Fig tree parable Luke 13

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I’m dropping out of this thread.

I’ve had a few bad things happen to me lately and I don’t want things getting worse. I think God is angry at me and don’t want to get any more punishment. I’m beaten into the ground, I admit I am conquered and surrender. I’m throwing myself on the mercy of the court.
 
I’m dropping out of this thread.

I’ve had a few bad things happen to me lately and I don’t want things getting worse. I think God is angry at me and don’t want to get any more punishment. I’m beaten into the ground, I admit I am conquered and surrender. I’m throwing myself on the mercy of the court.
God is not angry at you, Bob. He wants you to see Him. He is before you, in those who love you.
 
God is not angry at you, Bob. He wants you to see Him. He is before you, in those who love you.
Then he needs to please stop the evils that are hitting me one after another. I’m begging him for the evils to stop. Every day something new bad thing is hitting me.
 
Then he needs to please stop the evils that are hitting me one after another. I’m begging him for the evils to stop. Every day something new bad thing is hitting me.
This is an especially hard year for many of us, BobCatholic.

And begging for the evils to stop can in fact be a good thing:

From the Divine Mercy Chaplet:
“For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.”

You’re definitely not alone. I hope you’ll hang in there.
 
Maybe it is a prediction about Pilate? Leadership transitioned to Peter and the Apostles.

Incidentally you will find this statement on wikipedia under Pontius Pilate
In all four gospel accounts, Pilate lobbies for Jesus (a fictional character) to be spared his eventual fate of execution,
 
Unless God has singled me out for ignoring every plea for help (please give me a steady job, or restore my ability to earn a living) - I think others also are in the same boat. God never promised temporal help.

God’s design is that he doesn’t care about the temporal.

A father who refuses to help their son is failing as a father.

I’m not demanding wealth and wealth, he gives that to others, not me. Other people are exempt from the cross, not me. That’s because I’m not good enough.

Yeah, he is my father, distant and unloving.

No. A relationship is a two way street. He won’t approach me, he does not want me in a personal way. So corporate is the only way for me.

I do not take comfort or joy in other people’s sufferings, I am not a sadist. In addition, many people are exempt from the cross so God does play favorites.

I don’t believe man is a temporal god, I believe man is an abandoned child trying to make the best of their own - in the temporal realm.

Nope. You misinterpreted what I said.

What kind of father abandons their child? What kind of father beats their kid into a pulp? What kind of father ignores their kid’s cries for help?

St. Paul had a personal relationship with Christ. Christ actually talked to him, he had an abundance of revelations. It was EASY for him.

I already am least in the kingdom of heaven. I’m a second class citizen, if I’m lucky, but in reality, I am a useless speck of dust with zero value to God.

And that’s why God loves them more.

I did that daily while employed. God wasn’t pleased, since that job is now gone.
Hi, Bob!

I’m afraid the circular has won…

May the Holy Spirit Guide and Strengthen you.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Maybe it is a prediction about Pilate? Leadership transitioned to Peter and the Apostles.

Incidentally you will find this statement on wikipedia under Pontius Pilate
Hi, Darryl!
…could you quote (cut and paste) the text? …I read through wiki… did not find the material to which you are alluding–did not find “a fictional character” anywhere in the page that I read through… thanks!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Interesting, I did actually cut and paste the wikipedia article (because I am too lazy to type citations). I guess the silly comment has been removed.
 
Hi, Darryl!
…could you quote (cut and paste) the text? …I read through wiki… did not find the material to which you are alluding–did not find “a fictional character” anywhere in the page that I read through… thanks!

Maran atha!

Angel
If you go to the same page at the top you fill find a link “View history”. You will see this

09:42, 4 November 2016‎ 84.0.248.41 (talk)‎ . . (67,601 bytes) (-24)‎ . . (Jesus (a fictional character) (!) There is more evidence that Jesus existed than Pilate existed.

Vandalism.
 
If you go to the same page at the top you fill find a link “View history”. You will see this

09:42, 4 November 2016‎ 84.0.248.41 (talk)‎ . . (67,601 bytes) (-24)‎ . . (Jesus (a fictional character) (!) There is more evidence that Jesus existed than Pilate existed.

Vandalism.
Hi, Darryl!
Thanks!

I did find the info you’ve quoted above–I think that it could have been an exchange between people–the poster, perhaps, wanted to make the point that there’s more evidential merit on the existence of Jesus than that of Pilate… the quote itself is not found on the historical reference page… but there could have been some contentions since wiki thought it necessary to include the following clarification/disqualifier:
“Pilate” redirects here. For other uses, see Pilate (disambiguation). (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate)
Maran atha!

Angel
 
en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pontius_Pilate&diff=747779175&oldid=747759877

This is the page as it was. I had a 4 hour window where I looked at it and before it was corrected by someone.

I looked at the page because I realized I did not know the history of Pilate after his encounter with our Lord, apparently the details are sketchy.

If the fig tree references back to Pontius Pilate because he has produced no fruit as a leader, and even mingled the blood of martyrs (Jewish) with the sacrifices, could that explain the parable of the fig tree?
 
en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pontius_Pilate&diff=747779175&oldid=747759877

This is the page as it was. I had a 4 hour window where I looked at it and before it was corrected by someone.

I looked at the page because I realized I did not know the history of Pilate after his encounter with our Lord, apparently the details are sketchy.

If the fig tree references back to Pontius Pilate because he has produced no fruit as a leader, and even mingled the blood of martyrs (Jewish) with the sacrifices, could that explain the parable of the fig tree?
Hi, Darryl!
…I know that many times there are many possible exegesis projected/inspired by the same Scriptural passage/s… but I tend (as pedestrian that I am) to view things as direct as possible… Pilate was not a Jew, why would Jesus intend to use him as an example for the Jews or the Church?

I rather find a more possible relationship with the Jewish religious (Pharisees, Sadducees, Masters of the Law, Scribes…); these would circumvent the Law and pile observances to fit their religiosity/power mongering… Jesus goes at them as He exemplifies their determination to exist in the confines of legalism while ignoring justice, mercy and faithfulness (St. Matthew 23) or such circumventions as the 4th Commandment which they would dispense of its obligation by claiming that their parents would profit (be honored) through the gift they provide to God (St. Matthew 15)–all who act thusly cannot produce real fruit and fall under that curse, by default!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
No, the guy downstairs won. And I hate him.
Hi, Bob!
…sorry for the muddled text…

I meant that we are returning to the circular argument–no matter what I would offer you will quickly return to your staple (conception) definition of your relationship with God.

Since I cannot accept your established philosophy and you cannot dream of deconstructing it we’ve hit the proverbial impasse–going around in circles helps no one and it’s an exercise in futility.

…as for your statement above… he in deed has not won since you still consider him your foe not your ally.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
…as for your statement above… he in deed has not won since you still consider him your foe not your ally.
I think you didn’t really want to say that.

When I say “the guy downstairs” I mean the devil. I most certainly do not want him as an ally! And he is our foe. I hate him!
 
I think you didn’t really want to say that.

When I say “the guy downstairs” I mean the devil. I most certainly do not want him as an ally! And he is our foe. I hate him!
Hi, Bob!
…you may be misunderstanding… when I stated that he in deed has not won I am attempting to demonstrate to you that since you still remain in Confession with God, in spite of all the turmoil in your life, you have not lost. Your allegiance is with God. Since Christ has overcome the world and since Greater is He Who is in us than he who is in the world, our Victory remains–only if we give into despair and hopelessness can we lose the race!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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