Finding God in Losing (ideas of) God

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"Finding in Losing"
Laurence Freeman, OSB, JESUS: THE TEACHER WITHIN (New York: Continuum, 2000), pp130-131.


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To find God, then, we must lose God—at least our primitive ideas and images of God. Detaching from these familiar images will be painful, individually and for the community of which we are part. It is a deep level of our psyche that is being changed. Even for the nonreligious person there will be the pain of feeling they are losing some kind of familiar and reassuring God. Pain as well as joy accompanies the discovery of the living mystery because the idols we must smash are so enmeshed with our images of ourselves. The sense of separation from God, however, is…(continued on above link)
At the end of this article appears a method of meditation that I think is Centering Prayer (I dont know a great deal about CP). This thread is in no way intended to be a debate on Centering Prayer - and is in no way connected to CP. Rather a thread on the article “Finding in Loosing” only. The article can stand in its own right without being connected to a form of meditation. Albeit, the central theme most difficult to convey in words. Hence it is intended for the purposes of this thread to not be inclusive of the subject heading: “Meditate for Thirty Minutes” onwards.
Father Lawrence is a member of a Catholic Benedictine Order of monks.
 
Thank you Barb.🙂

I read this thread yesterday and spent some time thinking about it.

This reminds me of what St John of the Cross said ‘Nada, nada, nada’, ‘Nothing, nothing, nothing’.

I love the Cross greatly, but when I try and express even the simplest facet of the Cross I am at a loss for words. I can’t express it. Many times I read back to myself posts I have made on this forum regarding the Cross and think, ‘No that’s not it’. My words to express God are simply ‘not it’. I know and I don’t know I understand and I don’t understand even upon the same facet of the Cross. My mind stumbles and whirls in a state of unknowing. In gaining a little understanding I realise how little I understand. In knowing God a little I realise I do not know God very well. Most often I am at a loss.

I cannot contain God. I cannot write about Him sufficiently let alone adequately. I receive and grasp at one light only to lose it in the greater and unknown Light of God.

I may say ‘God is Love’ and that would be a true statement and a Divine Truth but what do I know about that, what is my gain? Most often my gain is knowing my own poverty at considering this, but can I fully express this? No I can’t. Can I know it in fullness? No I can’t. Yet dimly I see it, still I lose so much of what this statement means and what the fullness of that Truth is even though this Truth is my Beloved Jesus, my God.

If I attempted to say ‘God is Love’ and define it I would limit God. I must lose my ideas and submit to trusting God in not fully knowing, though I must strive ‘to love, know and serve God’.

How do I perceive ‘know’? Most often the spirit can know some light about God and not fully understand it, still the ‘knowing’ effects the grace in the soul and this is sufficient for God’s will to be done. Here understanding is ‘nothing’, but ‘knowing’ is everything. The spirit perceives more than the mind can and the grace is actualised in the soul and in their life.

It is true that in contemplation the mind is so stilled it cannot think a thing and God imparts Himself intimately in this prayer; all the faculties are halted the soul does nothing for itself and cannot even attain this state itself even by many methods of prayer or sincere effort in good works. Therefater the soul cannot fully express it either, yet God has done His work in the soul and the soul is united to Him. The mind cannot perceive ‘how’ this is done by God, yet it is simply glad and thankful for this greatest of gifts.

In losing the ‘self’ man finds God and in finding God man loses God and in losing all man gains all by God’s grace.

In the Living Prayer of my life
 
Hi again Blessed Star…Thank you for the (name removed by moderator)ut.
This reminds me of what St John of the Cross said ‘Nada, nada, nada’, ‘Nothing, nothing, nothing’.
Puts things pretty well I thought. The problem can be that when all our intellectualizing, concepts and imaginings etc. collapse (Dark Night) it can be a shock and we are left empty, alone and possibly frightened we are loosing our Faith altogether - and this becomes a journey in time and a painful and confusing one - until as the article says that emptiness and fear slowy becomes transcending Presence that is simply Presence that is and can in no way be ‘grasped’.
In losing the ‘self’ man finds God and in finding God man loses God and in losing all man gains all by God’s grace.
Bears thought and is well put.

Blessings and Peace to you and yours…Barb:)
 
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