FILM: The Hobbit (some spoilers)

[louisak]

Was happy to see similarity scenes between this film and the computer game (anyone who knows or plays this game will get kudos from me {honesty ;}) :

Lord of the Rings Battle for Middle Earth II

You were happy to see similarity with a computer game?

To me, that sounds like a reason **not **to see the movie.

 

[777rak]

You were happy to see similarity with a computer game?

To me, that sounds like a reason **not **to see the movie.

Well then two things.

1. Shows continuity with the other Lord of Rings material
2. Brought back memories of playing that game.

Yes I know call me weird. But at/during those points I felt like wow I know what this is the history of it etc… from playing the computer game.

 

[tomarin]

Well then two things.

1. Shows continuity with the other Lord of Rings material
2. Brought back memories of playing that game.

Yes I know call me weird. But at/during those points I felt like wow I know what this is the history of it etc… from playing the computer game.

Ah yes, Tolkien was a huge gamer. Not.

 

[tomarin]

Well then two things.

1. Shows continuity with the other Lord of Rings material
2. Brought back memories of playing that game.

Yes I know call me weird. But at/during those points I felt like wow I know what this is the history of it etc… from playing the computer game.

I’m trying to imagine how Tolkien would react to this post if he could be made aware of it … Nah. I can’t come up with anything.

 

[Dandelion_Wine]

Possibly what 777rak is saying is that the video game was faithful to the book?

 

[777rak]

I’m trying to imagine how Tolkien would react to this post if he could be made aware of it … Nah. I can’t come up with anything.

Tolkien if you are reading this and are offended please forgive me.

Not the the movie and computer game( yes off topic sorry) were great, if he were still around they would be even better.

Possibly what 777rak is saying is that the video game was faithful to the book?

Thank you!!! Yes!!! Or how I like to call it “Historically accurate”/ fictionally accurate.

 

[Joe_5859]

Tolkien if you are reading this and are offended please forgive me.

Not the the movie and computer game( yes off topic sorry) were great, if he were still around they would be even better.

I think Tolkien’s beef would be with Peter Jackson, not you.

Where Tolkien is at right now – in those great Western Lands – I doubt he gets offended by much anymore.

 

[777rak]

I think Tolkien’s beef would be with Peter Jackson, not you.

Where Tolkien is at right now – in those great Western Lands – I doubt he gets offended by much anymore.

Hmm maybe I will change that by making Tolkien’s other Middle Earth books into movies lol ( wonder if Peter Jackson is considering this)

Anyhow patiently awaiting part 2 this Dec release.

 

[celtic_catholic_1]

Hmm maybe I will change that by making Tolkien’s other Middle Earth books into movies lol ( wonder if Peter Jackson is considering this)

Anyhow patiently awaiting part 2 this Dec release.

I’m not taking your comment seriously, but I’m pretty sure that Tolkien’s other works are not available for film adaptations. His family seem pretty dead set against his works being made into movies.

 

[onjac]

Hmm maybe I will change that by making Tolkien’s other Middle Earth books into movies lol ( wonder if Peter Jackson is considering this)

Anyhow patiently awaiting part 2 this Dec release.

If you look online for the video, Peter Jackson and some of the cast attended a convention (I forgot the name) and answered some questions from the audience. He said that it was highly unlikely that the other books like The Silmarillion will be adapted. At least none of us will probably live long enough to see it. The rights to that book still belong to Tolkien’s estate.

 

[Joe_5859]

I’m not taking your comment seriously, but I’m pretty sure that Tolkien’s other works are not available for film adaptations. His family seem pretty dead set against his works being made into movies.

Really? How did LoTR and the Hobbit make it through?

 

[louisak]

Really? How did LoTR and the Hobbit make it through?

Tolkien himself sold the film adaptation rights to those books in 1968 or 1969. He never sold the film rights for The Silmarillion because that book was not published during his lifetime. In fact he never really completed it, his son Christopher brought together the most complete versions of the various stories and worked them together to make (as far as possible) a coherent narrative.

 

[Joe_5859]

Tolkien himself sold the film adaptation rights to those books in 1968 or 1969. He never sold the film rights for The Silmarillion because that book was not published during his lifetime. In fact he never really completed it, his son Christopher brought together the most complete versions of the various stories and worked them together to make (as far as possible) a coherent narrative.

Interesting. Someone can sell the film rights to their story and have them get bounced around for decades before actually making it on screen.

I would like to see a film adaptation of the Silmarillion some day. Perhaps it will still come to pass. After LotR, Jackson was insistent that he wouldn’t return for the Hobbit. According to George Lucas, there would never be more Star Wars films. In Hollywood, “No” really just means “Not now.”

This is a bit different, I suppose. We’ll see.

 

[Joe_5859]

Tell us how you really feel.

 

[louisak]

Interesting. Someone can sell the film rights to their story and have them get bounced around for decades before actually making it on screen.

Yes, and it’s not that unusual. The same type of thing has happened with other books.

The entity which owns the rights can then sell them to another entity, without requiring the permission of the book’s author. Tolkien sold the rights to United Artists, which sold them to the Saul Zaentz Company, which in turn licensed them to New Line Cinema when that studio agreed to finance Peter Jackson’s films.

The rights actually apply to all media use of the books, including the use of proper names of persons and places within the story. For example according to Wikipedia, a pub in England called The Hobbit has been served with legal action by Middle-earth Enterprises, the division of Saul Zaentz Company that manages the rights to Tolkien’s works.

 

[Joe_5859]

That’s a fair take on it. I still enjoy the films, though.

 

[Joe_5859]

Yes, and it’s not that unusual. The same type of thing has happened with other books.

The entity which owns the rights can then sell them to another entity, without requiring the permission of the book’s author. Tolkien sold the rights to United Artists, which sold them to the Saul Zaentz Company, which in turn licensed them to New Line Cinema when that studio agreed to finance Peter Jackson’s films.

The rights actually apply to all media use of the books, including the use of proper names of persons and places within the story. For example according to Wikipedia, a pub in England called The Hobbit has been served with legal action by Middle-earth Enterprises, the division of Saul Zaentz Company that manages the rights to Tolkien’s works.

Just the concept of having to create a corporate entity to manage the rights to a creative work is interesting to me.

 

[Della]

My dh and I saw it over Christmas and I was pleasantly surprised by it after all the negative press it had received. Nothing in the film surprised me overly much, not even Jackson’s interpretation of Radagast the Brown–although the bird’s nest in his hair and poo running down his face seemed unnecessary to me.

I liked bringing in the White Orc as a villian set against Thorin Oakenshield. It gave the story purpose and gravitas In the book Tolkien made the dwarves rather silly creatures, but balanced this out in LOTR, so I was happy Jackson kept the funny bits and made them somewhat ridiculous but kept TO the serious member of his little troup.

Martin Freeman was perfection as Bilbo–much better than the Rankin-Bass cartoon character, and a nice blending with Ian Holm’s portrayal. I understood Bilbo better than I did when reading the book, so Jackson did a good job of casting and directing there–as least IMHO.

All in all I enjoyed it very much indeed and want to see it again before it goes to DVD. I’m looking forward to the next installment with happy anticipation.

 

[777rak]

Tolkien himself sold the film adaptation rights to those books in 1968 or 1969. He never sold the film rights for The Silmarillion because that book was not published during his lifetime. In fact he never really completed it, his son Christopher brought together the most complete versions of the various stories and worked them together to make (as far as possible) a coherent narrative.

Just saw the original The Hobit animated movie. It was pretty good meaning I could watch it again.

Next up the animated sequel The Lord of the Rings and Return of the King. I will let you all know how they are.

 

[louisak]

Nothing in the film surprised me overly much, not even Jackson’s interpretation of Radagast the Brown–although the bird’s nest in his hair and poo running down his face seemed unnecessary to me.

Please tell me you are joking. I have heard some disturbing things about how Radagast is depicted, but did he actually have bird droppings on his face? I didn’t think even Peter Jackson would sink that low.