First ordination to the priesthood in US of married Maronite deacon

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The reason the Latin bishops are reluctant to see such a phenomenon is that the faithful (many of which unfortunately seem to get all their adult faith formation from the pulpit alone) might be confused and think this means that priests could marry, as in the practice of the Protestants.
In my opinion, that the faithful “could” be confused, is a very poor excuse to ignore Tradition. Catechisis is key, seems even many priests were never properly catechised on this subject and therefore taught error or half-truths. How could they then be expected to pass on the full Truth of the matter, unless they self-studied Eastern sources?
 
In my opinion, that the faithful “could” be confused, is a very poor excuse to ignore Tradition. Catechisis is key, seems even many priests were never properly catechised on this subject and therefore taught error or half-truths. How could they then be expected to pass on the full Truth of the matter, unless they self-studied Eastern sources?
Okay, I understand you. Heck, I actually agree with you. But what would happen if this became the norm?

You’d have parishioners sending angry, nasty letters to the bishops (not that this unfortunately isn’t a practice already) expressing how they feel misled by the bishops seeming to “change tradition”.

You’ll get the dissenting Catholics calling the Latin bishops hypocrites for letting some priests marry while barring It from others (yes, this is erroneous, but this kind isn’t exactly the best informed on doctrine).

Some might even threaten to leave the Church because of a mistaken belief that priestly celibacy in the West is something unchangeable, and if that changes, Catholicism must be false (remember, these are the sort of people who left when the Pope relaxed fasting in the 60s for Latins)

That causes large headaches for the Latin Bishops. Yes, I know Bishop Ireland was wrong. But now the Latin hirearchy in the United States will have to deal with all hell breaking loose if they let this happen. They would have to reap the whirlwind where the sower is unfortunately long dead. So while I don’t agree with it, I understand why they would hold to this line. It takes time and effort to rectify a century of damage, time they might feel they do not have when crises rock the Latins in this country.

Which is why I would support the Holy Father intervening generally.
 
The local bishop of the place has jurisdiction over all priests in his diocese save those incardinated into other overlapping ordinaries’ jurisdictions (ordinariates, ECC’s Eparchies, personal prelatures, religious orders).

Within most of the west, the local territorial ordinary is the Roman Rite bishop.
Where overlapping juridictions exist, people are under the care of their own bishop or ordinary if his jurisdiction overlaps, or under the care of the local Roman if not.

In the continental US, if you’re Ruthenian, Ukrainian, Slovenian, Italo-Albanian, Chaldean, Syro-Malabar, Syro-Malankar, Maronite, Melkite, Romanian, you have a bishop (The Slovenians and Italo-albanians are assiged to the Ruthenians by Rome; if you’re Anglican in Union with Rome, you’ve a non-bishop as your Ordinary, but he has the same authority (just can’t ordain people).

In the Continental US, if you’re Russian GCC, you’re under your local roman bishop.

The others, I’m not certain.

Religious gets complicated - but generally, Religious priests assigned to a house of their order are not under the local bishop; Religious priests on loan to a diocese come under the authority of the bishop (but they generally aren’t supposed to be doing that anymore). Within the walls and/or grounds of a religious community’s house/priory/convent/monastery/abbey of the western church, you’re outside the authority of the bishop. Eastern Monastic Communities are traditionally under the authority of a particular bishop - usually either the local bishop or the patriarch, but some are papal right and thus almost exactly like the western orders for this purpose.
One more that I know of. The Armenian Catholics in the U.S. and Canada have their own bishop.
 
You’d have parishioners sending angry, nasty letters to the bishops (not that this unfortunately isn’t a practice already) expressing how they feel misled by the bishops seeming to “change tradition”.
Most Maronite parishes are attended almost exclusively by Lebanese. Lebanese are used to their country where 40% of the clergy is married. If this argument is a reasonable one to consider, the same should be said about the scandal thats caused when there are no married priests at all in the US.

But again, it won’t be an issue. Each married deacon needs to be approved by Rome and this only is an option in the western eparchy, i.e. not an issue. At most, in the next 10years there’ll be 3 US Maronite parishes with married priests. Hardly enough to produce scandal.
 
One more that I know of. The Armenian Catholics in the U.S. and Canada have their own bishop.
I think Slovak was intended instead of Slovenian, and also add Syriac to your Armenian.

The Slovenians are under jurisdiction of The Byzantine Church of Croatia, Serbia and Montenegro (one bishop for Croatia, Bosnia Herzegovina, and Slovenia plus an exarch for Serbia and Montenegro). I know one person from that church in our Byzantine parish.
 
Indeed. We’re not quite sui iuris if every time we want to do an ancient tradition one of our bishops has to go kowtow to the Curia. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next bishop of Los Angeles reverts to not permitting married priests to serve in his diocese, just like the bishop of Brooklyn.
Our Lady of Lebanon, the seat of the Maronite Bishop in Brooklyn, is just a few blocks from my home. I’m not at all sure how things work within the Maronite heirarchy, and what their relationship with the Latin Rite hierarchy is.

Would Bishop Mansour, the Maronite Bishop, have to get Bishop DiMarzio’s (the Latin Rite bishop) permission to have a married priest in his diocese? Would he need Bishop DiMarzio’s permisson to ordain a married man? Actually, do Maronites ordain married men, or do they just permit priests to get married once they’re ordained?

On a side note, at Mass on Christmas in my parish, St. Charles Borromeo, the pastor introduced us to a new priest in the parish, and said we shouldn’t be surprised if we saw him in the neighborhood with his wife and kids – he’s a convert from the Episcopal Church. So we’ve got a married priest now too.
 
Our Lady of Lebanon, the seat of the Maronite Bishop in Brooklyn, is just a few blocks from my home. I’m not at all sure how things work within the Maronite heirarchy, and what their relationship with the Latin Rite hierarchy is.

Would Bishop Mansour, the Maronite Bishop, have to get Bishop DiMarzio’s (the Latin Rite bishop) permission to have a married priest in his diocese? Would he need Bishop DiMarzio’s permisson to ordain a married man?
No. The Eparchy of St Maron of Brooklyn is a full diocese in its own right. It does NOT depend on the Diocese of Brooklyn for anything whatsoever,
Actually, do Maronites ordain married men, or do they just permit priests to get married once they’re ordained?
No. A married man can be ordained to the priesthood, but an ordained priest (or deacon, for that matter) may NOT marry.
 
No. The Eparchy of St Maron of Brooklyn is a full diocese in its own right. It does NOT depend on the Diocese of Brooklyn for anything whatsoever.
In theory… although I’m sure if the Eparchy of Brooklyn ever decided to ordained a married deacon (which will never happen because the bishop is expressly against it) I guarantee you he’d go and ask Cardinal Dolan for “permission” or, at the very least, make sure it doesn’t “offend” him.
 
In theory… although I’m sure if the Eparchy of Brooklyn ever decided to ordained a married deacon (which will never happen because the bishop is expressly against it) I guarantee you he’d go and ask Cardinal Dolan for “permission” or, at the very least, make sure it doesn’t “offend” him.
You’re 100% correct about the disposition of the Ordinary, so this is all hypothetical, but I doubt he would bother with doing that. If (and it really is a huge IF) he were ever to consider ordaining a married deacon to priesthood, he would most likely be content with “permission” from the masters in Rome. Now, what went into that “permission” is another matter entirely. 😉
 
In theory… although I’m sure if the Eparchy of Brooklyn ever decided to ordained a married deacon (which will never happen because the bishop is expressly against it) I guarantee you he’d go and ask Cardinal Dolan for “permission” or, at the very least, make sure it doesn’t “offend” him.
Cardinal Dolan is the archbishop of New York. Wouldn’t he ask Bishop DiMarzio, the bishop of Brooklyn (if he were to ask anyone)?
 
Cardinal Dolan is the archbishop of New York. Wouldn’t he ask Bishop DiMarzio, the bishop of Brooklyn (if he were to ask anyone)?
No. It’s complicated; despite the fact that the Eparchy of Brooklyn is not subject only to the Patriarch of Antioch, the bishop of Brooklyn thinks that we are subject to the USCCB and the nearest archbishopric by de facto.
 
No. It’s complicated; despite the fact that the Eparchy of Brooklyn is not subject only to the Patriarch of Antioch, the bishop of Brooklyn thinks that we are subject to the USCCB and the nearest archbishopric by de facto.
Confusing. And fascinating.

I’ve always been tempted to go to mass at Our Lady of Lebanon one of these Sundays. It’s just around the corner from my home, and I’d love to experience the Maronite rite.

Think I’d be welcome?
 
Confusing. And fascinating.

I’ve always been tempted to go to mass at Our Lady of Lebanon one of these Sundays. It’s just around the corner from my home, and I’d love to experience the Maronite rite.

Think I’d be welcome?
Why not? Several people from the neighborhood are “regulars” as it is. 🙂
 
I’ve always been tempted to go to mass at Our Lady of Lebanon one of these Sundays. It’s just around the corner from my home, and I’d love to experience the Maronite rite.
Just don’t forget to come back here and tell us about your experience. 👍
 
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