Final Authority: Bible or Church?

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As I’m sure other have said Jesus founded a Church, not a book. It is the church which tells us the bible is the word of God. All other religious books like Koran, Book of Mormon, etc all claim to be inspired and holy, but scripture itself cannot prove itself to be holy.
Fulton Sheen, in his show on evangelization demonstrated how using the Bible as a starting pointing was the wrong approach. Yes, each religion has its own sacred scripture that it claims as infallible and a final authority.
The Bible did not fall from heaven. The Word came in the form of flesh and blood, and not bound between black leather.
What does the other person believe? Pope Benedict XVI defined dialogue as communication across differences. Begin by finding commonalities. Learn to listen. Come from the person’s perspective.
Greek belief in an unknown God made it possible for St. Paul to introduce Christ. .
 
The Church. The Church is protected from error. The Bible, too- but only if it is properly interpreted. The Church is that interpretor.
 
Interesting that no Protestants have shown up to participate in the thread.

Come on in! 😉
 
The Catholic Church

Matthew 18:18…

Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
It is interesting you use The Bible to “prove” it is the Catholic Church that is the Final Authority and not the Bible?
 
Being guided by the grace of the Holy Spirit? Or is this only Protestant teaching?
When the Catholic Church convenes a major Ecumenical Church Council, it is guided by the wisdom of the Holy Spirit, the promised Advocate. Chapter 14, Gospel of John.
 
It is interesting you use The Bible to “prove” it is the Catholic Church that is the Final Authority and not the Bible?
He didn’t use the Bible to prove it. The Bible simply asserts it, as well it should.

That the Bible should agree with the final authority of the Church is only a sign that the Holy Spirit was within both the Church and the Bible.

Do you get the difference between proving and reaffirming?

The Church existed before the New Testament writings, so how can the authority of the writings not be dependent on the authority of the Church, especially since the Catholic Church in the 4th century canonized the books Protestants read today?
 
It is interesting you use The Bible to “prove” it is the Catholic Church that is the Final Authority and not the Bible?
Nobody has disputed the importance of Scripture.
In the O.T., the only time the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed was when it was neglected or its importance was placed over the worship of God.

…sacred tradition, sacred Scripture, and the teaching authority of the Church, in accord with God’s most wise design, are so linked and joined together that one cannot stand without the others, and that all together and each in its own way under the action of the Holy Spirit contribute effectively to the salvation of souls–Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation

In an age, when few could read, St. John of the Cross wrote about the importance of proclaiming the Gospel message. “The priest reads the Gospel and the people read the priest.”
The stained glass windows on churches were designed to present the Gospel message to those unable to read. Prayers that developed from the laity, such as the rosary, developed in a desire to join the monks as they prayed the psalms daily.
One of the ways that we profess our Faith is by the Sign of the Cross, a sacred tradition passed from generation to generation. We recite the Apostle’s Creed, or the Nicene Creed as a statement of belief. The Nicene Creed is part of the Mass, as well as many non-Catholic services.
Yes, we can point to the First Ecumenical Council of Jerusalem mentioned in Scripture. The Church met at other times throughout its history when confronted with heresies and questions of orthodoxy. Like any Body, we continue to grow in our understanding of what Christ taught.
Because we “submit to apostolic teaching,” there is no need for each individual to try to interpret Scripture for ourselves.

Every Mass contains two parts. The first part is the Liturgy of the Word, in which we hear God’s Word proclaimed. We hear the Scripture passages read aloud, including at least one O.T. reading, a psalm, plus a Gospel reading. The Mass is outside of time. We join the Communion of Saints as we return to Calvary. “Do this in remembrance of me.” See John Ch. 6 for the Discourse on Life.

You search the Scriptures, because you think you have eternal life through them, even they testify on my behalf. But you do not want to come to me to have life. [John 6:39-40]
 
It is interesting you use The Bible to “prove” it is the Catholic Church that is the Final Authority and not the Bible?
I’m not proving anything. I am simply stating it as fact using the Words of Jesus who spoke them before the Bible was even compiled…by His Church.
 
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