Fired for being a "religious bigot"

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petitfleur said:
I think lines can be crossed depending how personal a situation is. Not all Christians believe the same thing. If a person posted “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman.” That does not bother me. My daughter and her friend received “A ticket to Hell” at school. It was a Christian tract that said you are going to hell if you…and a long list of stuff that would send you to hell. One of them being homosexuality. My daughter’s friends sister is gay suffers from severe depression regarding this and recently attempted suicide. I find that offensive, and I would not want to associate with people who condemned others to hell. My sister and her husband are atheists, their daughter had nightmares because she was told by a bunch of kids she was going to hell. Lastly, there are a lot of people who vehemently believe Catholics are not Christians, that’s fine but if you keep bringing it up to me and going on about how bad Catholics are, I am going to avoid interacting with you. My problem is not what others believe but how in your face they are about it. There is only so much I will put up with.
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Telling someone they are going to Hell is not the Catholic way. Jesus never told anyone they were going to hell… It is stated in the Book of James that we should work out our salvation with fear and trembling…And to those people who think that Catholics aren’t Christinas …I wouldnt even bother worrying about that. If one really investigates, one would know that the first Christian Church is the Catholic Church. It is apostolic…If they choose to believe what they want to believe, that is not my problem. I would rather pray for them than engage in a debate that won’t go anywhere…
 
DiZent said:
So my niece posted on facebook that she fired her dogsitter for being a “religious bigot”. I see no connection between the ability to dogsit and one’s religious beliefs. Now this is an informal kind of employment, and I suppose she has the right to discriminate about who comes to her home and around her family. Her pet issues are abortion and gay marriage - both of which she supports, and always makes negative comments, calling people who disagree “religious bigots”. It made me think about how high the stakes can be for standing up for your beliefs. If this were in the actual workplace, would the fired employee have any recourse? Just what are the criteria that makes one a “religious bigot”. Affiliation with a particular faith, voicing your opinion, praying in front of others? Seems all of these are protected, or are they? I don’t respond to her rants on facebook.
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I find that some Catholics/christians are so obnoxious about they way they present and share their beliefs that I have to stay away from them. Even though we hold some common beliefs!! If I had a dog sitter who was like some of my previous facebook friends who were obnoxious I would get a new dog sitter. It all depends on the presentation. Seriously, my atheist friends on facebook were kinder than all the Catholic ones I unfriended or don’t follow.

Same with you niece, regardless of faith or no faith I would not follow someone on facebook who was so negatively aggressive. If someone were vehemently prochoice and kept voicing their beliefs to me I would avoid them and fire them if they were my dog sitter. Same with obnoxious Catholics. I just have to avoid the negativity and the drama.

In work places people are expected to be reasonable. I would not be spouting all my theological beliefs at work. Nor would I want to hear unwelcome rants from my coworkers. Again, it is all in how you present yourself. If love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, compassion and self control are not your primary traits then it is good to rethink the way you are sharing your beliefs
 
DiZent said:
So my niece posted on facebook that she fired her dogsitter for being a “religious bigot”. I see no connection between the ability to dogsit and one’s religious beliefs. Now this is an informal kind of employment, and I suppose she has the right to discriminate about who comes to her home and around her family. Her pet issues are abortion and gay marriage - both of which she supports, and always makes negative comments, calling people who disagree “religious bigots”. It made me think about how high the stakes can be for standing up for your beliefs. If this were in the actual workplace, would the fired employee have any recourse? Just what are the criteria that makes one a “religious bigot”. Affiliation with a particular faith, voicing your opinion, praying in front of others? Seems all of these are protected, or are they? I don’t respond to her rants on facebook.
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So, all you actually know is the very first sentence – that your niece said she fired her dogsitter for being “a religious bigot.” You don’ t know what happened to cause this; you don’t know what, if anything, the dogsitter may have done that brought this on.

Is that really enough to go on, to be criticizing your niece, and have people here calling her a bigot? Without even bothering to ask her what happened?

Nice way to treat family.
 
I doubt that the dog really cared what the opinions of the dog sitter are on gay marriage or on abortion.

It’s an odd and self feeding dynamic that there has been a lot of bigotry practiced in the name of religion, which in turn has been a seed for reactionary bigotry against religious people. Top that with the age old practice of one religious group practicing bigotry against another. There is certainly enough bigotry to go around, religiously motivated, or otherwise motivated.

One observation about bigotry, is that the most bigoted people will even complain when those whom they are persecuting complain about the persecution. This has been seen repeatedly in the civil rights movement, and sometimes to line is gray. For example, is it a denial of women’s reproductive rights to deny them contraception, or is it an infringement on religious freedoms to require a religious employer to pay for that contraception. The answer is that both claims have merit, and that neither are being treated unfairly, but that it is a difficult balancing act to manage.

I would ask your niece just what this person’s religious beliefs had to do with the ability to care for the dog? Then I would ask her if perhaps she might have been acting in a bigoted way, by firing someone for reasons not related to job performance? Was your niece’s behavior not an example of bigotry?
 
If Christian bakers and florists have to service so-called gay “marriage” ceremonies, then by such logic this customer has a strong legal case against your niece.
 
DiZent said:
So my niece posted on facebook that she fired her dogsitter for being a “religious bigot”. I see no connection between the ability to dogsit and one’s religious beliefs. Now this is an informal kind of employment, and I suppose she has the right to discriminate about who comes to her home and around her family. Her pet issues are abortion and gay marriage - both of which she supports, and always makes negative comments, calling people who disagree “religious bigots”. It made me think about how high the stakes can be for standing up for your beliefs. If this were in the actual workplace, would the fired employee have any recourse? Just what are the criteria that makes one a “religious bigot”. Affiliation with a particular faith, voicing your opinion, praying in front of others? Seems all of these are protected, or are they? I don’t respond to her rants on facebook.
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Surprisingly I have no problem with what your niece did. You should be able to hire or fire a dogsitter for any reason you deem fit. I certainly do not like the reasons she used to “fire” her, but I sense there was probably more to it than that. But turnabout is fair play, I would like to be able to “fire” a dogsitter if I found them extremely unpleasant or obnoxious. If they came in talking of things I do not believe or find objectionable.
 
If the dogsitter is indeed an intolerant bigot and said hurtful things…I think one can, yes, be fired from a work place in that case.
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By not when he/she practices o-called gay “marriage” and signs a contract with a morality clause to teach in a private school?

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Hoosier_Daddy said:
Surprisingly I have no problem with what your niece did. You should be able to hire or fire a dogsitter for any reason you deem fit. I certainly do not like the reasons she used to “fire” her, but I sense there was probably more to it than that. But turnabout is fair play, I would like to be able to “fire” a dogsitter if I found them extremely unpleasant or obnoxious. If they came in talking of things I do not believe or find objectionable.
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Well, what I can say is that how the free market is supposed to work.

I don’t agree with those reasons, either, but if Catholic schools have to hire people romantically involved who live together without a valid marriage and if Christian bakeries have to service weddings they disagree with, then by that logic this dogsitter is being unlawfully discriminated against has a legal case.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Well, what I can say is that how the free market is supposed to work.

I don’t agree with those reasons, either, but if Catholic schools have to hire people romantically involved who live together without a valid marriage and if Christian bakeries have to service weddings they disagree with, then by that logic this dogsitter is being unlawfully discriminated against has a legal case.
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I have always been of the opinion that an employer should be able to fire an employee for any reason they deem appropriate.
 
DaddyGirl said:
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That sounds like “termination relativism”.

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Haha. Yes maybe it is. But I have always identified more with being an employer not an employee. And especially in a private business relationship you should be able to choose who you give money to for a service!
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
I have always been of the opinion that an employer should be able to fire an employee for any reason they deem appropriate.
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How about age?
How about religious beliefs?
How about gender?
How about sexual orientation?
How about skin color?

I know someone who is extremely bright and well educated. His MBA was from the most prestigious school in the country for his area of work. He was hired by a hotel chain out of New York. Marriott acquired the property he was working at in the 1980’s. The let him keep his job with a demotion. They allowed him to be a banquets bus boy, provided he could demonstrate that he knew how to bus a table. They actually set up a table and asked him to demonstrate for them. I’m not sure if the Mormon Church was still teaching that one’s skin would whiten as one continued to practice Mormonism at that time.

So, he left and went to work as a financial analyst elsewhere.

Would you say that Marriott was within their rights to treat him that way, due to the color of his skin?
 
epan said:
I’m not sure if the Mormon Church was still teaching that one’s skin would whiten as one continued to practice Mormonism at that time.
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This is a little off-topic, but I don’t understand the preference for lighter skin. Why is darker skin considered a bad thing? I think dark skin is very pretty! I’m golden-olive, from being Italian. I know real racism has existed, and still does, and that is wrong and doesn’t make sense.
 
DaddyGirl said:
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That sounds like “termination relativism”.

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Well, call it that if you want even if it’s not quite on part with what is meant.

But I’ll take people making decisions about their own lives over the government doing it for them.

Even if it hurts feelings. :bighanky:
 
epan said:
How about age?
How about religious beliefs?
How about gender?
How about sexual orientation?
How about skin color?

I know someone who is extremely bright and well educated. His MBA was from the most prestigious school in the country for his area of work. He was hired by a hotel chain out of New York. Marriott acquired the property he was working at in the 1980’s. The let him keep his job with a demotion. They allowed him to be a banquets bus boy, provided he could demonstrate that he knew how to bus a table. They actually set up a table and asked him to demonstrate for them. I’m not sure if the Mormon Church was still teaching that one’s skin would whiten as one continued to practice Mormonism at that time.

So, he left and went to work as a financial analyst elsewhere.

Would you say that Marriott was within their rights to treat him that way, due to the color of his skin?
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I think that if I have a dog, and that dog needs to be dog sat, and I have formal or informal agreement with a person to do it for say 20 dollars a week, that I should be able to terminate that relationship at any time for any reason. And yes that includes if I don’t like the way the person’s breath smells, the color they are wearing or if they are a racist neonazi, or if they are members of ISIS.

Why should I be held to the slavery of forcing my money to go into the pocket of someone I just don’t like week after week?
Do you feel that the Church should be made to hire Masons as priests? Or, if you owned a business and found out that your employee was a member of ISIS or a proponent of a movement to change laws to make child sex legal that you could not fire them from your own personal employment? Those are just religious or political beliefs…
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
I think that if I have a dog, and that dog needs to be dog sat, and I have formal or informal agreement with a person to do it for say 20 dollars a week, that I should be able to terminate that relationship at any time for any reason. And yes that includes if I don’t like the way the person’s breath smells, the color they are wearing or if they are a racist neonazi, or if they are members of ISIS.

Why should I be held to the slavery of forcing my money to go into the pocket of someone I just don’t like week after week?
Do you feel that the Church should be made to hire Masons as priests? Or, if you owned a business and found out that your employee was a member of ISIS or a proponent of a movement to change laws to make child sex legal that you could not fire them from your own personal employment? Those are just religious or political beliefs…
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I’m not sure if that goes quite to the question he asked. No question you can terminate an employee no longer needed, or not doing the job to your expectations.

But if the employer hires a person, perhaps pursuant to a phone interview, then discovers on the day they turn up for work that they are black, is it ok to fire the person immediately because his skin colour does not meet with the employer’s approval? Is this morally ok? Ought it to be legally ok?
 
I was taught that it was not polite to discuss politics or religion in the workplace. My co-workers know I am Catholic - some are also Catholic, some Protestant, some Jewish, some Muslim, etc. There is a lot of political correctness in a large workplace, but for the most part, I can share my faith with my co-workers in the spirit of “faith seeking understanding”. Certain topics are off limits, particularly any dissent regarding gay marriage or Obama.

As for the dog sitter, this type of employment is an informal arrangement “as needed”. My niece had the right to choose another dog sitter for any reason. No one would have known about the “religious bigot” claim if she had not posted it publicly on Facebook.
 
Mayita30 said:
Telling someone they are going to Hell is not the Catholic way. Jesus never told anyone they were going to hell… It is stated in the Book of James that we should work out our salvation with fear and trembling…And to those people who think that Catholics aren’t Christinas …I wouldnt even bother worrying about that. If one really investigates, one would know that the first Christian Church is the Catholic Church. It is apostolic…If they choose to believe what they want to believe, that is not my problem. I would rather pray for them than engage in a debate that won’t go anywhere…
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I agree, my point was do I want a person like that in my home when I am not around? I will avoid people who are in my face about these things. I would rather not pay them to walk my dogs. As a former dogwalker, it is an informal agreement and the main reason I was so successful when I had the business was because I was responsible. It was very difficult to find people to walk while I went on vacation or after I had kids. They would often not show up, or leave footprints on the floor, forget to latch the dog gate, these are people who have a real business. It was not once or twice either.
Lastly, because my family does have a couple of businesses that serve our community I am very careful about what I share on FB. I try and consider the big picture whenever I post. Your niece will likely have some consequences from that post. It wont be apparent at first because most people wont confront her upfront-nor should they, but just keep that in mind for the future. I think people think if they get a few likes and comments of approval everyone approves, not realizing that there may be a large amount of people quietly hitting theunfriend button.
 
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