First day RCIA its already a mess please help

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BTW, what’s a sponser? I guess she’ll be my sponser anyway.
A sponser is a confirmed, preferably a practicing Catholic, who is supposed to help you learn the faith. The sponsor will pray over you during the rites of acceptence, sending, and election. The sponsor will also pray over you during the scrutinies.
 
Take the Catechism and/or the new Compendium with you. Read the answer right from the Catechism which JPII said is the “sure norm for teching the faith.”
 
today was our first day of RCIA the topic was faith. There is really no structure to the classes. Today we just talked about what everyone thought on the readings and what they thought faith to them was. No teaching on what faith means to the catholic church. Someone posed the question if it was ok to disegree with Catholic Church doctrine. The teacher did not give a stand on the issue. She basiclly said it was up to the individual, and they would not be considered a bad Catholic.

two years ago a man in the class said Mary was not an ever virgin. No one knew how to defend the church. I do know but at the time did not. This man left RCIA thinking catholiic teaching was wrong. The week after he left. This guy would be catholic If our teacher knew how to defend the faith. This is just one example of how she dont know how to defend our faith. She knows most of what the Church teaches but does not know how to defend it. So therefore our class shrenks every year.

today the issue came up that not only catholics will be in heaven like Jews, baptist, penticosltal, luteran, etc. but i made the coment that even though they will be in heaven we will all be catholic. That set off the class. A man said no where is Catholic in the bible. And our teacher said “he is a volenteer but I did not know he was going to say that.” If she knew that the Church Jesus founded and that is where he wants us to be then she would not have not said this. And she would have defended me. and if i was given the chance to prove we are the Church then beliveing in what all the Chruch teaches would not be such a problem to teach in RCIA.

any help? what do i do, go to the prest, will he take me serious im only 23. do i write a letter to the bishop?
  1. Take the issue up the Pastor. Some sort of lesson plan needs to be followed: We provide at our cost these three paperback books:
A. The Cathechism of the Catholic Church.
B. The Good News Bible(it contains the Deuterocanicals, it’s cheaper than the NAB paperback)
C. **This is our Faith **by Michael Francis Pennock

The class needs to be structured. PERIOD.

We go thru the last book. As we go along, I give the Biblical Basis for each paragraph of information. I use Scripture Catholic as my source for supporting Scripture.

There need to be at least one ground rule:

The class is not an oppurtunity for debate or counter arguing.
 
Hi. I had my first RCIA class last week. At my parish, for the first several weeks, we will be doing basically what the first poster described. We will be reading the Sunday readings, relating them to our own journey (if possible), and basically just talking. The first part of our RCIA is still Inquiry. We don’t get into more of the nuts-and-bolts of Catholicism until after the Rite of Acceptance (I think that is the one) which I believe takes place in November. I don’t have the RCIA calendar with me.
 
But, the CC does not teach this. The Catholic name is needed to distinguish our lot of Christians from other lots of Christians only because we are not in communion with them. If we were, this distinction of us from them would be not be needed.
No, you’ve got it backward. It’s the other groups that took names, in order to distinguish themselves from the Catholic Church. The word “Catholic” means “Universal” and exists to describe the very Church without any distinctions that we will be in heaven and hope to be on earth.
In heaven, these distinctions do not exist - all are in communion with one another.
Which is why everyone will be Catholic.
So there will be no need for the name.
“Catholic” isn’t a name, it’s a description.

Jeremy
 
In my opinion [chopped] …We choose practicing Catholics to be sponsors for our participants. They are expected to do (3) and (4) above , sit at Mass and be in class with their catachumen/candidate,to take part in the rites, and I think more importantly to share their own Faith journey with the catachemens/candidates. They ultimately become God parent to the catchumens at the Easter Vigil. Many of the friendships/relationships persist for years afterwards. I don’t recall that we got this role out of a book, but this is how we do it…
Thanks ,
How do you balance the need to quickly activate a sponsor for the candidate with the life long commitment of a Godparent?

What do you consider the duties/ role of Godparents when the candidate is adult?
 
I ran out to my local Catholic bookstore and picked up the Compendium… EXCELLENT RESOURCE! The new USCCB Adult Catechism was back ordered. A quick flip through one reserved copy on hand showed it to look pretty solid and informative. I’d recommend it.
 
but i made the coment that even though they will be in heaven we will all be catholic. That set off the class. A man said no where is Catholic in the bible. And our teacher said “he is a volenteer but I did not know he was going to say that.”
There are many terms in the Catholic fatih that are not stated in the Bible literally, but are revealed to us in the Bible indirectly. For example, other Christian denominations believe in the Trinity, but no where in the Bible do you find the word “Trinity”, but there are many verses in the Bible which prove the doctrine of the Trinity indirectly. The term “Purgatory” is not in the Bible as well, but 2 Maccabees 12:39-46 reveals it indirectly.

The booklet “The Catholic Church Has The Answer” by Paul Whitcomb, had helped me immensely in dealing with similar situations. In defending the Catholic faith, be prepared with scriptural references. Make a list if you have to, and put it in your Bible.
 
Hi. I had my first RCIA class last week. At my parish, for the first several weeks, we will be doing basically what the first poster described. We will be reading the Sunday readings, relating them to our own journey (if possible), and basically just talking. The first part of our RCIA is still Inquiry. We don’t get into more of the nuts-and-bolts of Catholicism until after the Rite of Acceptance (I think that is the one) which I believe takes place in November. I don’t have the RCIA calendar with me.
That sounds right. At our parish, we are moving towards year-round RCIA. I am in charge of the Inquiry section, (in year-round RCIA, each section is separate, and both Inquiry and Catechesis are available all year round instead of only during certain times of the year) and that’s exactly what the Inquiry section is all about - asking questions, becoming grounded in the basics, and getting comfortable with the process.
 
No, you’ve got it backward. It’s the other groups that took names, in order to distinguish themselves from the Catholic Church. The word “Catholic” means “Universal” and exists to describe the very Church without any distinctions that we will be in heaven and hope to be on earth.

That’s what I said.​

(So-called) heretics often regarded themselves as Catholics - the Arians thought of themselves as Catholics, because there were already, before Arius, other groups claiming to be Christian, which both Arians & their “Catholic” critics regarded as heretical. Those whom we call Catholics differed from the Arians only by including the Arians in the set of heretics. Both Arius & his opponent Athanasius would have regarded Marcion and the Marcionites as heretics, therefore, not as Christians. To be the one, entailed not being the other. Athanasius merely happened to think that Arius was as much a heretic - therefore, as much a non-Christian - as both would have thought Marcion & the Marcionites to be.

The Orthodox call themselves Catholics, though we Romans do not call them that. Neither we nor the Orthodox call the Copts Catholic - but the Copts do. The Assyrian & Armenian Churches call themselves Catholics. In fact, over on the Orthodox forum there is a lot of grumbling at the Roman appropriation of the Catholic name, precisely because the Orthodox regard us as heretics; therefore, as having no right to call ourselves Catholics.

In heaven these distinctions will be needless, because only men need them - God, Who sees us as we really are, does not.

As for Catholic being a name: tertullian.org/fathers/pacian_1_letter1.htm

“And yet, my brother, be not troubled; **Christian is my name, but Catholic my surname. The former gives me a name, the latter distinguishes me. **By the one I am approved; by the other I am but marked.”

So:
  1. It is a name
  2. It is a means to distinguish one man from another - IOW, it is name which functions as a description; which is what names are meant to do. Millions of men are called John - so they need to be distinguished one from another; so they have surnames.
So with the Church - it valued doctrine, so it wanted to distinguish those whom it regarded as holding false doctrines from those in communion with itself, who hold true doctrine. So the description “catholic” became the name “Catholic”, to mean someone who, unlike those false Christians, those heretics & schismatics & apostates, was in the true Church and the true faith, & had access to genuine & fruitful sacraments. ##
Which is why everyone will be Catholic.

“Catholic” isn’t a name, it’s a description.

Jeremy
 
Thanks ,
How do you balance the need to quickly activate a sponsor for the candidate with the life long commitment of a Godparent?

What do you consider the duties/ role of Godparents when the candidate is adult?
By the end of the period sponsors and candidate/catachumens have usually bonded to the extent that they become fast friends and relationships often continue on for years. Of course not all of them continue forever, but many do. Our oldest catachumen was 80 plus years old and died not long after becoming a Catholic. Our oldest living sponsor so far is 84 and still going strong. One who was in his late 80’s has passed on but his candidate who was younger is still doing well. I see her at Bible studies and at Mass every so often. We start off with a group of inquires and a group of potential sponsors on day one, after a bit we ask them to pair up with someone they take a liking to. Left over sponsors can stay on to renew their knowledge or stop coming. It seems to work and we try to discourage husband/wife pairing although a Catholic spouse is always welcome to be present in the group as a non-sponsor or sponsor to someone other than their spouse or fiancee.

I don’t think we have ever considered the God-parent responsibility to the adults outside of staying in touch and encouraging one another. It is really difficult to call another adult to task for some mess up, although it has been done on ocassion(sic). I would say the biggest problem is that in our parish( about 800 families) there are a fair number of people who get transferred by their employer and we have no idea if the sponsor/convert relationship continues.
 
Everyone wish me luck as tonight is our first official session. After making the journey last year I volunteered to help out this year! I can’t wait to share my enthusiasm for the faith!
 
Everyone wish me luck as tonight is our first official session. After making the journey last year I volunteered to help out this year! I can’t wait to share my enthusiasm for the faith!
congratulations, the best catechists and sponsors we have are those who came through the RCIA process themselves, and these are also the people who add so much energy to our parish activities and ministries. any catechist should be willing to admit what he or she does not know, which is vaster than what he does know, and be continually growing in the faith. Teaching it to others is the best way to do this, so this will be an enriching and grace-filled year for you.
 
Lol, so far, my role has been to be constantly quizzed about what I thought worked, didn’t work, or could be done better. We’re moving up the explaination of the Mass as I pointed out even someone as enthusiastic as I was to join was scared to death of the Mass. Seriously, I started going to inquirer sessions in May of 05 but didn’t get myself into going to Mass regularly until the following October.

Anywho…
 
thanks for all the replies my teacher is a good woman, Ive known her for sometime. I just wish she didnt pick and choose, and aprove others of doing so. I like being there to help spread the truth. God bless everyone keep us in your prayers.
 
Go get a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You can also get a software copy of it for your computer. I can give you additional help. I work as a team member of the RCIA in my parish, and am beginning my sixth year. I suggest that we pray the prayer to the Holy Spirit each evening and find where He will lead you in undoing the mixed up ways you are seeing.

John Lemburg
 
today was our first day of RCIA the topic was faith. There is really no structure to the classes. Today we just talked about what everyone thought on the readings and what they thought faith to them was. No teaching on what faith means to the catholic church. Someone posed the question if it was ok to disegree with Catholic Church doctrine. The teacher did not give a stand on the issue. She basiclly said it was up to the individual, and they would not be considered a bad Catholic.

two years ago a man in the class said Mary was not an ever virgin. No one knew how to defend the church. I do know but at the time did not. This man left RCIA thinking catholiic teaching was wrong. The week after he left. This guy would be catholic If our teacher knew how to defend the faith. This is just one example of how she dont know how to defend our faith. She knows most of what the Church teaches but does not know how to defend it. So therefore our class shrenks every year.

today the issue came up that not only catholics will be in heaven like Jews, baptist, penticosltal, luteran, etc. but i made the coment that even though they will be in heaven we will all be catholic. That set off the class. A man said no where is Catholic in the bible. And our teacher said “he is a volenteer but I did not know he was going to say that.” If she knew that the Church Jesus founded and that is where he wants us to be then she would not have not said this. And she would have defended me. and if i was given the chance to prove we are the Church then beliveing in what all the Chruch teaches would not be such a problem to teach in RCIA.

any help? what do i do, go to the prest, will he take me serious im only 23. do i write a letter to the bishop?
My gosh… terrible…

I went to one parish and found RCIA to be VERY lacking that way and it was LED by the priest himself… went to another and it’s WONDERFUL and led by a lay Catholic who is VERY knowledgeable. I don’t get how they can allow someone without any “apologetics” knowledge at all to teach the class. The one teaching MUST be able to defend the faith… or they are going to lose many potential believers… especially those with a protestant background!

Perhaps you should start with the priest… and pray pray pray that someone else is able to step in and renew the program.
 
Jeremiah 7- Say not " I am too young" To whomever I send you , you shall go, whatever I command you, you shall speak.

I would say you need to inform the bishop and also the pastor of this. If they do not know what is going on, they cannot change it.

I have a friend who is a priest, he recently had a HUGE RCIA class (over 100 people). The reason it was so large is that he invited everyone. There were people who said they had been teaching the faith for twenty years, he replied, come and make sure you are teaching the right things.

Just point out that the Church authority needs to make a change, or inform their teachers better, perhaps you will start a reform ( a good one)

A lone Raven
 
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