First Reconciliation - Priest Denies Absolution to Many 2nd Graders (not just mine)

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I just received a call from my parish education department that our new priest has determined that a number of the 2nd grade kids did not perform well enough at first reconciliation, so he did not grant them absolution. BTW…4 other priests were there (it’s a large parish) and NONE of the other priests refused absolution.

I was told it is because my son was not able to recite the Hail Mary and Our Father (which he recites very well at home) and because he didn’t appear to have thought hard enough about his sins. My son has attended all of the required classes, and we followed the at home instructions from the parish about self evaluation, procedure and memorizing prayers.

I’m shocked and completely heart broken. I’ve never heard of this. Has this ever happened to anyone else? I really feel like a call to the Diocese is in order, but I don’t know since there is nothing they can do about it now.
 
Make an appointment with one of the other priests so that your son can get his absolution. He will no doubt have to confess again, but maybe they can get him past this hurdle. Also, maybe contact your bishop and ask him if this is a “new normal.” 🤷
 
Good grief, I’ve never heard of such a thing. It’s a first confession! The children of course have the right to go to another priest, but this is just crazy.
 
I understand your shock and I if it was my child here is what I would do:
I would formally write the Pastor with a copy to my Bishop, sending along a copy of whatever letter they sent home telling me that my child was denied absolution because of [insert whatever they formally told you] and respectfully but bluntly inform the Pastor and Bishop that I believe by identifying what my son did or did not say in confession the Priest has violated the Seal of the Confessional and ask the Pastor and the Bishop to formally look into the matter.
It does not matter the age, the Seal applies to all confessions and the only way for the PREP program to know is either for your son to tell them or for the Priest. This situation makes me very uncertain and should be looked into.
 
That’s why we keep our kids out of CCE(D?) and teach our kids their Catechism at home. We know without doubt when they are ready for confession/First Communion, and take them to out Priest for a private evaluation. No surprises that way. 😃
 
I understand your shock and I if it was my child here is what I would do:
I would formally write the Pastor with a copy to my Bishop, sending along a copy of whatever letter they sent home telling me that my child was denied absolution because of [insert whatever they formally told you] and respectfully but bluntly inform the Pastor and Bishop that I believe by identifying what my son did or did not say in confession the Priest has violated the Seal of the Confessional and ask the Pastor and the Bishop to formally look into the matter.
It does not matter the age, the Seal applies to all confessions and the only way for the PREP program to know is either for your son to tell them or for the Priest. This situation makes me very uncertain and should be looked into.
FWIW, this would not constitute the breaking of the seal of confession. It sounds like he asked each student some basic catechism questions and prayers to discern if each child could actually make a confession to begin with. I would be upset too…but he was well within his right to deny the Sacrament if he felt the children were not ready.

ETA: It sounds like some of the kids just froze up under pressure when asked questions. Personally, I would make an appointment with the Priest that denied the Sacrament and have a private session with him and my child to show what my child really knows…without the pressure of being put “on the spot”.
 
I just received a call from my parish education department that our new priest has determined that a number of the 2nd grade kids did not perform well enough at first reconciliation, so he did not grant them absolution. BTW…4 other priests were there (it’s a large parish) and NONE of the other priests refused absolution.

I was told it is because my son was not able to recite the Hail Mary and Our Father (which he recites very well at home) and because he didn’t appear to have thought hard enough about his sins. My son has attended all of the required classes, and we followed the at home instructions from the parish about self evaluation, procedure and memorizing prayers.

I’m shocked and completely heart broken. I’ve never heard of this. Has this ever happened to anyone else? I really feel like a call to the Diocese is in order, but I don’t know since there is nothing they can do about it now.
This seems very odd. It is hard for any of us to comment because the priest, in Chirst’s place, deserves our respect and recognition of his authority in the confessional. Perhaps he had good reasons for denying absolution.

But I will say that not being able to recite certain prayers is certainly not a reason to deny absolution.

And I agree that you should take your son to another priest. Maybe just mention to your son that the other priest felt he wasn’t quite ready, but if he just speeks honestly to this next priest everything should be fine.
 
If we want to teach our kids to go to confession and encourage them to take part in the sacrament, that kind of stuff isn’t good.
 
Actually, as an alternative to merely seeking another priest, I like this suggestion:
ETA: It sounds like some of the kids just froze up under pressure when asked questions. Personally, I would make an appointment with the Priest that denied the Sacrament and have a private session with him and my child to show what my child really knows…without the pressure of being put “on the spot”.
 
The priest was within his right to deny confession…if the children in his view were not ready to make a GOOD confession because they obviously did not do anything thinking about their sins and prepared properly… I would have done the same thing!

It’s not about going through motions, or classes, or paying dues…it’s about forming a conscience and preparing them to live out their faith PROPERLY and a BIG part of that is saying a confession rightly because it is the sacrament that helps us heal and grow spiritually. He might have done them the biggest favor! So I wouldin’t be too hard on this priest.

There are a lot of lax priests, ministers, and lay people in the church…and that is not a good thing. Just because the other priests gave absolution dosen’t mean the one that didn’t did something wrong. Having authority to forgive sins in Christ’s name puts an AWSOME responsibility on the one that has the ability…THEY have to answer to God for those they absolve and for those they choose not to…it’s a heavy responsibility. And lets face it, many kids in catechism think it’s a joke and don’t prepare for anything (I’ve been a catechist with my wife for several years).

God bless
 
Actually, I would say that a call to the diocese is definitely in order. Unless the details you know were told to you by your son, the fact that you have any knowledge regarding what went on during his confession is extremely problematic. I’m ignoring for the moment whether refusing absolution is appropriate or a good idea, as I am more concerned about the seal of the confessional. Perhaps it might be allowable for a call to be made to ALL the parents informing them that the priest found some of the class to be insufficiently prepared to receive the sacrament, for the priest to clarify what he considers to be well prepared, and that he only provides absolution to those he considers properly prepared. However, whether any particular individual received absolution absolutely should not be disclosed, nor why any particular individual was denied absolution. Absolutely nothing that went on inside the confessional may be revealed in any form or fashion.

The ONLY person who could legitimately reveal any of the details, whether that he personally did not receive absolution, that he had trouble reciting his prayers during confession, or that the priest believed he had not thought hard enough about his sins is your son (or someone who your son has previously revealed this to outside the confessional). I disagree with some earlier posters regarding whether this may be breaking the seal of the confessional. If the statement were that your son was denied admittance to the sacrament, that would be one thing. A priest might legitimately ask him to recite some prayers to demonstrate understanding prior to even beginning the sacrament, ideally prior to entering a confessional (to be clear that the sacrament has not begun). However, any questions concerning the nature of his sins absolutely cannot occur outside the confessional (anything more specific than have you thought about your sins to prepare to receive the sacrament). Therefore, unless your son told the priest outside the confessional that he had not thought much about his sins, there is no way the priest should be able to say your son has not thought hard enough about his sins.

Of course, I am also concerned about a priest denying absolution; the requirement of imperfect contrition is not all that demanding. While I understand that absolution is refused to a person who is invalidly married until that person professes an intention to refrain from further sin, there don’t seem to be the same sort of opportunities for a small child to be obstinate in their sin. Certainly, when they confess to lying, both they and the priest may be aware that they will likely lie again in the future, but that is not a barrier to absolution as long as they are currently sorry. If I were a priest, I expect I would likely only deny absolution to a small child in cases where they either tell me in confession that they are not sorry for it, that it was worth it, that they would do it over again if given the choice, or that they intend to do it in the future (and not just that they are afraid they will fall into the same sin again).

In short, there are potential ways that this could have not violated the seal of the confessional, but I would expect that even the appearance that the seal of the confessional being violated, is sufficiently serious that the bishop would want to know.
 
Actually, I would say that a call to the diocese is definitely in order. Unless the details you know were told to you by your son, the fact that you have any knowledge regarding what went on during his confession is extremely problematic. I’m ignoring for the moment whether refusing absolution is appropriate or a good idea, as I am more concerned about the seal of the confessional. Perhaps it might be allowable for a call to be made to ALL the parents informing them that the priest found some of the class to be insufficiently prepared to receive the sacrament, for the priest to clarify what he considers to be well prepared, and that he only provides absolution to those he considers properly prepared. However, whether any particular individual received absolution absolutely should not be disclosed, nor why any particular individual was denied absolution. Absolutely nothing that went on inside the confessional may be revealed in any form or fashion.

The ONLY person who could legitimately reveal any of the details, whether that he personally did not receive absolution, that he had trouble reciting his prayers during confession, or that the priest believed he had not thought hard enough about his sins is your son (or someone who your son has previously revealed this to outside the confessional). I disagree with some earlier posters regarding whether this may be breaking the seal of the confessional. If the statement were that your son was denied admittance to the sacrament, that would be one thing. A priest might legitimately ask him to recite some prayers to demonstrate understanding prior to even beginning the sacrament, ideally prior to entering a confessional (to be clear that the sacrament has not begun). However, any questions concerning the nature of his sins absolutely cannot occur outside the confessional (anything more specific than have you thought about your sins to prepare to receive the sacrament). Therefore, unless your son told the priest outside the confessional that he had not thought much about his sins, there is no way the priest should be able to say your son has not thought hard enough about his sins.

Of course, I am also concerned about a priest denying absolution; the requirement of imperfect contrition is not all that demanding. While I understand that absolution is refused to a person who is invalidly married until that person professes an intention to refrain from further sin, there don’t seem to be the same sort of opportunities for a small child to be obstinate in their sin. Certainly, when they confess to lying, both they and the priest may be aware that they will likely lie again in the future, but that is not a barrier to absolution as long as they are currently sorry. If I were a priest, I expect I would likely only deny absolution to a small child in cases where they either tell me in confession that they are not sorry for it, that it was worth it, that they would do it over again if given the choice, or that they intend to do it in the future (and not just that they are afraid they will fall into the same sin again).

In short, there are potential ways that this could have not violated the seal of the confessional, but I would expect that even the appearance that the seal of the confessional being violated, is sufficiently serious that the bishop would want to know.
Excellent post.

I find this situation disturbing in the extreme, for a number of reasons. Were the children apprised of the fact that they would have to recite prayers? (And when has it been necessary to recite anything other than an Act of Contrition as part of Reconciliation, anyway???) Hail Marys and Our Fathers may well be given as penance, but that is said privately.

As mentioned by several posters, the priest had no business whatsoever indicating to anyone what transpired during the child’s confession; this really does sound like a “seal of confession” issue to me.

I would absolutely insist upon a meeting with the priest for an explanation, and decide then whether the bishop needs to be informed of this incident. I would then arrange for my child to confess to a different priest.

This is the sort of unfortunate incident that scares people away from confession; the fact that it was a first confession is especially distressing. And this is taking place in the midst of a campaign by the Church to get Catholics to “Come Home” and receive the sacrament of Reconciliation??? Shameful!
 
A child needs to have a child’s understanding of what sin is in order to have true sorrow for sin, which is a condition for receiving absolution. The priest can’t absolve if the child doesn’t have that knowledge, any more than the child can receive the Body of Christ without understanding, again in childish fashion, that he’s receiving Jesus himself.

Since when is it too much to ask that a 2nd grader be able to say the Our Father and the Hail Mary as a condition for receiving a sacrament??? Seven year olds are sponges and can sing back songs, recite whole plot lines of cartoons and movies. 🤷😊:eek: :confused:
 
FWIW, this would not constitute the breaking of the seal of confession. It sounds like he asked each student some basic catechism questions and prayers to discern if each child could actually make a confession to begin with. I would be upset too…but he was well within his right to deny the Sacrament if he felt the children were not ready.

ETA: It sounds like some of the kids just froze up under pressure when asked questions. Personally, I would make an appointment with the Priest that denied the Sacrament and have a private session with him and my child to show what my child really knows…without the pressure of being put “on the spot”.

“That’s why we should teach our kids the catechism at home.”
I’m pretty much in full agreement here. Being denied absolution may make you feel unworthy or illegitimate - and the child as well, it likely would for me, as parent and child, or either - but the lack of catechetics and overwhelming moral laxity has been plaguing the Church for a long while. A very long while. Probably back to the time of Montanus. It’s just become worse recently.

The priest was within his rights, to deny absolution to children who are on the very edge of the age of reason, and, in his opinion, can not make a valid confession, or feel no contrition for their sins, or are lacking in even the fundamentals of Christian doctrine. I would imagine the priest that denied absolution was one of the younger ones, as myself, who seem to be on a wave of returning orthodoxy and rigour in the Church, after the dark years of the fin de siecle?

Reconciliation isn’t a guaranteed right regardless of disposition, it’s a privilege extended by God through his Church.

Now, if you heard about the denial of reconciliation from the priest, a rebuke in private and possibly a call to the bishop is in order. No matter how much I may agree (in principle, lacking knowledge of the individual penitents) with his actions, that specific action may be* breaking the seal of the confessional, and incurs excommunication - it is a serious, very serious sin and breach of canon law. If you heard about it from other parents, or from your child, not so. But if the seal of the confessional was broken, it is worth looking in to.

*I do not believe something as simple as saying, “Some were denied absolution”, breaks the seal of the confessional, if nothing more is stated, no identifying information, nor any sins divulged.
 
It sounds to me that the priest wanted to make it clear right from the get-go how serious and important confession is to the spiritual life and that it can’t be taken lightly. I’ve been a catechist for several years and I know how “serious” the kids can take catechism and prepairations.

Furthermore, the seal of confession was not broken in my opinion. No sins were divulged.

Saying that a child does not know their prayers or that they are not “ready” for the sacrament is nothing that the catechists, the student, or the parents didn’t already probably know in the first place …not being ready or not knowing prayers HAS NOTHING to do with the sins that may or may not have been discussed.

This priest did nothing wrong! Sounds like he’s doing what he is supposed to do…and because he dosen’t have this “oohhhh we love everyone just how they are you don’t gotta change” attitude…everyone is jumpin him.

NOW, that being said…if the priest was overly harsh or openly telling sins …then ya, give a call…if not…help your child make a good act of contrition and take him to another priest…OR the same priest.

Michael

If I were a priest and the kid obviously didn’t know what to confess, or didn’t know what a sin was, or when probed about his spiritual life always remarked back with “uhh… I dunno”… then I wouldint’ absolve him either! I’d have to answer to God for it! Heck no I wouldin’t absolve them!
 
My kids had it so good in the confessional! The priests walked them through it and made it more like a conversation.

To those that think the priest may be within his bounds to do this, if he’s on his way to having mental problems he’s doing more harm than good.

If this guy was a visiting priest, you need to speak with your pastor about this and bring your kid to confession with him instead.

Some priests have more old school ideas than others do…but it sounds like this guy needs to be coached on how to lead kids through this.

Back when I taught 2nd graders I can tell you that it was hard to “role play” what to do and say in the confessional. It seemed to much like the confessional itself. So I was really glad to see the priest’s step up and say that they will really work with the kids. But this guy is not on that page.

Good Luck!
 
This bothers me for different reasons. One is that it seems that the children were judged differently by the 5 priests, so this child, who simply froze up, was judged as not ready, when possibly a child who was less ready would be admitted simply because of the luck of the draw in that he got one of the other 4 priests!

And the other is that it seems like the expectations were changed…

The time to evaluate if the children are ready is NOT at their First Confession, when they are already nervous, but a couple of classes before, in the classroom!

Plenty of priests have helped lots of returning adults through their confessions, and knowing even the act of contrition is not necessary, one can say say something simple likeJesus, have mercy on me, a sinner. A lot of confessionals where I live and other places have the Act of Contrition posted!

This is just very strange to me…
 
I just received a call from my parish education department that our new priest has determined that a number of the 2nd grade kids did not perform well enough at first reconciliation, so he did not grant them absolution. BTW…4 other priests were there (it’s a large parish) and NONE of the other priests refused absolution.

I was told it is because my son was not able to recite the Hail Mary and Our Father (which he recites very well at home) and because he didn’t appear to have thought hard enough about his sins. My son has attended all of the required classes, and we followed the at home instructions from the parish about self evaluation, procedure and memorizing prayers.

I’m shocked and completely heart broken. I’ve never heard of this. Has this ever happened to anyone else? I really feel like a call to the Diocese is in order, but I don’t know since there is nothing they can do about it now.
I strongly encourage you to contact the Priest in question first. It is only right to address an issue with him before taking him before the Bishop. Perhaps it was a misunderstanding that can be cleared up. Perhaps he made a simple mistake or was having an off day and will apologize. Or perhaps he is simply out of line and likely to do it again. Only if you ascertain that it is in fact the last option, should you notify the Bishop. It is not fair to the Priest to blow up what may be a simple understanding, into a meeting with a Bishop. Best to talk with the Priest and try to resolve things. If he refuses to talk to you then by all means, contact your Bishop. Chain of command people. It’s there for a reason.
 
Yeah, this happened in a parish we used to belong. The priest just didn’t understand 7 year olds. He scared the you know what out of them and all promptly forgot how to correctly recite this or that.

After he refused absolution to a few, he went out and yelled at the Catechism teacher in front of the kids. Luckily, she had a lot of pluck and told him off. When he didn’t back down, she called the Bishop and then she quit her post. Needless to say, it snowballed terribly for him as no one wanted to take over any job involved with religious education. We left shortly after (for different reasons), but I heard he did soften quite a bit after that and then left the area.

Not all priests understand children. Sorry this happened to your kiddo, but hopefully they will understand that Father was just having a bad day and this happens to ancient old people (like anyone over 20 years old). It certainly isn’t a common thing, but it does happen.

If your child is particularly upset by the experience, call the Bishop, explain the problem and ask for a recommendation for another priest to speak with your child and walk them through First Communion. They probably will know which priests have a way with children.
 
Yeah, this happened in a parish we used to belong. The priest just didn’t understand 7 year olds. He scared the you know what out of them and all promptly forgot how to correctly recite this or that.

After he refused absolution to a few, he went out and yelled at the Catechism teacher in front of the kids. Luckily, she had a lot of pluck and told him off. When he didn’t back down, she called the Bishop and then she quit her post. Needless to say, it snowballed terribly for him as no one wanted to take over any job involved with religious education. We left shortly after (for different reasons), but I heard he did soften quite a bit after that and then left the area.

Not all priests understand children. Sorry this happened to your kiddo, but hopefully they will understand that Father was just having a bad day and this happens to ancient old people (like anyone over 20 years old). It certainly isn’t a common thing, but it does happen.

If your child is particularly upset by the experience, call the Bishop, explain the problem and ask for a recommendation for another priest to speak with your child and walk them through First Communion. They probably will know which priests have a way with children.
Sadly not all Catholics understand Priests either. What he did was certainly out of line, and contacting the Bishop was the right move. But it is said that every single man when ordained as a Priest has two demons assigned to him specifically. Whether that is literal or not is besides the point. Satan will send his entire might against Priests because without Priests there is no Eucharist, and without the Eucharist there is no Christ, and without Christ, there is no salvation. I think we all need to be more understanding of our Priests and the incredible pressure they are under and what they risked by becoming Priests. They are judged far more harshly than any of us will be. Deacons as well. They are clergy. They are tasked with the saving of souls by bringing people to Christ and serving them as best they can to help cultivate and nourish their parishioners’ faith. Their failures are not overlooked with the same forgiving glance that ours might be. They are held to a higher standard because they are directly responsible for the spiritual care of their parish (in that, they always give themselves 100%).
 
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