Filipino beheaded for protecting himself from rape? I don't understand Muslim reasoning for this.

[Gottle_of_Geer]

And yet Muslims living in North America demand to have equal treatment under the law without discrimination based on religion! I wonder how they’d like it if Muslims were treated the same way in non-Muslims states as non-Muslims are treated in Muslim states. If any Muslim on this forum has an explanation for this hypocrisy, I’d love to hear it.

Change “Muslim” to “Catholic”, & you have a complaint often made by Protestants from about about 1850 to 1970 or so. Muslims might well make much the same replies to the accusation as Catholics did​

It sounds as though dhimmi status today is not terribly different from the status of Protestants in Spain under the 1953 Concordat.

At the risk of sounding as though one is trying to justify what happened in the Philippines, ISTM that the Muslim position is a perfectly reasonable one within a Muslim outlook on the world - whether one cares for the reasoning adopted, or for the assumptions it is based on, is another matter: but if one grants those assumptions & that reasoning, the result sounds perfectly fair, repellent as it is if Christians measure it by Christian standards.

But to apply Christian standards to Islam is pointless, if one regards Islam as a superior revelation - that would mean the lesser revelation were judging the greater. Muslim reasoning cannot be invalidated by Christian reasoning, if one is a Muslim, for that reason. So attacks on Islam which take for granted the superiority of Christianity are probably not going to get anywhere: because they are Christian objections to the religion which (if only we all realised it) is the proper religion of all mankind. (Does Islam rely on a doctrine of innate ideas ? It seems so.)

 

[ASimpleSinner]

I hope that these and other sad cases are brought to the public’s attention in the Phillipines. I am sympathetic to working folks who take risks such as traveling overseas to earn income to support their families…

But Filipinos considering service in SA need to be aware that their Christian faith - if they are Christians - will be a liability, that they will not so much as be allowed to own a Bible, Rosary, or gather together privately to pray… And that their rights will be, at best, tenuous.

The Catholic hierarchy in the Phillipines would do very well to warn its faithful against pursuing employment in the Saudi Kingdom. No amount of income can be worth being cut off from your faith and possibly be denied last rites. As it turns out, no amount of blood money may be able to buy your rights back.

If I were offered the opportunity to work in Saudi Arabia or be a guest of the King himself, I would turn it down. The peril of being without the sacraments coupled with the mortal peril of such a system of justice, could all too easily become the prelude to hell.

No thank you.

 

[Morning_Star15]

Change “Muslim” to “Catholic”, & you have a complaint often made by Protestants from about about 1850 to 1970 or so. Muslims might well make much the same replies to the accusation as Catholics did​

It sounds as though dhimmi status today is not terribly different from the status of Protestants in Spain under the 1953 Concordat.

At the risk of sounding as though one is trying to justify what happened in the Philippines, ISTM that the Muslim position is a perfectly reasonable one within a Muslim outlook on the world - whether one cares for the reasoning adopted, or for the assumptions it is based on, is another matter: but if one grants those assumptions & that reasoning, the result sounds perfectly fair, repellent as it is if Christians measure it by Christian standards.

But to apply Christian standards to Islam is pointless, if one regards Islam as a superior revelation - that would mean the lesser revelation were judging the greater. Muslim reasoning cannot be invalidated by Christian reasoning, if one is a Muslim, for that reason. So attacks on Islam which take for granted the superiority of Christianity are probably not going to get anywhere: because they are Christian objections to the religion which (if only we all realised it) is the proper religion of all mankind. (Does Islam rely on a doctrine of innate ideas ? It seems so.)

I am fully aware of the fact that other religions have been responsible for similar things in the past, and I think those things are wrong as well. However I was referring more to the hypocritical expectation of Muslims of equal treatment with non-Muslims in non-Muslim states, while giving completely unequal treatment to non-Muslims in Muslim states. Why should a religious group expect better treatment from those who consider Islam to be inferior to their own religion than the treatment they give to those same individuals, whose religion Muslims consider to be inferior to Islam? If Muslims believe that religious minority groups should have no rights, then why do they ask for rights when they’re the minority group?