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As Catholics,

how will you personally feel as you witness sinners such as myself burning in hell?
Will you be happy that the earth will be cleansed of the impure?
Will you feel sadness or pity for unfortunates like me?

Is it morally correct that disbelivers should be condemned to suffering for all eternity?
 
As Catholics,

how will you personally feel as you witness sinners such as myself burning in hell?
Will you be happy that the earth will be cleansed of the impure?
Will you feel sadness or pity for unfortunates like me?

Is it morally correct that disbelivers should be condemned to suffering for all eternity?
Del… I don’t know much, and most likely less then yourself but I think once those of us who are worthly enough (and I don’t particularily place myself in this category) to be in heaven will simply accept the judgement of the Lord and pay you no more nevermind.
 
As Catholics,

Is it morally correct that disbelivers should be condemned to suffering for all eternity?
why don’t you ask someone who actually believes this, instead of talking to Catholics, who don’t believe this. if you are genuinely interested in the truth about Catholic teaching on salvation, ie, who makes it to heaven, search on that topic, esp. on the homepage.
 
As Catholics,

how will you personally feel as you witness sinners such as myself burning in hell?
Will you be happy that the earth will be cleansed of the impure?
Will you feel sadness or pity for unfortunates like me?

Is it morally correct that disbelivers should be condemned to suffering for all eternity?
how will you personally feel as you witness sinners such as myself burning in hell?

Actually those in Gods glory will not see those in hell… Lazaurus man did not see rich man…

Will you be happy that the earth will be cleansed of the impure?
Will you feel sadness or pity for unfortunates like me?


Sadness does not exist in heaven, however those in hell will have some conscienceness of those in heaven… i e. the richman was able to have knowledge of Lazarus.

Is it morally correct that disbelivers should be condemned to suffering for all eternity

Can we live our lives without rules and consequences? If no consequences exist for our actions/choices, what is to spare me from killing my neighbor or living a life from beginning to end with the utmost sin and plessure. If death is the final act as a human, why would anyone bother being good?
 
As Catholics,

how will you personally feel as you witness sinners such as myself burning in hell?
Will you be happy that the earth will be cleansed of the impure?
Will you feel sadness or pity for unfortunates like me?

Is it morally correct that disbelivers should be condemned to suffering for all eternity?
The Eastern Orthodox Church explains hell as the subjective experience of God. In the Bible, the Holy Spirit is called fire. This is not speculation. Many people experience a feeling of burning when encountering the Holy Spirit here, on earth. When those who love God with all of their hearts die, the fire of God is already in their spirits, and the presence of God is glorious. When those who hate God die, that same fire feels painful to them.

So, the difference in experience of a person in “heaven” and in “hell” is directly related to that individual’s desire or lack thereof for God. After we die, we leave this body and place where we are hidden from the presence of God’s light. There is no longer anywhere to hide. I personally believe that many people who die outside of the Church will do so because of wrong ideas about God, but will have enough love inside of them to experience suffering temporally, as purgatory, before their wrong ideas about God are changed.

Because I know that God is the epitome of justice and mercy, I know that He cannot be more merciful or more just than I. Therefore, I know that it would be impossible for me to be in heaven and to look upon a person who is separated from God and to feel any sense that somehow this person is not exactly where they belong.

I do not feel any sense of sorrow for those who are truly wicked suffering in hell. People who kill children, for example, deserve to be in hell. God would be quite unjust if He forced those children to spend eternity with their (unrepentant) murderers, don’t you agree?

My favorite book on hell is C.S Lewis’ book The Great Divorce. If you truly wish to understand hell, I suggest looking into it.
 
As Catholics,

how will you personally feel as you witness sinners such as myself burning in hell?
Will you be happy that the earth will be cleansed of the impure?
Will you feel sadness or pity for unfortunates like me?

Is it morally correct that disbelivers should be condemned to suffering for all eternity?

Jesus regularly talks about “Gehenna”. Gehenna was the Jewish Hell, sort of - the name is taken from that of the Valley of Hinnom, which was used as Jerusalem’s rubbish dump. It was burned; centuries before, the valley had been used for the practice of human sacrifice; something utterly forbidden - which is why some OT kings are severely criticised, either for not suppressing it, or for doing it themselves.​

Although one must be careful of pressing comparisons too far, this suggests that Jesus (& His contemporaries) thought of Hell as something like a rubbish-dump; if so, it would be outside the heavenly Jerusalem; not part of it.

And a rubbish-dump is for remains, left-overs, stuff that useless. Which suggests that this is what the damned are: remains, rubbish; that they are not men, but the remains of men - ex-men, in fact: not human beings, but ex-human rubbish, fit only for burning. The real life is in the heavenly city - those there have come in from the outside; they have no concern with the rubbish smouldering away outside.

If this right at all, then one of the features of Hell is its finality - the story’s over for the damned; they are not even men, so they have no future as men. So there is no comparison between heaven & hell: the Blessed have Life, in all its fullness - the damned are so dead, that their existence is not even a human one in any sense worth talking about; ours is. There is no point in pitying the damned - even were it possible. Who pities rubbish ? Jesus Christ is the Saviour of men - not of the contents of their rubbish-bins. Something similar is true here AFAICS.

I don’t think the Blessed give the damned a thought, let alone pity them - besides, they are getting what they wanted: their own will. If they don’t like it, that is no fault of God. Hell is the supreme punishment of sin, & sin is so great an evil that no other can compare with it: God is very clearly against all sins in all forms; all of us, no matter what our culture or religion, are warned in many different ways; if we prefer our wills to His, why blame Him ? No one is damned except by his own fault - everyone in Hell deserves to be; all men do. So it was in principle a sound instinct that led some writers to suggest that one of the joys of heaven would be the misery of the damned - it may sound unkind, but it is a good thing that the damned are damned, for this is just: so it is worthy of a Just God. Mercy is a greater justice - but it is possible to be unable to receive it: & then, only avenging Justice remains. 😦 :eek:

That’s partly why the Book of Revelation shows the joy of the Blessed at the punishment of the wicked - for it would be dreadful if sin, which is both idolatry, & enmity to God, were to have the last word. Because of Christ’s defeat of sin, it can’t & won’t.

Any of us can be or may be damned - a great help to avoiding Hell after death, is to go there spiritually during this life. This is also a help against rash judgement of others: for many who seem to be unbelievers may be far nearer Christ than many of us professing Christians. I strongly recommend C.S.Lewis’ book “The Problem of Pain” - he used to be a non-believer. The chapters in the book on Heaven & Hell (in that order) deserve to be known by heart. 🙂

Hell is very terrible - let’s be clear about that: it is in no way inescapable. There are far better & more important things to fill our hearts & minds with 😃
 
I would suggest “The Great Divorce” by C.S. Lewis. It gives an excellent view of eternity. BTW, hell is not a condemnation from God but a choice by the sinner.
 
As Catholics,

how will you personally feel as you witness **sinners such as myself **burning in hell?
Will you be happy that the earth will be cleansed of the impure?
Will you feel sadness or pity for unfortunates like me?

Is it morally correct that **disbelivers **should be condemned to suffering for all eternity?
Just a few verses:

2 Cor 6:2
“…behold, **now **is the accepted time
behold, **now **is the day of salvation”

-**fortunately **there is ***still ***time to repent-

Jer 26:13
“Therefore **now **amend your ways and your doings and obey the voice of the LORD your God and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you”

Rom 10:9 “…if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord,
and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead
you will be saved”

-but if not-

John 10:26 “…you do not believe because you are not of My sheep”

-then, at some appointed time, this ***could ***happen-

Mat 13:42
“And shall cast them into **a furnace of fire ** there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth”

-to pray for it not to happen-
 
how will you personally feel as you witness sinners such as myself burning in hell?
The only ones witnessing others burning in Hell are those who are also there. And, if any of us is in Hell with you, I believe you would not be our main concern.
Will you be happy that the earth will be cleansed of the impure?
Those in Heaven are in perfect bliss-- the Beatific Vision-- because they are in union with God.
Will you feel sadness or pity for unfortunates like me?
There are no tears in Heaven.

Those in Hell deliberately chose separation from God.
Is it morally correct that disbelivers should be condemned to suffering for all eternity?
We are not God. We make no moral judgment on people and your construct has no relevance pertaining to God himself. God-- who creates all things and sustains them by his Will alone-- is owed everything by us. Since he is all good and loving, he allows us free will and would never take away the choice of those who choose separation from God.
 
As Catholics,

how will you personally feel as you witness sinners such as myself burning in hell?

<Right now living on earth I feel great sorrow at the thought of any person choosing hell and pray that all souls will accept God’s grace and choose heaven. In Heaven (which I hope to see, please God), my will shall be utterly at one with God’s, and so the eyes I see with will be totally confirmed to His perfect vision. So whatever I might ‘see’ in heaven I will understand with the infinite knowledge of Almighty God. He is totally just and totally merciful.>

Will you be happy that the earth will be cleansed of the impure?
< I will be whatever God chooses me to be, for He is perfectly just and perfectly merciful. >

Will you feel sadness or pity for unfortunates like me?

Is it morally correct that disbelivers should be condemned to suffering for all eternity?
<This is not exactly what happens. Disbelievers choose disbelief over belief. That has a consequence. Disbelievers who knowingly reject God (as opposed to those who do not, who never ‘heard’ of God for example) condemn themselves to absence from God–freely. God does not condemn them. They would rather suffer than love God, and they do so with full knowledge and full consent. Nobody is condemned unfairly (since people freely condemn themselves)>./quote]
 
As Catholics,

how will you personally feel as you witness sinners such as myself burning in hell?
Will you be happy that the earth will be cleansed of the impure?
Will you feel sadness or pity for unfortunates like me?

Is it morally correct that disbelivers should be condemned to suffering for all eternity?
Morally correct…yes.

Pity & sadness, yes…but why would any of us rejoice in the loss of any soul?

You might encounter someone out there who might claim they would be happy to see “the earth will be cleansed of the impure”, but that wouldn’t be an authentic Christian response.

Just remember that in that final analysis that result will be one’s own decision. Something to consider…
 
warspeedpetey,
thanks for the advice again.🙂

144,000- thats what it says in revelations.Why do mormons belive that this is the number and not catholics. If its in the book then that should be it- shouldnt it?

Hope im not sounding like im mocking anyone. Since coming on this forum i have a good undrstnding of what its like to be mocked. However i will not be put off.

Im away to check out my new thread before warspeedpetey tells me to look it up again…👍
 
warspeedpetey,
thanks for the advice again.🙂

144,000- thats what it says in revelations.Why do mormons belive that this is the number and not catholics. If its in the book then that should be it- shouldnt it?:
What are you talking about? The number 144,000 has nothing to do with heaven or hell. The number is from Revelations and relates to the 12 tribes of Israel.

BTW, that Bible verse you have on your signature contains a quite advanced and profound level of truth. Better to drink milk before cutting teeth so not to choke on the meat.
 
warspeedpetey,
thanks for the advice again.🙂

144,000- thats what it says in revelations.Why do mormons belive that this is the number and not catholics. If its in the book then that should be it- shouldnt it?

Hope im not sounding like im mocking anyone. Since coming on this forum i have a good undrstnding of what its like to be mocked. However i will not be put off.

Im away to check out my new thread before warspeedpetey tells me to look it up again…👍
I always have to flip a coin as to cry or chuckle at the problems that extend from ignorant understanding of scripture and literalism that Mormons and non-Catholics who call themselves Christian get into (and some poorly catechised Catholics).

Fundamentalism and rebellion of Apostolic Authority and pride are at the root of all these sort of errors. The 144,000 is “a gross” (12x12). It pertains to a fulfillment of the Jews - a perfect fulfillment in 12 sets from each of the 12 Jewish tribes. It has NOTHNG to do with the total number of human souls saved in heaven except in the sense that it conveys fullness of salvation and ancient promise for those who Trust in The Lord. We are told Abraham’s’ descendants are to be as the stars of heaven and as uncountable as the sand on the shore. Read on in revelation and tell me what the number is of those dressed in robes of white who have purified themselves in the blood of the lamb. It is an uncountable multitude.

*Rev 7:9
After these things I looked, and behold, **a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation **and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; 10 and they cry out with a loud voice, saying,
“Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.” *

Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons and a few others play on the fear factor of the 144,000 saved literalism to recruit MILLIONS! LOL 😃

This may account for why these denomination excommunicate old dead members to make room in heaven for new recruits who have to stand in line for decades hoping they get pulled into heaven as others get bumped out. 😃 I am not kidding here. It’s insane that these whack jobs believe this stuff. They can’t make the connection that their literal read leaves the gross majority of their 12 million member congregation short of heaven or waiting in line for someone to fall from heaven.

Pay no mind to the ignorance of plausible liars and functional idiots when it comes to teachings outside of the Catholic Church.

James
 
Dalberto, Dude, if you end up in hell it will be your choice, not mine. If you get what you want and choose, why should it bother me? It is sad of course, but it is all in your hands.No one, not even God would force you into hell, unless you decided that you preferred other things than the route to heaven and eternal bliss. To paraphrase a popular political comment, “Burn Baby, Burn.” Hope you change your mind in time.👍
 
As Catholics,

how will you personally feel as you witness sinners such as myself burning in hell?
What does it matter?
Will you be happy that the earth will be cleansed of the impure?
Will you feel sadness or pity for unfortunates like me?
What does it matter to you?
Is it morally correct that disbelivers should be condemned to suffering for all eternity?
Truth is truth whether you choose to believe it or not. It doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks. Won’t change a thing.
 
As Catholics,

how will you personally feel as you witness sinners such as myself burning in hell?
Will you be happy that the earth will be cleansed of the impure?
Will you feel sadness or pity for unfortunates like me?

Is it morally correct that disbelivers should be condemned to suffering for all eternity?
I don’t know God’s plan. Salvation is a gift of God’s grace…perhaps He will give that to you…how do you know He won’t? Btw, why do you think you’ll be burning in hell?

Sincerely,
 
We are all ultimately good, but we also have “impurities” as you say. It is these impurities that cause us torment. Those open to the love of God will have the impurities purged away, leaving the good transfigured. However, those who choose to obstinately cling to those “impurities” rather than receive the love of God (and love is freely given and freely received) are left with their torments.
 
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