First Anglican Use Mass today - impressions

[JurisPrudens]

I have been to the Anglican Use Mass for the first time today. Quite interesting. I cannot say it was perfect, mainly because the music was in the recording, as well as because there were only two attendants, me included (well, there was also a priest).

Basically, to me it looked like a typical Novus Ordo mass, except for additional prayers here and there (many of which are said by the congregation in chorus), the Roman Canon for anaphora and the old fashioned English. To me, as a non-native speaker, pronouncing slme words, like “taketh”, “giveth”, was particularly hard.

The experience and the people are quite interesting, neverheless, I might attend again at some point.

 

[porthos11]

You ought to check out the Ordinariate Mass in Calgary (Canada, not Scotland, heh heh; I know, a bit far from Scotland). It’s more of a typical Extraordinary Form Mass in English (complete with prayers at the foot of the altar, the older Offertory prayers, and the Last Gospel).

And for the Ordinariates, it’s no longer called Anglican Use. The official term, now firmly entrenched, is called “Divine Worship”, the Mass specifically being “Divine Worship: The Missal.”

 

[PopePiusXIISupp]

I have been to the Anglican Use Mass for the first time today. Quite interesting. I cannot say it was perfect, mainly because the music was in the recording, as well as because there were only two attendants, me included (well, there was also a priest).

Basically, to me it looked like a typical Novus Ordo mass, except for additional prayers here and there (many of which are said by the congregation in chorus), the Roman Canon for anaphora and the old fashioned English. To me, as a non-native speaker, pronouncing slme words, like “taketh”, “giveth”, was particularly hard.

The experience and the people are quite interesting, neverheless, I might attend again at some point.

I was told that the word that was highlighted was offensive. and only refer to mass when talking about "Traditional’ Mass

 

[peter26]

I attend Mass in the Divine Worship use every week. I can’t really imagine what it would be like with only recorded music I have to say, we have an organ every Sunday. But personally I really like all the prayers from the Book of Common Prayer that are used, especially the Prayer of Humble Access and the Confession. Divine Worship services also tend to attract reverent traditions and will be a good option for fans of the EF/TLM, as many of the same customs are used. As for the Elizabethan English, for someone not used to it, it will sound strange the first few times, but you’ll grow to love it if you keep going!

 

[twf]

You ought to check out the Ordinariate Mass in Calgary (Canada, not Scotland, heh heh; I know, a bit far from Scotland). It’s more of a typical Extraordinary Form Mass in English (complete with prayers at the foot of the altar, the older Offertory prayers, and the Last Gospel).

And for the Ordinariates, it’s no longer called Anglican Use. The official term, now firmly entrenched, is called “Divine Worship”, the Mass specifically being “Divine Worship: The Missal.”

I’ve been there for high mass a couple of times. Beautiful! Essentially the Tridentine mass sung in English in many regards.
I have to say though, I have a bone to pick with that parish! Last time I was in Calgary, I took a taxi to the church for the 7 PM Monday evening Low Mass only to find that it had been cancelled due to a retreat or whatnot…didn’t see anything on the website.

 

[thecolorsblend]

I have been to the Anglican Use Mass for the first time today. Quite interesting. I cannot say it was perfect, mainly because the music was in the recording, as well as because there were only two attendants, me included (well, there was also a priest).

Basically, to me it looked like a typical Novus Ordo mass, except for additional prayers here and there (many of which are said by the congregation in chorus), the Roman Canon for anaphora and the old fashioned English. To me, as a non-native speaker, pronouncing slme words, like “taketh”, “giveth”, was particularly hard.

The experience and the people are quite interesting, neverheless, I might attend again at some point.

I came to liturgical worship through Anglicanism. So I really cherish Anglican Use/Divine Worship because of how similar it is to that liturgy and will always be grateful to have it.

There are some differences beyond “thees” and “thous” though. Some different prayers that I don’t think exist in whatever we’re supposed to call the newer Mass. Apparently specificity is bad. Yes, the new Mass is structurally very similar to Anglican Use… but they’re still quite different from one another.

Also, the priests from the Anglican Use parish I sometimes attend offer Mass ad orientem, which I’ve never seen at any new Mass parish.

 

[R_H_Benson]

I have been to the Anglican Use Mass for the first time today. Quite interesting. I cannot say it was perfect, mainly because the music was in the recording, as well as because there were only two attendants, me included (well, there was also a priest).

Basically, to me it looked like a typical Novus Ordo mass, except for additional prayers here and there (many of which are said by the congregation in chorus), the Roman Canon for anaphora and the old fashioned English. To me, as a non-native speaker, pronouncing slme words, like “taketh”, “giveth”, was particularly hard.

The experience and the people are quite interesting, neverheless, I might attend again at some point.

I was under the impression that the Anglican Use Mass far more resembles an “English” Traditional Latin Mass than a Novus Ordo Mass?

 

[Chatter163]

I was under the impression that the Anglican Use Mass far more resembles an “English” Traditional Latin Mass than a Novus Ordo Mass?

That is quite true very often, but there is a wide range of options, and sometimes the options selected do look more like the Ordinary Form.

 

[R_H_Benson]

That is quite true very often, but there is a wide range of options, and sometimes the options selected do look more like the Ordinary Form.

Ahh, OK. Thanks. I know the one offered relatively close to where I live is quite traditional. I hope to attend soon to see for myself.

 

[ProVobis]

Are there texts available somewhere online? I’m afraid my old copy of the Anglican Use has been obsoleted according to what I’ve heard.

 

[smead2942]

I was told that the word that was highlighted was offensive. and only refer to mass when talking about "Traditional’ Mass

Novus Ordo Missae means “New Order of the Mass,” which it is-- when compared to the other rites of the Latin Church, the Mass of Paul VI is quite new. If anyone is offended by referring to the New Mass as such… well, sorry, I suppose.

 

[porthos11]

Novus Ordo Missae means “New Order of the Mass,” which it is-- when compared to the other rites of the Latin Church, the Mass of Paul VI is quite new. If anyone is offended by referring to the New Mass as such… well, sorry, I suppose.

It’s not as big a deal as many make it out to be; it becomes a thorny term due to its disparaging use by some traditionalists.

The Mass of Paul VI is really a novus Ordo Missae or novus (Ordo Missae) [to group the terms properly]. Paul VI made mention of the revised Mass as such, and in a fairly plain, unremarkable manner.

The term “novus ordo” is just fine and we all know what it means without reading disrespect into the term.

 

[thecolorsblend]

It’s not as big a deal as many make it out to be; it becomes a thorny term due to its disparaging use by some traditionalists.

The Mass of Paul VI is really a novus Ordo Missae or novus (Ordo Missae) [to group the terms properly]. Paul VI made mention of the revised Mass as such, and in a fairly plain, unremarkable manner.

The term “novus ordo” is just fine and we all know what it means without reading disrespect into the term.

Is there a reason we can’t call it the Ordinary Form and leave it at that? I would never want to upset somebody simply by my choice of words but I think someone might be a little overly sensitive here. Those apparently verboten terms are used by the Church. It’s unfortunate if an uncharitable traditionalist wants to use those terms as battering rams to attack someone with a different opinion but (speaking as somebody who doesn’t have to deal with moderating these issues) I don’t see what’s gained by making those terms taboo.

The only reason I’m even engaged on this is because there are so many different liturgical styles that simply calling one of them “the Mass” may be protective of someone’s comfort level but does nothing to achieve clarity. I regularly attend Anglican Use/Divine Worship, traditional Latin Mass and Ordinary Form (and love all three of them!) so I put a premium on accuracy here.

 

[porthos11]

Is there a reason we can’t call it the Ordinary Form and leave it at that? I would never want to upset somebody simply by my choice of words but I think someone might be a little overly sensitive here. Those apparently verboten terms are used by the Church. It’s unfortunate if an uncharitable traditionalist wants to use those terms as battering rams to attack someone with a different opinion but (speaking as somebody who doesn’t have to deal with moderating these issues) I don’t see what’s gained by making those terms taboo.

The only reason I’m even engaged on this is because there are so many different liturgical styles that simply calling one of them “the Mass” may be protective of someone’s comfort level but does nothing to achieve clarity. I regularly attend Anglican Use/Divine Worship, traditional Latin Mass and Ordinary Form (and love all three of them!) so I put a premium on accuracy here.

Ordinary Form is preferred and I would always use that in preference over anything else.

But on the flip side, I won’t get all fussy about “novus ordo” either.

The reason we can’t just stick to “Ordinary Form” is familarity; it’s a much newer phrase while “novus ordo” is more familiar and arguably rolls more smoothly off the tongue.

 

[ProVobis]

Ordinary Form is preferred and I would always use that in preference over anything else.

But on the flip side, I won’t get all fussy about “novus ordo” either.

The reason we can’t just stick to “Ordinary Form” is familarity; it’s a much newer phrase while “novus ordo” is more familiar and arguably rolls more smoothly off the tongue.

In my area, it is known as the English Mass, Spanish Mass, Polish Mass, or Latin Mass, perhaps Tridentine. Few people would know it as Extraordinary Form.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Ordinary Form is preferred and I would always use that in preference over anything else.

But on the flip side, I won’t get all fussy about “novus ordo” either.

The reason we can’t just stick to “Ordinary Form” is familarity; it’s a much newer phrase while “novus ordo” is more familiar and arguably rolls more smoothly off the tongue.

The whole thing seems rather silly to me.

I’ll refer to it as “Novus Ordo”. If a mod says not to, I’ll stop but I’m at a severe loss to understand how this Church-approved term could possibly be offensive to anyone.

 

[Don_Ruggero]

The whole thing seems rather silly to me.

I’ll refer to it as “Novus Ordo”. If a mod says not to, I’ll stop but I’m at a severe loss to understand how this Church-approved term could possibly be offensive to anyone.

Have no fear. I taught Liturgy and Sacraments at the graduate level for many years – and even a decade ago you didn’t have the option of “ordinary form” and “extraordinary form” because that vocabulary did not exist; the terms were only coined more than 40 years after the council. There are languages in which the expressions are decidedly less than felicitous.

I use Novus Ordo and Vetus Ordo because they are perfectly paired and they apply to the Mass, the other sacraments, the ritual for blessings, and the liturgy of the hours. I use the Latin terms, whichever language I am speaking or teaching in…and at this stage of life, I have no plans to change.

 

[Jean_Anthony]

I feel I should step in here. Novus Ordo and Vetus Ordo are perfectly acceptable terms on CAF, as are OF and EF. It’s half dozen of one and six of the other in importance.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Have no fear. I taught Liturgy and Sacraments at the graduate level for many years – and even a decade ago you didn’t have the option of “ordinary form” and “extraordinary form” because that vocabulary did not exist; the terms were only coined more than 40 years after the council. There are languages in which the expressions are decidedly less than felicitous.

I use Novus Ordo and Vetus Ordo because they are perfectly paired and they apply to the Mass, the other sacraments, the ritual for blessings, and the liturgy of the hours. I use the Latin terms, whichever language I am speaking or teaching in…and at this stage of life, I have no plans to change.

Fair enough. If it’s good enough for you, it’s good enough for me.