instead of “…for us men…” during the Creed he practically shouts over the congregation “…for us HUMANS…” And then there’s the inventing of his own prayers and other ad-libbing nonsense.

On the plus side, it’s like a whole new Mass everytime I attend. :rolleyes:
 
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He previously used a crystal chalice which I’m not sure is kosher, but it was better than this clay thing.

He also has been known to drop the word “Father” from the Eucharistic Prayers and instead of “…for us men…” during the Creed he practically shouts over the congregation “…for us HUMANS…” And then there’s the inventing of his own prayers and other ad-libbing nonsense.

On the plus side, it’s like a whole new Mass everytime I attend. :rolleyes:
They’re to be unbreakable. We’ve had priests in the diocese who swear that Waterford Crystal fits the bill of unbreakable. I’ve got to run over there and see what’s happened since our new bishop has arrived.

I’ve got to say since the new bishop arrived a lot of the improprieties have been hidden. It’s going to take him awhile to find them all. It’s funny to see the priests who never wore their clerics suddenly get them out. I’m not sure how they fit so well after all of those years!
 
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They’re to be unbreakable. We’ve had priests in the diocese who swear that Waterford Crystal fits the bill of unbreakable. I’ve got to run over there and see what’s happened since our new bishop has arrived.

I’ve got to say since the new bishop arrived a lot of the improprieties have been hidden. It’s going to take him awhile to find them all. It’s funny to see the priests who never wore their clerics suddenly get them out. I’m not sure how they fit so well after all of those years!
I blame this plague of clay chalices on that hideous OCP song Earthen Vessels. “There is a treasure not made of gold…” Ugh. Makes me want to grab someone’s hand and say the Our Father. 😉

I’m holding out hope for our Coadjutor Bishop who takes over in about two years. Some people in the diocese are already sniping at him, calling him “conservative” and “pre-Vatican II.” :bigyikes: He did work with Archbishop Burke in St. Louis before coming here, so I’m cautiously optimistic.

Anyway, I’ve strayed wildly from the topic. My opinion on vestments is they should reflect the majesty of what is taking place on the altar. They should not reflect some misty-eyed attempt to recapture a romanticized “early church” look that never really existed anyway. Call me crazy, but I don’t think polyester was available to the early church.
 
From a post that I wrote on this topic previously:

The kinds of chasubles were distinguished by the cut of the fabric. These come immediately to mind:
  • fiddle-back } {
  • square-back ]
(both of the above are also sometimes referred to as Roman style)
  • conical / \
  • gothicc / \
(both of the above are sometimes referred to as Gothic style - with the conical sometimes also termed “semi-gothic” and the other “full” or “ample” gothic; in distinguishing the two, gothic is a narrower oval than the conical; looked at from the back and spread out, it is maybe the difference between 135 degrees of a circle versus 180 degrees of same)

Here’s a photo of a fiddle-back; note that it is in the front of the vestment that the distinctive fiddle-back outline appears; it gave the priest easier range of arm motion than did the square-back, which lacked the curvature in front to accomodate his arms. This is a good photo of a square-back, another photo of a square-back is here, interesting for its peculiar history.

The difference between the conical and gothic can hopefully be seen in these two photos.

There were also distinctions once made by styles common to various countries, but those are pretty uncommon now. Here’s a site that displays drawings of these:

St. Benet’s Guild

In Eastern Catholic and Orthodox Churches of the Byzantine Rite, the name for the equivalent vestment is the phelonion (spelling may vary slightly among different ethnic groups within the Byzantine tradition). You can see examples here of Greek and of Russian phelonions, they are the outermost of the vestments displayed; note that the major difference is that the upper front section of the Russian vestments is cut slightly higher than are those of the Greek.

Many years,

Neil
 
It doesn’t make any difference to me as the vestments are not part of the matter, form, or intent of the Mass. As long as they’re clothed in something that would please God and do the Mass properly I don’t really care.
 
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