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I recently learned that many (or all?) of the Eastern Catholic churches have infants get Holy Communion (unlike the Roman rite which waits until around 2nd grade).

It got me wondering. When do the children of the Eastern Churches typically have their first confession? In the Roman rite it is typically in the weeks before their first communion, but obviously that isn’t the case for our Eastern brothers & sisters.

Just curious.

Thank you

Michael
 
I recently learned that many (or all?) of the Eastern Catholic churches have infants get Holy Communion (unlike the Roman rite which waits until around 2nd grade).

It got me wondering. When do the children of the Eastern Churches typically have their first confession? In the Roman rite it is typically in the weeks before their first communion, but obviously that isn’t the case for our Eastern brothers & sisters.

Just curious.

Thank you

Michael
I always wondered why we give 2nd graders communion. I would think having confirmation in 2nd grade and first communion later at 16. The kids would be more mature and understanding.
 
I always wondered why we give 2nd graders communion. I would think having confirmation in 2nd grade and first communion later at 16. The kids would be more mature and understanding.
Why wait to confirm until age 16? All 3 sacraments of initiation (Baptism, Confirmation/Chrismation and Eucharist), should be given together about 40 days after birth. As was the Universal custom in the early church. The idea of withholding Eucharist and Chrismation makes NO sense. Why baptize someone and then excommunicate them for 7 years?
 
In answer to the OP. At least in the Byzantine churches children will make their first confession around age 7 or 8, whenever their parents think they are ready.
 
Why wait to confirm until age 16? All 3 sacraments of initiation (Baptism, Confirmation/Chrismation and Eucharist), should be given together about 40 days after birth. As was the Universal custom in the early church. The idea of withholding Eucharist and Chrismation makes NO sense. Why baptize someone and then excommunicate them for 7 years?
Indeed. I never understood the order in the current set up.
 
Yikes…didn’t mean to start up a debate on the topic. 😛
In answer to the OP. At least in the Byzantine churches children will make their first confession around age 7 or 8, whenever their parents think they are ready.
Thank you! This answered my question.
 
In answer to the OP. At least in the Byzantine churches children will make their first confession around age 7 or 8, whenever their parents think they are ready.
FWIW, the same is generally true among the Orientals as well. The timing is generally considered to be the “age of reason” meaning the age when a child begins to learn right from wrong. It can differ from person to person, but is normally between 6 and 8 years of age.

Unfortunately, most of the Oriental CCs have yet to free themselves of the latinization of “First Communion” at around that same age, but that’s another matter. 😉
 
I recently learned that many (or all?) of the Eastern Catholic churches have infants get Holy Communion (unlike the Roman rite which waits until around 2nd grade).

It got me wondering. When do the children of the Eastern Churches typically have their first confession? In the Roman rite it is typically in the weeks before their first communion, but obviously that isn’t the case for our Eastern brothers & sisters.

Just curious.

Thank you

Michael
My oldest child made his first confession when he was 7, at his request. His younger sister was 5, and she also went at her request, following her brother. Father had preached a homily, urging us all to get to confession during the fast. My children were inspired. They weren’t thoroughly prepared, but it was a beginning. My third child will turn 7 this month, and he isn’t really ready yet. Probably another year for that one. My 4th child is only 4, but I think she will be ready on the early side. The baby is only 2, so we’ll see about him, someday. We’re such a small parish that we don’t have classes separated by age group, so it is really up to the parents to do the preparation.
 
My oldest child made his first confession when he was 7, at his request. His younger sister was 5, and she also went at her request, following her brother. Father had preached a homily, urging us all to get to confession during the fast. My children were inspired. They weren’t thoroughly prepared, but it was a beginning. My third child will turn 7 this month, and he isn’t really ready yet. Probably another year for that one. My 4th child is only 4, but I think she will be ready on the early side. The baby is only 2, so we’ll see about him, someday. We’re such a small parish that we don’t have classes separated by age group, so it is really up to the parents to do the preparation.
Wow! Thanks for sharing. Your mention that religious formation is really up to the parents should be true in all cases, regardless of what size parish we are in, etc. This would be an ideal situation, causing the parents to study their own faith, strengthening it while imparting it to their children.
 
Why wait to confirm until age 16? All 3 sacraments of initiation (Baptism, Confirmation/Chrismation and Eucharist), should be given together about 40 days after birth. As was the Universal custom in the early church. The idea of withholding Eucharist and Chrismation makes NO sense. Why baptize someone and then excommunicate them for 7 years?
We wait to confirm because to be confirmed in the faith, ideally, one would have a more solid grasp of the faith.

I know as a fact that indeed my life would not have been the same if I had not been able to receive Confirmation as an adult. The absence of Confirmation and need to enter the catechesis needed for the completion of my Christian initiation was a major step in bringing me back to the Church. Perhaps, if I had already been confirmed, I would have had no special reason to turn back and look at the Church.

As for Communion, it is essential for us to discern the body of Christ. The holy father Pius X, a canonized saint, greatly urged children to receive Communion, for he (rightfully) perceived that many a child who has reached the age of reason has a much more clear perception of the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist than many adults. However, the Eucharist given before the age of reason means the communicant does not know what he is doing.

Mind you, I am very respectful of all Christian traditions. However, I do sense a bit of pride going on here. If Holy Church (or, rather, that apostolic Church that holds in her bosom the vast majority of Christianity) does keep this practice, then it is just wrong to say it makes no sense. Clearly it makes some sense, else the Holy Spirit would not have guided the Church to adopt this practice. Does the tradition of the other apostolic Church make sense? Although I mentioned a few objections above, same argument applies: the Holy Spirit would not have led this practice to be established through the ages if it was contrary to the faith.

Not understanding why the Church waits means the issue is on our side, not on the side of the Church.
 
We wait to confirm because to be confirmed in the faith, ideally, one would have a more solid grasp of the faith.

I know as a fact that indeed my life would not have been the same if I had not been able to receive Confirmation as an adult. The absence of Confirmation and need to enter the catechesis needed for the completion of my Christian initiation was a major step in bringing me back to the Church. Perhaps, if I had already been confirmed, I would have had no special reason to turn back and look at the Church.

As for Communion, it is essential for us to discern the body of Christ. The holy father Pius X, a canonized saint, greatly urged children to receive Communion, for he (rightfully) perceived that many a child who has reached the age of reason has a much more clear perception of the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist than many adults. However, the Eucharist given before the age of reason means the communicant does not know what he is doing.

Mind you, I am very respectful of all Christian traditions. However, I do sense a bit of pride going on here. If Holy Church (or, rather, that apostolic Church that holds in her bosom the vast majority of Christianity) does keep this practice, then it is just wrong to say it makes no sense. Clearly it makes some sense, else the Holy Spirit would not have guided the Church to adopt this practice. Does the tradition of the other apostolic Church make sense? Although I mentioned a few objections above, same argument applies: the Holy Spirit would not have led this practice to be established through the ages if it was contrary to the faith.

Not understanding why the Church waits means the issue is on our side, not on the side of the Church.
In reality it is the UNIVERSAL tradition of the Church to Baptize, Confirm, and administer the Eucharist, all to infants at the time of Baptism. For a number of PRACTICAL reasons in the West this was changed. I do NOT think it is prideful to encourage the Church to return to her roots and Traditions.

Once again who can really “UNDERSTAND” the Eucharist? The Eucharist is a Mystery not meant to be “understood”.
 
In reality it is the UNIVERSAL tradition of the Church to Baptize, Confirm, and administer the Eucharist, all to infants at the time of Baptism. For a number of PRACTICAL reasons in the West this was changed. I do NOT think it is prideful to encourage the Church to return to her roots and Traditions.

Once again who can really “UNDERSTAND” the Eucharist? The Eucharist is a Mystery not meant to be “understood”.
The reasons were guided by the light of the Holy Spirit. It is not up to me to question them. As for the universality of the tradition, it would not seem so, since the vast majority of Christianity for a very, very long time has not done thins this way.

Mind you, I am considered a “traditionalist” in the good meaning of the word, committed to several apostolates to encourage the Church to rediscover some great treasures of the faith, and I always encourage the reading of the Church Fathers to grasp the faith at a time where there was no Bible as we understand it now…

However, there is a major difference between promoting the “holding on to the tradition” of which the blessed apostles speaks of, and what we term the “vindication of the rights of antiquity”, that desire to somewhat restore the lost greatness of the Early Church which has been a root component of all Protestant heresies. I am presenting this not as an accusation (God forbid! your post is very edifying as also your intentions are!) but to make my point understandable and clarify why I spoke about pride in this context.

The Liturgy is Tradition at its strongest and best, and it is a growing Tradition, a mighty tree born of a tiny seed. Those who do not defend Tradition but instead vindicate antiquity affirm that we ought to return to the primitive, to the cradle of the Christian institutions, that the divine cult ought to be restored to its original purity, and yet, as Church Father Iraeaneus wrote, “they can bring about no ‘reformation’ of enough importance to compensate for the evil arising”.

In the early ages of the Church, confirmation was part of the rite of initiation, and consequently was administered immediately after baptism by the bishop. When, however, baptism came to be conferred by simple priests, while confirmation remains the privilege of the bishop, the two ceremonies were separated in the Western Church. Further, if the baptized was an infant, confirmation was not administered until the child had attained the use of reason.

Confirmation became a much more important rite when concerns about understanding and faith grew, in particular following the Reformation. The Council of Trent agreed that Confirmation can be administered to all persons after baptism, but that this is not expedient before the use of reason; and adds that it is most fitting that the sacrament be deferred until the child is seven years old, “for Confirmation has not been instituted as necessary for salvation, but that by virtue thereof we might be found well armed and prepared when called upon to fight for the faith of Christ, and for this kind of conflict no one will consider children, who are still without the use of reason, to be qualified.”

As for Communion: this is not about understanding the Eucharist, but about understanding who is the Eucharist. Nobody can understand God, but everyone receiving the divine mystery must ideally understand that God is really present, or as Cyril of Jerusalem writes, we must ideally be able to “not regard the bread and wine as simply that… for they are, according to the Master’s declaration, the body and blood of Christ.” And he adds: “even though the senses suggest to you the other, let faith make you firm.”. Now how can someone prior to the age of reason be made firm in faith, if he cannot grasp this? This, at least, is the understanding of the Catholic Church: know who you are receiving, be able to lift our eyes to the Bread of Life and hear in our heart the psalm: “be still, and know that I am God”.

Will this change in the future? I do not know and I do not hope so, for I profoundly believe that understanding is essential. Christ came in the flesh to reveal us a visible image/icon of the invisible God, and He said He no longer called us servants because servants don’t understand, but friends, because friends do understand. Matter of fact, I believe from my experience of catechism that Confirmation would better be hold until true adulthood and maturity are present, and after years of dedicated catechesis, though I rejoice that now children from the age of seven can receive the Lord in the Eucharist.
 
R_C, do you realize you seem to be, even if not intentionally, saying that the non-Latin Traditions regarding this are deficient since they (we) don’t wait until the developed use of reason?
 
As for Communion: this is not about understanding the Eucharist, but about understanding who is the Eucharist. Nobody can understand God, but everyone receiving the divine mystery must ideally understand that God is really present, or as Cyril of Jerusalem writes, we must ideally be able to “not regard the bread and wine as simply that… for they are, according to the Master’s declaration, the body and blood of Christ.” And he adds: “even though the senses suggest to you the other, let faith make you firm.”. Now how can someone prior to the age of reason be made firm in faith, if he cannot grasp this?
First, an anecdote: I sometimes take my two year old to daily Mass with me. On Sundays we attend our Byzantine rite parish and my children all receive communion. My older children have each asked to start receiving when we go to Mass around age 4. I always approach the priest and let him know the situation, and in every circumstance the priest has happily given my 4 or 5 year old communion. Recently, my 2 year old told me, as we were leaving the pew to approach for communion “Mommy, I want Jesus, too.” When I received and he did not, he started crying. This went on for a few weeks. Our Byzantine priest (with bi-ritual faculties), is saying the Mass at the Roman parish about 1/2 the time that we go. One day, he asked my 2 year old why he always cries when Mommy receives communion. My 2 year old answered “I want Jesus, too.” My priest shrugged and said, “I can give him Communion.” Sometimes the soul perceives what the mind is not yet able to.
This, at least, is the understanding of the Catholic Church: know who you are receiving, be able to lift our eyes to the Bread of Life and hear in our heart the psalm: “be still, and know that I am God”.
I am a member of the Catholic church. Both perspectives are legitimately held in the Catholic Church. The council of Trent taught that infants legitimately and fruitfully receive the Eucharist, although it is not necessary for their salvation.
Matter of fact, I believe from my experience of catechism that Confirmation would better be hold until true adulthood and maturity are present, and after years of dedicated catechesis, though I rejoice that now children from the age of seven can receive the Lord in the Eucharist.
The age at which one is confirmed is not so much the issue that I believe needs to be addressed as the reception of the sacraments of initiation out of the traditional order. We are dealing with a historical anomaly here that has only existed since the practice of an earlier first communion age became widespread in the Latin church. This has only been 100 years or so. We are not falling into antiquinarianism to believe that we need to look at the entire history of the church in evaluating the possibility of revising current practices.
 
R_C, do you realize you seem to be, even if not intentionally, saying that the non-Latin Traditions regarding this are deficient since they (we) don’t wait until the developed use of reason?
I was just pointing out why we do things the way we do them to the best of my understanding. I find the way we do things on this matter to be quite reasonable.

Never do I accuse the other apostolic traditions to be in error or somewhat deficient. I explicitly said that I respect the guidance of the Holy Spirit on those matters.

In the Orthodox Church, as far as I know, Chrismation is not reserved to the Bishop. This is a major difference, for in our case a priest baptizes many, but is not allowed to confirm - and thus in time the Sacrament developed as it did. But where the priest can confirm, it is quite obvious that there was never a reason to delay the Sacrament.

As for Communion to infants or children before the age of reason, I tried to mention why we do it this way, but I did not intend to criticize those who do otherwise…after all, certainly the Lord will rejoice and greatly bless the immaculate souls of those little angels…
 
First, an anecdote: I sometimes take my two year old to daily Mass with me. On Sundays we attend our Byzantine rite parish and my children all receive communion. My older children have each asked to start receiving when we go to Mass around age 4. I always approach the priest and let him know the situation, and in every circumstance the priest has happily given my 4 or 5 year old communion. Recently, my 2 year old told me, as we were leaving the pew to approach for communion “Mommy, I want Jesus, too.” When I received and he did not, he started crying. This went on for a few weeks. Our Byzantine priest (with bi-ritual faculties), is saying the Mass at the Roman parish about 1/2 the time that we go. One day, he asked my 2 year old why he always cries when Mommy receives communion. My 2 year old answered “I want Jesus, too.” My priest shrugged and said, “I can give him Communion.” Sometimes the soul perceives what the mind is not yet able to.
Thanks for sharing. I agree…as I sometimes serve and hold the paten under the communicant’s chin, I have noticed the look on the eyes of little children, and I am sure their pure souls have the potential to see way more than we imagine…
I am a member of the Catholic church. Both perspectives are legitimately held in the Catholic Church. The council of Trent taught that infants legitimately and fruitfully receive the Eucharist, although it is not necessary for their salvation.
Agreed 🙂 I just meant that it seems to be more fruitful when the communicant knows what is happening, because the grace we receive is not just ex opere operato, but also according to the disposition of our soul. Again, I am no legislator on these matters, I am just trying to learn and understand.
The age at which one is confirmed is not so much the issue that I believe needs to be addressed as the reception of the sacraments of initiation out of the traditional order. We are dealing with a historical anomaly here that has only existed since the practice of an earlier first communion age became widespread in the Latin church. This has only been 100 years or so. We are not falling into antiquinarianism to believe that we need to look at the entire history of the church in evaluating the possibility of revising current practices.
A very good point.
 
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