FINALLY -- a Catholic College With Courage

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I am proud of them for standing up for Church teaching. But I have to say, I have a problem with the implied attack on other Catholic institutions (thread title).

Let’s honor all Catholic educators who stand up for Church teaching, wherever they be at completely orthodox institutions, or working to reform ones that desperately need to come back in line, like Notre Dame and Georgetown.
 
I am proud of them for standing up for Church teaching. But I have to say, I have a problem with the implied attack on other Catholic institutions (thread title).

Let’s honor all Catholic educators who stand up for Church teaching, wherever they be at completely orthodox institutions, or working to reform ones that desperately need to come back in line, like Notre Dame and Georgetown.
Maybe this video will help some on here realize that Notre Dame is pro-life. It’s worth a shot. This was shown during this weeks game live on NBC.

video.nd.edu/234-fighting-to-restore-vision
 
Let’s honor all Catholic educators who stand up for Church teaching, wherever they be at completely orthodox institutions, or working to reform ones that desperately need to come back in line, like Notre Dame and Georgetown.
Big “HUH?” about that. So, a success happens, finally, and you chide the poster for recognizing it? If NotreDame does something good (still waiting) there will be a “finally” thread about that, too…are you going to complain then?
 
Way to go Belmont Abbey College - finally, a college President with uncommon faith and values. May this school be a light of inspiration to us all in the trials we are sure to come up against in this culture of death.
 
Big “HUH?” about that. So, a success happens, finally, and you chide the poster for recognizing it? If NotreDame does something good (still waiting) there will be a “finally” thread about that, too…are you going to complain then?
Reread my post. You didn’t get it.
 
Re: “…do we even really want the government (at any level) in the position of determining which entities are religious enough and which ones are not?”

It already has. Several years ago, the court ruled that the Boy Scouts are a religion. stonescryout.org/archives/2006/02/the_boy_scouts.html

I would think that if the Boy Scouts qualify, why not a Catholic college?
Hiyas:)

I don’t see the connection here.

Actually, the court was left no option.
"The problem that made the city roll over is proof that the BSA had claimed to be a ‘private religious organization’ in a number instances including their appearance before the SCOTUS. As the city attorney stated:

The City’s defense of the case rested on the position that, while the Boy Scouts may follow certain religious principles, it was not a “religious organization” subject to the restrictions in the state and federal constitutions. During the course of the case, however, and without forewarning the City as to its position, the Boy Scouts admitted in court documents that it was in fact a “religious organization.” And another difference between the BSA and those other organizations is answered by the question “can a self-avowed atheist join?” The answer for all the others is ‘yes’, for “no” for the BSA. Just mentioning God doesn’t qualify you as a religious organization but having a religious ‘litmus test’ does. And the city is proscribed by California law from giving religious organizations limited bid access to leasing of public property.]’

In this instance…It seems the BS were trying to go both ways.

Religious…to apply their litmus test on membership applicants.

"What is happening is exactly what the BSA should have realized what would happen when they changed officially from being a public accommodation to a private religious organization. Governments CAN give special considerations to public accommodations, they CAN’T to private religious organizations. The BSA knew that all these perks they got in the past would go away but they are acting like they are being attacked when they are just being adjusted to get what all such religious organizations are entitled to and should expect.

Yes a city could have a policy that gave EVERY religious organization choice parkland on the cheap but they can’t favor some such organizations over any others. So unless the city is prepared to give the San Diego Wiccan High Coven the same deal, they can’t offer that special deal to any private religious organization.

So in answer to “The Boy Scouts Are A Religion?” the answer is 'Yes,* by their own statements and choice", *and to whine because they are being treated like one is not very in keeping with the BSA Oath and Law in itself.]"
 
Hiyas:)
… Just mentioning God doesn’t qualify you as a religious organization but having a religious ‘litmus test’ does. …
This sounds like a rather broad definition of a religious organization. If a man decides to select a wife of his same religion, does that make him a religious organization? There is a test the IRS uses for determining whether a tax-exempt organization can influence legislation, and it is “The Substantial Part Test”. “Whether a church’s or religious organization’s attempts to influence legislation constitute a substantial part of its overall activities is determined on the basis of all the pertinent facts and circumstances in each case. The IRS considers a variety of factors, including the time devoted (by both compensated and volunteer workers) and the expenditures devoted by the organization to the activity, when determining whether the lobbying activity is substantial.”
Political Campaign Activity – Churches and Religious Organizations
irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf

Since the Boy Scouts do not devote a “substantial” amount of their time and expenditures to religious activities, it should not be classified as a religious organization. The government should be consistent.
 
Hiyas:)

The court was just reaffirming what the BSA had admitted;
the BSA had claimed to be a ‘private religious organization’ in a number instances including their appearance before the SCOTUS. As the city attorney stated:The City’s defense of the case rested on the position that, while the Boy Scouts may follow certain religious principles, it was not a “religious organization” subject to the restrictions in the state and federal constitutions. During the course of the case, however, and without forewarning the City as to its position, the Boy Scouts admitted in court documents that it was in fact a “religious organization.”
 
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