First cause question

[Pete_1]

Can energy be the first cause?, if not why?

 

[a_priori]

Can energy be the first cause?, if not why?

Energy in the physical world of time and space is actually energy/matter and could not have just preexisted. The problem of some measurable thing being a First Cause is like a “fish” being a First Cause without regard to where the fishtank (time/space) came from.

If we understand where the concept of “before and after” (time itself) came from and appreciate that “space” wasn’t always just “here” but had to be created as well, then the stuff that fills it (energy/matter) has less importance in terms of understanding a First Cause.

 

[Pete_1]

Don’t some people speculate energy always existed, what about the First law of Thermodynamics?

 

[a_priori]

Don’t some people speculate energy always existed, what about the First law of Thermodynamics?

The Law of Thermodynamics works in a system that operates within the backdrop of time and space. Can a photon preexist? Where did the photon come from apart of the hand of God?

We are left with two choices. Either a particle preexisted or God preexisted. I would argue that it takes much more faith to go with the particle.

 

[Pete_1]

Thanks, you pretty much answered my question about Thermodynamics , however their is this; if energy is eternal their would be no need for an unmoved mover, as energy moves itself.

 

[a_priori]

Thanks, you pretty much answered my question about Thermodynamics , however their is this; if energy is eternal their would be no need for an unmoved mover, as energy moves itself.

I would argue that energy (as it relates to thermodynamics) is not eternal. It had a beginning in time. Only God is eternal. We talk about the distinction between the “essence” of God and the “energies” of God but these are very different things. We have to use terms like “energies” because that is the best human language has to offer. But the “energy” of God and the energy of thermodynamics are just utterly and completely distinct from each other.

Thermodynamic energy is a function of the “energies” of God because He, as the First Cause", is its source. But that’s about as close as they get.

As with most things relating to God’s nature and intentions, human language utterly fails us. God gives us true revelation but not exhaustive revelation.

Like Dirty Harry said, “It takes a good man to know his limitations.” That’s where reasonable faith (not an oxymoron) comes in. IMHO

 

[jimmy85]

I agree with apriori, however I consider a bigger picture of the universe, in which the big bang singularity wasent the overall beginin of everything, but it was only the beginin of our universe. I think there could have been many big bangs, however still I think that the universe is not infinite but just really huge for us to understand it.
In my own opinion I think that perhaps the first cause could have been part of something more huge than the big bang we nowadays consider as the beginning of everything.