First Century Fragment of Gospel of Mark Discovered?

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It will be interesting to read if and when it’s vetted and published. Though, unless it’s dated in the mid-1st century, I’m not sure it will have quite the impact suggested. But if it’s more than a scrap, if it’s a coherent set of verses and really reliable dating, then it could be a pretty big deal.
 
The scholar making the claim, Dan Wallace, has been traveling quite extensively over the past few years making digital copies of ancient and very old copies of Biblical manuscripts from various monasteries and libraries throughout the world. The intent is to put them all online so scholars from around the world can have access to them and study manuscripts that are in remote areas or politically unstable countries very easily. They will also be able to manipulate digital images to possibly discover writing that had been erased or faded.

So if a scholar is going to make this discovery I would put my money on him to have found the fragment. It should be interesting to see if this pans out.

ChadS
 
Wow, that’s great. So, he found this in one of these monasteries? Possibly, something that they themselves didn’t realize what it was or they knew and kept it to themselves?
 
The scholar making the claim, Dan Wallace, has been traveling quite extensively over the past few years making digital copies of ancient and very old copies of Biblical manuscripts from various monasteries and libraries throughout the world. The intent is to put them all online so scholars from around the world can have access to them and study manuscripts that are in remote areas or politically unstable countries very easily. They will also be able to manipulate digital images to possibly discover writing that had been erased or faded.

So if a scholar is going to make this discovery I would put my money on him to have found the fragment. It should be interesting to see if this pans out.

ChadS
The Vatican has begun digitizing 80,000 manuscripts as well and intends to put in all online for the same reasons.

romereports.com/palio/vatican’s-library-begins-to-digitize-80000-of-its-manuscripts-with-nasa-technology-english-5590.html

Something like 45 petabytes of data.

-Tim-
 
very interesting i will follow this, wonder what the outcome will be
 
Wow, that’s great. So, he found this in one of these monasteries? Possibly, something that they themselves didn’t realize what it was or they knew and kept it to themselves?
I have no idea where this particular bit was discovered but it’s quite possible it was in a monastery. I know he’s taken trips to places like Greece and into the Balkans where he’s gone to monasteries that pretty much a day or more’s trip away from the end of the road and maybe only two or three monks still live at the place.

ChadS
 
I have no idea where this particular bit was discovered but it’s quite possible it was in a monastery. I know he’s taken trips to places like Greece and into the Balkans where he’s gone to monasteries that pretty much a day or more’s trip away from the end of the road and maybe only two or three monks still live at the place.

ChadS
Wallace said on the Hewitt blog that it was found in Egypt, and from what I have been reading they say it is from the time of some of the eyewitness to Christ and his resurrection. To me that spells out 40 to 70 ad, since I think if it’s past that time wouldn’t most of the eyewitnesses and disciples would be dead allready? I think the life expectancy was a little less than it is today isn’t it?
 
Wallace said on the Hewitt blog that it was found in Egypt, and from what I have been reading they say it is from the time of some of the eyewitness to Christ and his resurrection. To me that spells out 40 to 70 ad, since I think if it’s past that time wouldn’t most of the eyewitnesses and disciples would be dead allready? I think the life expectancy was a little less than it is today isn’t it?
Yes, people did live considerably shorter lives than we do today but there could’ve been many believers and eyewitnesses that lived past 70 AD, depending on their age when Christ was crucified. Don’t forget that the Apostle John didn’t die until 100 AD and there’s no telling how long the other apostles would’ve lived if they hadn’t been martyred themselves. St. Polycarp (whose feast day was just this past week) was taught by St. John and I believed he lived until 120 AD when he was martyred.

So I mean it’s possible the fragment could be from a slightly later time period than say 40 AD or so, but it would still make the fragment incredibly ancient and quite possibly the oldest surviving one found to date.

ChadS
 
Greetings in Christ!

Thanks to the guys over at Triablogue for tracking this…

Here is an excerpt from Wallace’s recent debate with Ehrman:

“However, in the last few months several very early fragments of the New Testament have been discovered. These will be published by an international scholarly publishing house in a book one year from now. By way of background, prior to this book, I mentioned that we knew of as many as a dozen second century manuscripts from the New Testament, that were in the second century. Once the book is published, the numbers will change dramatically. As many as 18 New Testament Manuscripts from the second century. Among the finds was also a fragment of Luke that is from the early second century. It thus rivals P52, that fragment that Bart showed you, the manuscript traditionally considered to be the oldest New Testament manuscript known to exist. And yet this new Luke fragment is not the oldest New Testament manuscript. The oldest manuscript of the New Testament is now a fragment from Mark’s Gospel that is from the first century. How accurate is the dating? Well, my source is a papyrologist who worked on this manuscript—a man whose reputation is unimpeachable. Many consider him to be the best papyrologist on the planet. His reputation is on the line with this dating and he knows it. But he is certain that this manuscript was from the first century. This papyrus fragment—just like the other new discoveries that we are preparing for publication—strongly confirms what most scholars have already said is the original text” (“Is the Original New Testament Lost?” (beginning at 1:13:45)).

Concerning Dan Wallace’s performance during the debate, Wallace himself commented here: Ehrman-Wallace Debate Wrap-Up, Comment 7, February 4, 2012.

In Christ,
Pete
 
One half of me is excited about this should it prove to be true, while the other half is a little skeptical. I mean, last year we had the Jordan Lead Codices, and we all know how that turned out. 🤷
 
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