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Fifteen months after the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum: has your diocese officially said a big, fat, NOTHING about it??
Has silence been the reaction?
Has silence been the reaction?
Fifteen months after the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum: has your diocese officially said a big, fat, NOTHING about it??
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Ite_ad_Ioseph
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I am in the Diocese of Steubenville. Bishop Conlon has said nothing about it. I am in the process of having the TLM in my church with the older priest who lives in the rectory. I have go to the once-a-month TLM in Wheeling to attend it.
but from the bishop a BIG FAT GOOSE EGG.
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but from the bishop a BIG FAT GOOSE EGG.
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brotherhrolf
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Here in Baton Rouge, my bishop merely “acknowledged” it. Bureaucratic “kiss of death”. We have the old indult parish with a Low Mass on Sunday and that’s it.
My pastor says the TLM privately. I have offered my services as either an altar server or a member of the schola and nothing has happened.
Two weeks after the MP, the diocesan chancellor published an editorial in the diocesan newspaper railing aginst the MP and saying that “no one wants the TLM”. I suspect that between the acknowledgment and the editorial, a vast chilling effect was produced.
My pastor says the TLM privately. I have offered my services as either an altar server or a member of the schola and nothing has happened.
Two weeks after the MP, the diocesan chancellor published an editorial in the diocesan newspaper railing aginst the MP and saying that “no one wants the TLM”. I suspect that between the acknowledgment and the editorial, a vast chilling effect was produced.
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Lainey63
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Maybe there is some way that you can either get together with a priest who will work with you or start something on your own gathering signatures of people who want the TLM…a website or an ad or article in the paper you just mentioned. Maybe the Bishop just doesn’t know that there really is a desire for TLM
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maurin
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In the Diocese of Palm Beach the silence has been so loud it is deafening. Except for the Pastor of my local Parish who told me, “when I’m dead you can have the TLM here.”
Please pray the Rosary for the lifting of the excommunications from the Bishops of the Society of Saint Pius X, and for a full integration of the Society into the life of the Church. Christ graciously hear us, Mary Seat of Wisdom pray for us, Father Almighty have mercy on us.
Please pray the Rosary for the lifting of the excommunications from the Bishops of the Society of Saint Pius X, and for a full integration of the Society into the life of the Church. Christ graciously hear us, Mary Seat of Wisdom pray for us, Father Almighty have mercy on us.
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bkovacs
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Yeah the majority of the clergy and head ecclesial ministers in the Philadelphia Archdiocese have said not one thing. Except, “We don’t want the Latin Mass”. “We don’t want the priest to turn his back on us”. Not truly understanding the reason he does that in the Latin Mass. And “We like our Mass just the way it is”. “Extra Ordinary Eucharistic ministers, Altar Girls”. “Contemporary music, with guitars, and drums”. “We love the Pope”. But not the Extraordinary Form of the Mass that he has provided for those who do want it.!.
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Timothysis
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What does this have to do with the subject at hand? The Bishops of the Society of Saint Pius X were excommunicated for disobedience in their ordinations, not the Latin Mass. Do you pray that the excommunications of all those involved in disobedience against the Holy Father and Holy Mother Church be lifted??? Why?
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Lainey63
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tee_eff_em
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What should I expect my diocese to say?
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Pius_IX
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I dont recall any statement about it (I could be wrong - I just moved back here) from Bishop Pilarczyk here in the Archdiocese of Cincinnati. At any rate, they do not offer it at my own Church (and my priest is fairly orthodox), nor does it seem very widespread here.
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Timothysis
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Good question. Here in Baton Rouge St Agnes has had the indult Latin Mass since 1983. I’ve never heard anything about it anywhere else but I don’t suspect that it is because of some conspiracy. Many just happen to refuse to believe that there probably isn’t too much demand for the latin Mass here in the U.S.
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brotherhrolf
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Tim, when we joined the cathedral parish in 1983, there were 200 parishoners. We now have close to 2,000 families registered. I can’t help but think that we offer a reverent NO and the choir chants and sings in Latin except when the Bishop comes ( Christmas, the Triduum, and Pentecost excepted) has contributed to the expansion. I don’t believe Fr. Carville’s editorial. A Missa Cantata or a Solemn High Mass once a month at the cathedral with choir/schola would attract large numbers.
The cathedral parish has been a bastion of traditonal Catholicism even during the years when we were forbidden to sing in Latin (1984 - 1992). It took the Cardinal Archbishop of Lyons, France to depart from the script and give the Apostolic Blessing in Latin at the bicentennial celebration before we realized what had been lost.
Our good bishop started his career as chaplain at my Catholic boy’s high school in New Orleans back in 1970 (where we had our roots ripped out and replaced by a’strummin’ and a’grinnin’). If you don’t think Fr. Carville’s editorial in the Commentator didn’t have a chilling effect, think again. Conspiracy? No.
I’ve offered Father my services as either a server (I was an altar boy up until 1968) or as a member of a schola (I sang in the cathedral choir for 20 years). Father regularly posts in our bulletin that he says the TLM privately.
St. Pat’s in NO is packed to overflowing on Sunday. Solemn High Mass with schola and choir. NO in Latin following. You can’t tell me that the folks here in Baton Rouge are any different.
One week after our bishop “acknowledged” the Motu Proprio, Fr. Carville published a scathing editorial in which he said “nobody wanted this”. Fr. Carville is at Christ the King on LSU` and CTK has never been known as a bastion of traditional Catholicism.
That editiorial may have represented Fr. Carville’s opinions but couple it with the bishop’s “acknowledgement” and conjure up the image of a huge wet blanket.
Conspiracy? No. Getting the bishop’s feelings out there? Yes.
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barb_finnegan
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Our Bishop in Syracuse has said nothing about it-he’s been sick.
We used to have the FSSP priests come twice a month-sometimes more than that-but they don’t come anymore. I think someone ‘put a bug’ in the ear of the Chancery, and that’s why they haven’t come since June! I miss them!
Now we have a couple diocesan priests say it. One used to have a parish west of my hometown, but he wasn’t given an assignment after his previous parish merged. So he’s on a year’s assignment as a chaplain and teacher at the FSSP’s St. Gregory’s Academy in PA. The other priest who comes is retired from the Albany diocese.
We used to have the FSSP priests come twice a month-sometimes more than that-but they don’t come anymore. I think someone ‘put a bug’ in the ear of the Chancery, and that’s why they haven’t come since June! I miss them!
Now we have a couple diocesan priests say it. One used to have a parish west of my hometown, but he wasn’t given an assignment after his previous parish merged. So he’s on a year’s assignment as a chaplain and teacher at the FSSP’s St. Gregory’s Academy in PA. The other priest who comes is retired from the Albany diocese.
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PKinsale
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I’m blessed to be in the archdiocese of St. Louis, where we have have had the TLM in several places and now in even more churches thanks to the motu proprio and a terrific local seminary. I tend to look at the MP more as freeing up priests to say the TLM, and bishops really have no jurisdiction in restricting it. I think this will be made clear by the Vatican at some point. Forget the diocese bureaucracy … find a good priest and encourage him to learn about the TLM and consider it.
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ProVobis
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Was demand really the issue with the Novus Ordo back in 1969? It wasn’t but we all got it anyway, at least those of us who decided it was best we continue making our Sunday obligation.
Besides, I thought the SP was really all about whether the priest was allowed to say the TLM without his bishop’s consent. Even if the demand isn’t there, perhaps a good priest could make it in demand.
I’ve heard some priests say an EF Mass so horribly I couldn’t imagine anyone coming back. But then I’ve seen some Novus Ordo Mass said very horribly too. Perhaps the demand stems from the way it is done?
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I_Believe
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Because we need more Holy Priests in the sanctuary to flush out the fluffy bunnys.
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malphono
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Or maybe the bishop just doesn’t care. He wouldn’t be alone in being what I call “obstructionist” when it comes to the EF.
The petition, signatures, website, etc, are all good ideas, though. Both for presentation to the bishop and, more importantly, to the pastor. In **brotherhrolf’**s case, the pastor offers the EF privately, which rather means he needs a little “push,” shall we say, to get him to do it publicly.
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Seatuck
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My Bishop has.licatholic.org/columns/Murphy%20archives/murphy912.htm
While it’s not perfect we are getting places.
He was also very vocal about the election and the abortion issue being first among many important issues.
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malphono
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The pastor sounds like a lovely person. Funny thing is that the last time (until recently, that is) I assisted at a missa cantata (according to the 1962 missal) was in 1969 in Palm Beach proper. I don’t recall the name of the church, but it was the pastor’s 25th anniversary and he made some interesting remarks in favor of the EF and ad orientem, etc, that I’m sure did not sit well with the chancery. Apparently even after nearly 40 years those remarks still wouldn’t sit well with the chancery.
I don’t know the area very well, but I assume Jensen Beach is relatively close to West Palm. People traveling an hour or so from Miami sort of tells me the EF isn’t readily available there either. Hmmm. I seem to recall a motu proprio …
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