Fifteen months after the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum: has your diocese officially said a big, fat, NOTHING about it??

[Corki]

Virtual silence in our diocese. Our AB originally put out a statement that we had sufficient EF Masses (one) to meet the needs of the diocese. Attempts by priests to offer the EF in parishes have been shut down and requests for more Masses and/or some that are accessible to more people have been met with silence.

 

[malphono]

Virtual silence in our diocese. Our AB originally put out a statement that we had sufficient EF Masses (one) to meet the needs of the diocese. Attempts by priests to offer the EF in parishes have been shut down and requests for more Masses and/or some that are accessible to more people have been met with silence.

Ah, yet another of what I call the “obstructionist” bishops. I wonder if a letter (with as many signatures as possible) to Cardinal Castrillon would get things moving?

 

[Timothysis]

Attempts by priests to offer the EF in parishes have been shut down and requests for more Masses and/or some that are accessible to more people have been met with silence.

I would need to see some evidence to back a statement such as this.

 

[Phemie]

Fifteen months after the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum: has your diocese officially said a big, fat, NOTHING about it??

Has silence been the reaction?

That’s exactly what my diocese has said – unless the Bishop contacted the priests privately. I think that’s unlikely since my pastor, in a conversation we had a few weeks ago, indicated to me that he would require the Bishop’s permission to celebrate the EF. He seemed not to be aware of the MP.

 

[DocSoos]

Whats the big deal about TLM? I mean what was all of that Vatican II business about

Peace

 

[malphono]

That’s exactly what my diocese has said – unless the Bishop contacted the priests privately. I think that’s unlikely since my pastor, in a conversation we had a few weeks ago, indicated to me that he would require the Bishop’s permission to celebrate the EF. He seemed not to be aware of the MP.

I hope you told this pastor all about the motu proprio, and that the “indult” is now (D.G.) a thing of the past. Let him take it up with the bishop if he doesn’t believe you.

 

[malphono]

Whats the big deal about TLM? I mean what was all of that Vatican II business about

Peace

I really do hope this is not a serious question.

 

[LilyM]

My ordinary is the wonderful Cardinal George Pell - he’s certainly rarely backward in coming forward about any issue.

He’s said at least one TLM in the Cathedral personally. If he spent less time in Rome I’m sure we’d have had a few more, and last year the first EF Nuptial Mass in 40-some years was held in the Cathedral as well.

The funny thing is the impact on the OF - there has been an explosion in terms of use of Latin and chant in a couple of the parishes round me in their OFs, and general reverence and rubricity (is that a word?) in other parishes too, which is heartening.

 

[Phemie]

I hope you told this pastor all about the motu proprio, and that the “indult” is now (D.G.) a thing of the past. Let him take it up with the bishop if he doesn’t believe you.

I did bring up the Motu Proprio but I’m not sure if he believed me. He’s only a few months younger than me so most of his life and certainly his entire priestly life has been with the OF so for him celebrating the EF would be totally foreign. As far as I know the people who would most likely attend an EF liturgy in our parish have no idea that they can ask for one. They are the core of the daily Mass assembly, all in their 20s & 30s when the OF came into being.

 

[Seatuck]

Whats the big deal about TLM? I mean what was all of that Vatican II business about

Peace

What do you think it was about? What do you know about it?

Perhaps you should read the Vatican II documents if you haven’t . There’s a big difference between what Vat II business actually was and all this Spirit of Vat II business. I bet you won’t find anything saying "erase the latin mass from existence in your diocese " for instance.

 

[I_Believe]

My ordinary is the wonderful Cardinal George Pell - he’s certainly rarely backward in coming forward about any issue.

He’s said at least one TLM in the Cathedral personally. If he spent less time in Rome I’m sure we’d have had a few more, and last year the first EF Nuptial Mass in 40-some years was held in the Cathedral as well.

The funny thing is the impact on the OF - there has been an explosion in terms of use of Latin and chant in a couple of the parishes round me in their OFs, and general reverence and rubricity (is that a word?) in other parishes too, which is heartening.

Hi Lily, there you go. I think what you have described is what BXVI hoped for in a way. BXVI’s SP is bearing good fruit in oz

 

[malphono]

I did bring up the Motu Proprio but I’m not sure if he believed me. He’s only a few months younger than me so most of his life and certainly his entire priestly life has been with the OF so for him celebrating the EF would be totally foreign. As far as I know the people who would most likely attend an EF liturgy in our parish have no idea that they can ask for one. They are the core of the daily Mass assembly, all in their 20s & 30s when the OF came into being.

That’s sad. Both about the priest and the congregation. From what I’ve both heard and personally experienced (see my comment in the thread “You are subscribed to this thread What’s Latin Mass Attendance Like At Your Church ?”) the EF is appreciated and assisted at by far more than the expected “dinosaurs.” When people of the proper disposition are aware that the EF exists, they will often come. At first, maybe just to try it, but often they get “hooked” and will become regulars. The example of Notre-Dame University comes to mind. The EF is very powerful, but alas it is often hidden by those that fear it.

 

[I_Believe]

What does this have to do with the subject at hand? The Bishops of the Society of Saint Pius X were excommunicated for disobedience in their ordinations, not the Latin Mass. Do you pray that the excommunications of all those involved in disobedience against the Holy Father and Holy Mother Church be lifted??? Why?

Do you consider it disobedience when laity ask for the Forma Extraordinaria and are denied it despite the Summorum Pontificum ?

 

[brigid12]

I have not heard anything about it from our Archbishop (except a somewhat negative response when questioned about it on his radio show). The one former indult Mass has been allowed to become an EF parish and a FSSP priest has now been allowed to come into the archdiocese - something that the Archbishop stated he was against, a year ago. Of course, he is almost at retirement age so some changes may be occurring.

 

[Lainey63]

The pastor sounds like a lovely person. Funny thing is that the last time (until recently, that is) I assisted at a missa cantata (according to the 1962 missal) was in 1969 in Palm Beach proper. I don’t recall the name of the church, but it was the pastor’s 25th anniversary and he made some interesting remarks in favor of the EF and ad orientem, etc, that I’m sure did not sit well with the chancery. Apparently even after nearly 40 years those remarks still wouldn’t sit well with the chancery.

I don’t know the area very well, but I assume Jensen Beach is relatively close to West Palm. People traveling an hour or so from Miami sort of tells me the EF isn’t readily available there either. Hmmm. I seem to recall a motu proprio …

Jensen Beach is in Martin County, it is in between Stuart & Port St Lucie…it is also a part of the Palm Beach Diocease…I guess it would depend where in Palm Beach County you are coming from how long it would take to get there…but there are lots of people who live in PSL that work in West Palm Beach…

 

[Timothysis]

Do you consider it disobedience when laity ask for the Forma Extraordinaria and are denied it despite the Summorum Pontificum ?

Considering that this has absolutely nothing to do in comparison to the excommunications of the sspx bishops, I would say that the MP states the conditions for which the extraordinary form are to be celebrated and the local bishop is the one who decides if those conditions are met. If you do not like the decision of the bishop then you have a right of appeal to Rome. Until the bishop is overturned, his decision is right and legitimate. It is not your place to judge whether or not a bishop is disobedient.

 

[PhilotheaZ]

I haven’t heard much from our bishop about it; I don’t think he’s a big fan of the Latin Mass, but I don’t think he’s preventing it either.

Locally, we have:

• one priest who celebrates the Extraordinary Form every Saturday morning;
• another who was celebrating it every Thursday evening (temporarily suspended because nobody likes to go out after dark in the winter, we’re looking for a different time slot);
• and another who has been celebrating it for many years under an indult from our former bishop, the second (and fifth, if there is one) Sunday of each month.

Not bad for a small city!

We hope the three of them will get together and coordinate their schedules so one of them can offer it each Sunday.

 

[CradleCath]

I’m blessed to be in the archdiocese of St. Louis, where we have have had the TLM in several places and now in even more churches thanks to the motu proprio and a terrific local seminary. I tend to look at the MP more as freeing up priests to say the TLM, and bishops really have no jurisdiction in restricting it. I think this will be made clear by the Vatican at some point. Forget the diocese bureaucracy … find a good priest and encourage him to learn about the TLM and consider it.

And I’m blessed to be in the same state, with a Bishop who came from your city, Bishop Finn. In the beginning of his Episcopate here, he swept out all of the “hangers on” i.e. the liberals who ran the diocese for decades & reminded me of a bunch of politiicans in Jim Curley’s city hall. The National Catholic Reporter hates him & all of us who Traditional Catholics think he’s the best thing since sliced bread:

From the NCR:
(Bishop Finn)
Dismissed the chancellor, a layman with 21 years of experience in the diocese, and the vice chancellor, a religious woman stationed in the diocese for nearly 40 years and the chief of pastoral planning for the diocese since 1990, and replaced them with a priest chancellor.
Cancelled the diocese’s nationally renowned lay formation programs and a master’s degree program in pastoral ministry.
Cut in half the budget of the Center for Pastoral Life and Ministry, effectively forcing the almost immediate resignation of half the seven-member team. Within 10 months all seven would be gone and the center shuttered.
Ordered a “zero-based study” of adult catechesis in the diocese and appointed as vice chancellor to oversee adult catechesis, lay formation and the catechesis study a layman with no formal training in theology or religious studies.
Ordered the editor of the diocesan newspaper to immediately cease publishing columns by Notre Dame theologian Fr. Richard McBrien.
Announced that he would review all front page stories, opinion pieces, columns and editorials before publication.

He is suffering from a lot of hatred coming from these liberals, but it hasn’t stopped him from promoting the Latin Mass. During Sept., 2,007…just as soon as the Motu Proprio was promulgated…he celebrated it himself…for the first time in his life. He was just a child during Vatican II.

newliturgicalmovement.org/2007/09/kansas-city-catholic-bishop-finn.html

I hope that you’ll all say a prayer or two for him. He’s a good man & a GREAT Bishop.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

Thank God for Bishop Bruskewitz here in the Diocese of Lincoln. We have an oratory where regular Daily Masses are said and 2 on Sunday. Yesterday we had a Rorate Mass (absolutely beautiful). I cannot believe those of us who reside here are so fortunate. We have the FSSP seminary right outside of town and have Vespers about once a month.

 

[Chatter163]

I would say that the MP states the conditions for which the extraordinary form are to be celebrated and the local bishop is the one who decides if those conditions are met.

You obviously have not read the document. The pastor is the one who is to facilitate the requests, and should do so “willingly.” The bishop is to be approached for appeals by faithful who have been rebuffed by the pastor, and the bishop is “strongly requested” (Roman for “Do it!”) to do so. If the bishop is unable to grant the appeal, he is instructed to refer to matter to the Ecclesia Dei commission. The expectation at all levels is that the request will be granted.