First Slaves in what is now the U.S. were Greek Orthodox Christians...anyone have any personal history of their experiences to share?

[StMarina303ad]

When I was first read this I thought, this is highly possible, because this is how Muslims acquire slaves by conquering land, but as I starting thinking, the Islamic Turks were Hanafi in Fiqh, and it is my understanding the Slavery is prohibited in this Islamic Legal school. But at the same time, it still does not rule out that it happened, the Islamic tucks who enslaved the Greek Orthodox Christians may have followed another legal opinion within the school or may have decided to follow an opinion in another Islamic legal school.

So I would like to know the source of this information. It is very interesting indeed. While it is possible, I have my doubts as well.

In Christ,

Silouan

The name of the book I was first exposed to this, escapes me at the moment, but you can visit St.Augustine, FL’s website which speaks about the monument in their city which honors those Greek Orthodox Slaves: discoverourtown.com/FL/St.%20Augustine/Attractions-130.html

*“St. Photios Greek Orthodox National Shrine 41 St. George Street, St. Augustine, FL 32084, 904-829-8205, A living memorial to the first Greek settlers who came as slaves in 1768, this shine is called “The Jewel of St. George Street” and features a magnificent Orthodox Chapel filled with Byzantine style frescoes, as well as a historic museum that contains exhibits such as artifacts, photographs, and historical documents and which tells the story of the First Greek Colony in the New World. more…” *

 

[StMarina303ad]

Yes. St Augustine* and the Latins opened up a trading post in Miami where they forced the slaves to shave their beards and recite the Filioque, those who refused were sent to Haiti to be subjected to the Voodoo institutions the which the Jesuits established. What most people don’t know is that America through the help of the Catholics became rich off of the backs of the Orthodox. Martin Luther (King Jr) was a descendant of the Patriarch.

*You have heard of St Augustine, Florida, I assume.

The name of the book I was first exposed to this, escapes me at the moment, but you can visit St.Augustine, FL’s website which speaks about the monument in their city which honors those Greek Orthodox Slaves: discoverourtown.com/FL/St.%20Augustine/Attractions-130.html

*“St. Photios Greek Orthodox National Shrine 41 St. George Street, St. Augustine, FL 32084, 904-829-8205, A living memorial to the first Greek settlers who came as slaves in 1768, this shine is called “The Jewel of St. George Street” and features a magnificent Orthodox Chapel filled with Byzantine style frescoes, as well as a historic museum that contains exhibits such as artifacts, photographs, and historical documents and which tells the story of the First Greek Colony in the New World. more…” *

 

[StMarina303ad]

I’ve never heard of any such thing… what time period do you contend this happened in and where in the “new world”? I find it really hard to believe but I’ve been wrong many, many times.

The name of the book I was first exposed to this, escapes me at the moment, but you can visit St.Augustine, FL’s website which speaks about the monument in their city which honors those Greek Orthodox Slaves: discoverourtown.com/FL/St.%20Augustine/Attractions-130.html

*“St. Photios Greek Orthodox National Shrine 41 St. George Street, St. Augustine, FL 32084, 904-829-8205, A living memorial to the first Greek settlers who came as slaves in 1768, this shine is called “The Jewel of St. George Street” and features a magnificent Orthodox Chapel filled with Byzantine style frescoes, as well as a historic museum that contains exhibits such as artifacts, photographs, and historical documents and which tells the story of the First Greek Colony in the New World. more…” *

 

[StMarina303ad]

Yeah, and it’s really a sad thing that the Traditional Jesuit Voodoo has largely been lost. After Voodoo II, they dropped the Latin and began to cast spells in the vernacular.

The name of the book I was first exposed to this, escapes me at the moment, but you can visit St.Augustine, FL’s website which speaks about the monument in their city which honors those Greek Orthodox Slaves: discoverourtown.com/FL/St.%20Augustine/Attractions-130.html

*“St. Photios Greek Orthodox National Shrine 41 St. George Street, St. Augustine, FL 32084, 904-829-8205, A living memorial to the first Greek settlers who came as slaves in 1768, this shine is called “The Jewel of St. George Street” and features a magnificent Orthodox Chapel filled with Byzantine style frescoes, as well as a historic museum that contains exhibits such as artifacts, photographs, and historical documents and which tells the story of the First Greek Colony in the New World. more…” *

 

[StMarina303ad]

The name of the book I was first exposed to this, escapes me at the moment, but you can visit St.Augustine, FL’s website which speaks about the monument in their city which honors those Greek Orthodox Slaves: discoverourtown.com/FL/St.%20Augustine/Attractions-130.html

*“St. Photios Greek Orthodox National Shrine 41 St. George Street, St. Augustine, FL 32084, 904-829-8205, A living memorial to the first Greek settlers who came as slaves in 1768, this shine is called “The Jewel of St. George Street” and features a magnificent Orthodox Chapel filled with Byzantine style frescoes, as well as a historic museum that contains exhibits such as artifacts, photographs, and historical documents and which tells the story of the First Greek Colony in the New World. more…” *

 

[scipio337]

Actually, the “first” slaves in the US were African, in the Jamestown settlement in 1619. Virginia had a “slave code” as early as 1650.

Not “first”, but thank you for the history lesson.

 

[SenorSalsa]

After visiting stphotios.com, the official website of the shrine, it mentions nothing of them being slaves. It does say that they felt they were treated more like slaves than workers, but they also got up and left, without punishment. The site refers to it as their “Plymouth Rock”, apparently proud of the territory they helped to found

 

[johnnykins]

The name of the book I was first exposed to this, escapes me at the moment, but you can visit St.Augustine, FL’s website which speaks about the monument in their city which honors those Greek Orthodox Slaves: discoverourtown.com/FL/St.%20Augustine/Attractions-130.html

*“St. Photios Greek Orthodox National Shrine 41 St. George Street, St. Augustine, FL 32084, 904-829-8205, A living memorial to the first Greek settlers who came as slaves in 1768, this shine is called “The Jewel of St. George Street” and features a magnificent Orthodox Chapel filled with Byzantine style frescoes, as well as a historic museum that contains exhibits such as artifacts, photographs, and historical documents and which tells the story of the First Greek Colony in the New World. more…” *

Another Greek Myth exposed - from it’s own website:

“Turnbull’s original plan had involved 500 colonists, but the number had more than doubled when the eight ships departed Mahon, March 28, 1768. The travelers left with new hopes and dreams. Turnbull offered them a new beginning. He enlisted them under the English Indentured Servant Law, a contract between master and servant requiring that they work the land at the owner’s expense over a pre-agreed time. At the end of the agreed time, each was promised a tract of land.”

The indentured servants law was NOT the same as slavery - and many other settlers -of all sorts of backgrounds - came here as indentured servants. To me the whole thing is another example of Greek Orthodox posters here perpetuating an erroneous history in some bizarre game of victimization by the evil “Latins.” A pity really, since Greeks have contributed so much to this country(beginning in 1768) and the world - but have been steeped too long in the waters of real and imagined oppression.

 

[ChadS]

Another Greek Myth exposed - from it’s own website:

“Turnbull’s original plan had involved 500 colonists, but the number had more than doubled when the eight ships departed Mahon, March 28, 1768. The travelers left with new hopes and dreams. Turnbull offered them a new beginning. He enlisted them under the English Indentured Servant Law, a contract between master and servant requiring that they work the land at the owner’s expense over a pre-agreed time. At the end of the agreed time, each was promised a tract of land.”

The indentured servants law was NOT the same as slavery - and many other settlers -of all sorts of backgrounds - came here as indentured servants. To me the whole thing is another example of Greek Orthodox posters here perpetuating an erroneous history in some bizarre game of victimization by the evil “Latins.” A pity really, since Greeks have contributed so much to this country(beginning in 1768) and the world - but have been steeped too long in the waters of real and imagined oppression.

This explanation makes a lot more sense that these particular Greeks were indentured servants rather than slaves. 1768 was way too late for any white man to have been a “slave” in the New World, and I doubt if there were ever any whites held in bondage equivalent to that of Africans.

Many Irish and Scottish arrived in North America as indentured servants with legally recognized rights and contracts that guranteed them certain legal protections. Africans were brought here as slaves with no such protections.

ChadS

 

[FCEGM]

Yes. St Augustine* and the Latins opened up a trading post in Miami where they forced the slaves to shave their beards and recite the Filioque, those who refused were sent to Haiti to be subjected to the Voodoo institutions the which the Jesuits established. What most people don’t know is that America through the help of the Catholics became rich off of the backs of the Orthodox. Martin Luther (King Jr) was a descendant of the Patriarch.

*You have heard of St Augustine, Florida, I assume.

Oh, this makes immense sense, given the shrine to St. Photios in Old St. Augustine.

 

[RC_Matt]

According to my Irish mother, the unique Jamaican accent developed as the result of indigenous people learning English from the Irish sent there by Cromwell. She’s usually right about stuff like that, have you heard that one before?

 

[ChadS]

According to my Irish mother, the unique Jamaican accent developed as the result of indigenous people learning English from the Irish sent there by Cromwell. She’s usually right about stuff like that, have you heard that one before?

I don’t know if that is true about Jamaica in particular but I had heard that in the U.S. some of the southern accent might be attributable in part to the accent of the original Scotch-Irish settlers in the Appalachians and Piedmont areas of the South.

ChadS

 

[LDNCatholic]

According to my Irish mother, the unique Jamaican accent developed as the result of indigenous people learning English from the Irish sent there by Cromwell. She’s usually right about stuff like that, have you heard that one before?

Doubtful, as the current natives of Jamaica, who have the accents, aren’t indiginous to Jamaica.

 

[zografou]

Kyrie Eleison!

Marina, you’ve posted the same thing 9 times, but even if you post it 100,00 times it still will not be correct.

Thank God, the link you site is NOT an Orthodox site. If you will visit this link, goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article7125.asp
you will learn that the first Greeks did not arrive until 1767.

They willingly came to Florida as indentured servants where they were to work for 3 years and then be given free title to 50 acres.
Unfortunately, the terms of their contract was not honored; and those who did not die from the harsh conditions stole away to St. Augustine a few miles to the north of the land they had worked to clear.

The first African arrived as indentured servants in Jamestown, Va in **1610 **although it may have been as early as 1607. After working 4 to 7 years they were also *supposed *to be able to earn their freedom.

In **1640 **Maryland became the first colony to institutionalize slavery. In **1641 **Massachusetts passed legislature changing the conditions further that they became “chattel” and could be bought and sold.

By 1750 there were over 200,000 African slaves.

Also, it was not uncommon for other Europeans to come as indentured servansts. It is estimated that one-half to two-thirds of Colonial immigrants came as indentured servants, too poor to otherwise pay for passage.

So, nooo, nooo and nooo again!

 

[strngrnrth]

It really depended on where they were. Some were treated more like apprentices or bondservants while others were sold at auction, chained, left on whipping posts all night, and separated from their children without warning. It wasn’t only the Irish who met such fates, and some escaped into the hills or islands with others from many places, European and African, and intermarried with Native Americans.

The Children’s Aid Society in 1854 formed to get poor children off the city streets. At that time in Boston St. Vincent’s Home for Girls was stuffed to up to 20 times intended capacity, 10 times emergency capacity, and there were even more outside the gates trying to get in, and more on the streets not even trying to make it to the orphanage. The home for boys was just the same. Other cities were almost as overwhelmed by orphans as Boston was. So the CAS asked the governemtn for help finding homes for the kids. They took the furniture out of fleets of passenger trains, pressed the kids in close, and transported them all over the US in search of homes. The way it worked was, the kids stood on a block and were poked and examined just like slaves. The adults could have them as indentured orphans, with a responsibility to teach them to read, write and work at some trade, and to make sure they were healthy, and could adopt but didn’t have to. At 18 the kids were free. The adults signed a contract to that effect.
It went on for 75 years. There was no accountability and a lot of the kids, some say around half, were simply enslaved. If they ran they would be returned, just as slaves were. Some slept on the bare ground outside and did an entire homestead family’s farm work until it destroyed their bodies. Though some were adopted and treated kindly, those who ended up in slavery were trapped. Each was told he or she was on the one and only such train and urged to keep the circumstances secret. They often had few memories from before the train and forgot their real names. Upon escape they had nowhere to go unless they reached a big city and found a sympathetic immigrant community or ran to Indian Country and married into a Native American community.
So, yes, it’s complex, what constitutes slavery. Of course what the Africans endured can’t be compared to anything else because it was almost always lifelong, intergenerational, and designed to crush their sense of identity, their ways of communicating and their spirits as fast as possible. It was a horrendous chapter. But this country is built on a lot of horror stories besides that one. It’s just sad.

 

[strngrnrth]

I don’t know if that is true about Jamaica in particular but I had heard that in the U.S. some of the southern accent might be attributable in part to the accent of the original Scotch-Irish settlers in the Appalachians and Piedmont areas of the South.

ChadS

That’s actually one of the first things a person learning American linguistic history or sociological history learns, and there is truth to it, but like most of the first things you learn on a subject, it’s grossly oversimplified. It deserves its own thread. It may have one or two somewhere around here, I don’t remember.

 

[Catholic_Dude]

1610

although it may have been as early as 1607. After working 4 to 7 years they were also *supposed *to be able to earn their freedom.

In **1640 **Maryland became the first colony to institutionalize slavery. In **1641 **Massachusetts passed legislature changing the conditions further that they became “chattel” and could be bought and sold.

By 1750 there were over 200,000 African slaves.

Also, it was not uncommon for other Europeans to come as indentured servansts. It is estimated that one-half to two-thirds of Colonial immigrants came as indentured servants, too poor to otherwise pay for passage.

So, nooo, nooo and nooo again!
The name of the book I was first exposed to this, escapes me at the moment, but you can visit St.Augustine, FL’s website which speaks about the monument in their city which honors those Greek Orthodox Slaves: discoverourtown.com/FL/St…tions-130.html

*“St. Photios Greek Orthodox National Shrine 41 St. George Street, St. Augustine, FL 32084, 904-829-8205, A living memorial to the first Greek settlers who came as slaves in 1768, this shine is called “The Jewel of St. George Street” and features a magnificent Orthodox Chapel filled with Byzantine style frescoes, as well as a historic museum that contains exhibits such as artifacts, photographs, and historical documents and which tells the story of the First Greek Colony in the New World. more…” *

 

[strngrnrth]

Did you know you don’t have to address each poster separately?

 

[RobHom]

It was not “slavery” that involved the Greeks and Minorcans, and others as well, but as one poster has already pointed out… It was “indentured servitude”… here is an article on that:

freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pudig/Minorcans.html

It deals with the period in question and those that came to FL.

 

[zografou]

…et tu Catholic Dude?