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roseproject
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Can fighting (when done for the right reasons such as battling in the war, protecting a loved one, etc.) in any way coincide with humility?..not that violence should ever be the first resort to any problem but…
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I know God called St. Joan of Ark to do battle…
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Scoobyshme
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Of course, provided it’s not fighting for the wrong reason. Jesus fought (chased the money changers out of the temple). We have an obligation, sometimes, to fight. But it should always be done for the right reason, and justly (in other words, we don’t shoot someone for jaywalking.).
And we should always preserve the human dignity of the people with whom we fight. (Harder said than done, but necessary.)
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GaryTaylor
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Oh there have many in battle for the belief of God. Many many Generals of various armies have used the strategics of Saul and his son in battle. Mose’s and Elijah, David, and on and on are also those who were willing to die for a belief. All those martyred also come to mind.
Kinda makes one wonder how all that would play into todays world?
As far as humility? That has a place in war also. Though not for many and usally only those who have no desire to be in war from the onset. They’ll allow their morals only to be compromised to the point which they have no alternative. And rightfully so, what you are, shouldn’t change because of where you are.
Kinda makes one wonder how all that would play into todays world?
As far as humility? That has a place in war also. Though not for many and usally only those who have no desire to be in war from the onset. They’ll allow their morals only to be compromised to the point which they have no alternative. And rightfully so, what you are, shouldn’t change because of where you are.
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Shin
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When one is humble one can do many things, including fight, be angry, reprove, discipline, punish…
None of these things are antithetical to humility, and sometimes they are required of it.
The motivation and time, however, has to be correct. That is where it matters.
One has to do God’s will. An sometimes God’s will is that we fight, be angry, reprove, discipline, punish…
Etc.
Our greatest enemies which we fight against the most are the fallen angels, the world, and our own selves.
Sometimes fighting is good:
‘In God’s Name! The soldiers will fight, and God will give the victory.’
St. Joan of Arc
‘The demons fight against you? They do not fight against us at all as long as we are doing our own will. For our own wills become the demons, and it is these which attack us in order that we may fulfil them. But if you want to see who the demons really fight against, it is against Moses and those who are like him.’
St. Poemen
‘But He gave me courage to fight against myself, so that I executed my purpose.’
St. Teresa of Jesus
Sometimes fighting is bad:
‘I learn that some people are going down to the gardens and asking the gardener for vegetables to eat and that when, because of the rule, they do not get any, they pick a fight with the gardener. This is utterly satanic and is to occur no longer, since those of you who behave thus will be subjected to punishments. Is what is put before you not sufficient? How are you going to make war on passion if you are defeated by a cabbage? You will become weaker than a feather if you do not fortify yourself by thought through self-mastery.’
St. Theodore the Studite
None of these things are antithetical to humility, and sometimes they are required of it.
The motivation and time, however, has to be correct. That is where it matters.
One has to do God’s will. An sometimes God’s will is that we fight, be angry, reprove, discipline, punish…
Etc.
Our greatest enemies which we fight against the most are the fallen angels, the world, and our own selves.
Sometimes fighting is good:
‘In God’s Name! The soldiers will fight, and God will give the victory.’
St. Joan of Arc
‘The demons fight against you? They do not fight against us at all as long as we are doing our own will. For our own wills become the demons, and it is these which attack us in order that we may fulfil them. But if you want to see who the demons really fight against, it is against Moses and those who are like him.’
St. Poemen
‘But He gave me courage to fight against myself, so that I executed my purpose.’
St. Teresa of Jesus
Sometimes fighting is bad:
‘I learn that some people are going down to the gardens and asking the gardener for vegetables to eat and that when, because of the rule, they do not get any, they pick a fight with the gardener. This is utterly satanic and is to occur no longer, since those of you who behave thus will be subjected to punishments. Is what is put before you not sufficient? How are you going to make war on passion if you are defeated by a cabbage? You will become weaker than a feather if you do not fortify yourself by thought through self-mastery.’
St. Theodore the Studite
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