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First step taken toward beatification of John Paul II, says Vatican analyst
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CatholicGuy22
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John Pual II was a great pope in my opinion and i am happy to see his path to sainthood coming quickly.
If the world hates you remember that it hated me first,no servant is greater than his master,If they persecuted me they will also persecute you.
If the world hates you remember that it hated me first,no servant is greater than his master,If they persecuted me they will also persecute you.
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JReducation
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The study of his life and complete and the commission seems satisfied that he did lead a heroic Christian life. If the Holy Father agrees that he did live such a life, the next step is to wait for the miracles and to study them.
If Pope Benedict XVI signs the decree, those Catholics who do not like John Paul II will have to accept that the study is complete and that the bishops and the Pope agree that he did live a heroic Christian life and that the study of is personal life is now sealed. This means that it will not be reopened. The states are simple. You complete the study and you sign and seal it. The Church allows no further argument on the sanctity of the person’s life. The next step is to wait for miracles.
However, we must also understand, that in a case like John Paul’s where the reigning pope (Benedict) knew him personally for many years, he can be canonized on the pope’s word alone. The pope can dispense with the miracles.
A similar case happened with St. Francis of Assisi. Pope Gregory IX had been the protector of the order during Francis’ lifetime and a personal friend of Francis. When he got word of the sacraments, he accepted them without an investigation and proceeded to canonize Francis, without a beatification and without an investigation into the mriacles. Francis was canonzed about 18 months after his death.
It later happened with St. Clare too. The reigning pope was a Franciscan Friar. He canonized her within a year without a beatification and without a scrutiny of the alleged miracles. He simple said that he knew enough about her to believe that the miracles were true and he knew the reporters to be people of good faith and that’s all he needed. He canonized in about a year.
Likewise, there have been other saints canonized that way. If I’m ont mistaken, Elizabeth Ann Seton was canonized with only two miracles, at the time the law was three. The Holy Father dispensed with the third because of an old letter from Arcbhishop Caroll who testified to her holiness. That letter has often been referred to as the ellusive third miracle. It was a letter about her conversion.
Let’s not be surprised if Benedict XVI proceeds faster than what we think. Obviously he wants this canonization or he would not have allowed the study to begin so quickly after John Paul’s death and the Holy Father knows that he’s not getting younger.
This as an aside, but I believe the next person in line is going to be Paul VI. From the little that I have read, which is very little, the Holy Father has a strong inclination to revere Pope Paul.
Let’s see what happens this Christmas.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
If Pope Benedict XVI signs the decree, those Catholics who do not like John Paul II will have to accept that the study is complete and that the bishops and the Pope agree that he did live a heroic Christian life and that the study of is personal life is now sealed. This means that it will not be reopened. The states are simple. You complete the study and you sign and seal it. The Church allows no further argument on the sanctity of the person’s life. The next step is to wait for miracles.
However, we must also understand, that in a case like John Paul’s where the reigning pope (Benedict) knew him personally for many years, he can be canonized on the pope’s word alone. The pope can dispense with the miracles.
A similar case happened with St. Francis of Assisi. Pope Gregory IX had been the protector of the order during Francis’ lifetime and a personal friend of Francis. When he got word of the sacraments, he accepted them without an investigation and proceeded to canonize Francis, without a beatification and without an investigation into the mriacles. Francis was canonzed about 18 months after his death.
It later happened with St. Clare too. The reigning pope was a Franciscan Friar. He canonized her within a year without a beatification and without a scrutiny of the alleged miracles. He simple said that he knew enough about her to believe that the miracles were true and he knew the reporters to be people of good faith and that’s all he needed. He canonized in about a year.
Likewise, there have been other saints canonized that way. If I’m ont mistaken, Elizabeth Ann Seton was canonized with only two miracles, at the time the law was three. The Holy Father dispensed with the third because of an old letter from Arcbhishop Caroll who testified to her holiness. That letter has often been referred to as the ellusive third miracle. It was a letter about her conversion.
Let’s not be surprised if Benedict XVI proceeds faster than what we think. Obviously he wants this canonization or he would not have allowed the study to begin so quickly after John Paul’s death and the Holy Father knows that he’s not getting younger.
This as an aside, but I believe the next person in line is going to be Paul VI. From the little that I have read, which is very little, the Holy Father has a strong inclination to revere Pope Paul.
Let’s see what happens this Christmas.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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jpk1313
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It is about time!!! I was not a Catholic when he was Pope but of all the public christian leaders he was the only one who I had any respect for. He always spoke his mind and lived his convictions and I give him credit for planting the seeds for my conversion. When i converted to Christianity and thought of wht church to join all I could think was the catholic church. John Paul II has had a major impact on the formation of my Christian education since his writings just seemed to “show up” on my book shelf (people give them to me or I find them in discount bins at book stores). He truly was a saint for our times.
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djeter
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In 2005 Pope John Paul II surveyed his life and experiences and sat down to write a chapter in a slender volume he would title “Memory and Identity.” The book was an elaboration of the main themes of some conversations that had taken place in 1993 in Castel Gandolfo. Two Polish philosophers, Jozef Tischner and Krzysztof Michaiski, founders of the Vienna-based Institute for Human Sciences (Institut für die Wissenschaften vom Menschen), had invited him to undertake a critical analysis, from a historical and philosophical point of view, of the two dictatorships that marked twentieth-century Polish history: Nazism and communism.
Those conversations had been recorded and subsequently transcribed. In the year before his death the Holy Father sought to enlarge the perspective of the discussion. Beginning from these conversations, he set the reflections in a broader context. The result was“Memory and Identity.” One chapter especially concerned the mystery of evil or mysterium iniquitatis — the great eruption of evil that had held Europe by the throat for most of the twentieth century — first through the rise and fall of the fascist states and later with the occupation of Eastern Europe by the Soviet Union. The Pope didn’t end there however – no great triumph of the West in the Cold War or neocon hymns to Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan for John Paul II.
Ironically enough what had happened in John Paul’s beloved homeland of Poland after the Marxists came to power had much the same effect as the philosophical developments that had occurred in Western Europe in the wake of the Enlightenment and had come to a slow fruition in the Western democracies in the latter half of the twentieth century. The old Pope had lived in one and observed the other. He could tell the difference and knew there wasn’t any.
While the fall of the regimes built on ideologies of evil put an end to the forms of extermination of fellow citizens in the concentration camps and gulags, new regimes of evil in the form of parliamentary democracies perverted the Jewish, classical, and Christian ideas of freedom to mean the pursuit of an irreducible nihilism – for “there must literally be nothing transcendent of the will that might command it towards ends it would not choose for itself, no value higher than those the will imposes upon its world, no nature but what the will elects for itself.”(David Bentley Hart)
The history of Western culture’s long, inglorious departure from these Jewish, classical, and Christian models of freedom came with an astonishing tsunami-like speed at the end of the century and the wave of diabolist “freedom” as measured by the flotsam and raw sewage of pornography and exploitation of women and children in the world-wide human sex trade; the legal extermination of human beings conceived but unborn, the so-called “unwanted” child, and what has now emerged as the standard medical treatment for children prenatally diagnosed with Down syndrome and a host of other diseases under a system of eugenics the Nazis could have only dreamed of; the establishment of homosexual unions as an alternative type of family, with the “right,” no less, to adopt children, subverting the very idea of human sexuality and Christian marriage; the emergence of False Gods Of Expedient Mercy, the outrage, the scandal the sin of euthanasia – or what the diabolists among us call “assisted suicide” or do you prefer, ahem, “end of life choices?” So many horrors, so many choices — what’s a free man to do these days?
But I digress…
All these things the aged Pope surveyed in a world where the true, the good, the beautiful and societies ordered towards a transcendental structure of being now seemed to be quaint ideals of a past either dead or dying. He searched for the words to teach his children one last time the lessons of the Gospel and found these profound and challenging observations. I was struck by the bluntness of some of his observations, particularly his readiness to identify the motivation for gay marriage and gay families as another “ideology of evil.”
As is my custom, reading selections I found compelling also attached here:
payingattentiontothesky.com/2009/11/02/book-recommendation-reading-selections-from-memory-and-identity-%e2%80%93-pope-john-paul-ii/
Hope you enjoy it.
dj
In 2005 Pope John Paul II surveyed his life and experiences and sat down to write a chapter in a slender volume he would title “Memory and Identity.” The book was an elaboration of the main themes of some conversations that had taken place in 1993 in Castel Gandolfo. Two Polish philosophers, Jozef Tischner and Krzysztof Michaiski, founders of the Vienna-based Institute for Human Sciences (Institut für die Wissenschaften vom Menschen), had invited him to undertake a critical analysis, from a historical and philosophical point of view, of the two dictatorships that marked twentieth-century Polish history: Nazism and communism.
Those conversations had been recorded and subsequently transcribed. In the year before his death the Holy Father sought to enlarge the perspective of the discussion. Beginning from these conversations, he set the reflections in a broader context. The result was“Memory and Identity.” One chapter especially concerned the mystery of evil or mysterium iniquitatis — the great eruption of evil that had held Europe by the throat for most of the twentieth century — first through the rise and fall of the fascist states and later with the occupation of Eastern Europe by the Soviet Union. The Pope didn’t end there however – no great triumph of the West in the Cold War or neocon hymns to Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan for John Paul II.
Ironically enough what had happened in John Paul’s beloved homeland of Poland after the Marxists came to power had much the same effect as the philosophical developments that had occurred in Western Europe in the wake of the Enlightenment and had come to a slow fruition in the Western democracies in the latter half of the twentieth century. The old Pope had lived in one and observed the other. He could tell the difference and knew there wasn’t any.
While the fall of the regimes built on ideologies of evil put an end to the forms of extermination of fellow citizens in the concentration camps and gulags, new regimes of evil in the form of parliamentary democracies perverted the Jewish, classical, and Christian ideas of freedom to mean the pursuit of an irreducible nihilism – for “there must literally be nothing transcendent of the will that might command it towards ends it would not choose for itself, no value higher than those the will imposes upon its world, no nature but what the will elects for itself.”(David Bentley Hart)
The history of Western culture’s long, inglorious departure from these Jewish, classical, and Christian models of freedom came with an astonishing tsunami-like speed at the end of the century and the wave of diabolist “freedom” as measured by the flotsam and raw sewage of pornography and exploitation of women and children in the world-wide human sex trade; the legal extermination of human beings conceived but unborn, the so-called “unwanted” child, and what has now emerged as the standard medical treatment for children prenatally diagnosed with Down syndrome and a host of other diseases under a system of eugenics the Nazis could have only dreamed of; the establishment of homosexual unions as an alternative type of family, with the “right,” no less, to adopt children, subverting the very idea of human sexuality and Christian marriage; the emergence of False Gods Of Expedient Mercy, the outrage, the scandal the sin of euthanasia – or what the diabolists among us call “assisted suicide” or do you prefer, ahem, “end of life choices?” So many horrors, so many choices — what’s a free man to do these days?
But I digress…
All these things the aged Pope surveyed in a world where the true, the good, the beautiful and societies ordered towards a transcendental structure of being now seemed to be quaint ideals of a past either dead or dying. He searched for the words to teach his children one last time the lessons of the Gospel and found these profound and challenging observations. I was struck by the bluntness of some of his observations, particularly his readiness to identify the motivation for gay marriage and gay families as another “ideology of evil.”
As is my custom, reading selections I found compelling also attached here:
payingattentiontothesky.com/2009/11/02/book-recommendation-reading-selections-from-memory-and-identity-%e2%80%93-pope-john-paul-ii/
Hope you enjoy it.
dj
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Rodolfo_Plata
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Countless were the merits of our beloved pontiff. Its greatest merit was his contribution to the dismantling of the Iron Curtain. In his pilgrimage conveyed a message of peace and hope to the multitudes of Christian people who visited. However, these merits of the best of the pontiffs are not enough for her beatification, despite having led a virtuous and exemplary life, due to be promoted subtle Judaizing of Christianity. At this moment in which the internecine struggle between conservatives and modernists, secretly promoted by the emissaries of the Synagogue, threatens to abrogate the ancient doctrine and papal authority, leaving intact the Jewish prophets. The implications Judaizers post Concilium reached their climax in the pontificate of John Paul II and Benedict XVI, arising the opposition of the sedevacantists that ignore the changes modernists trying to avoid the sub tile abrogation of the dogmas of the divinity of Christ, the divine Trinity, the New Covenant, and the and anti Semitic, and the Tridentine liturgy, which convert to the Catholic Church in a Bible school spokesman natural morality dictated by God to Noah (noaquida) to govern human animals (goyins: non-Jewish people). And the opinions expressed in the media by John Paul II that “the Jews are our elder brothers in faith” are a serious apostasy tending at abrogating the ancient doctrine of the Church, which warrants legal review of the dispute papal (opposite to the ruling of Christ [Matthew XXIII, 1 to 35] in his diatribe against the hypocritical puritanism of the priests and scribes of the Synagogue pointing as guilty of eternal punishment for the followers of the doctrine (ethos supremacists) and behavior (pathos criminal and genocidal serial) from Israel. In the light of biblical and historical serial genocides committed by the Jewish people, to determine the validity of ad quem resorted), that decide victory or defeat on Christianity VS Judaism, and the transcendence or the involution of humanity. And because it is a very serious apostasy, also merits the objection, appeal and review procedures for beatification
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JReducation
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I’m sorry that you feel this way my fried, but the case is closed. Once the Sacred Congregation for the Causes of Saints decides that a person has led a heroic Christian life and is worthy of beaitification and canonization, the the person’s life cannot be opened up again for further study. The only person who can recind the decree now is the Holy Father hijmsefl. Once he signs it, even he does not have the authority to rescind it. In other words, if Pope Benedict declares that John Paul II did live a heroic Christian life, it cannot be taken back. The next step is to wait for a miracle, study it, prove it, and beatify, then another miracle, study and prove and canonize. Pope Benedict has the authority ot dispense with the miracles and the beaitification. He can proceed directly to canonization once the decree of a holy and heoric life has been signed.
This has happened in the past. If he is canonized, it is an infallible statement made from the Chair of Peter that all Catholics must accept or be in heresy. The only ones who are ot bound to accept a canonization and not be in a state of heresy are the Eastern Orthodox and the TAC. Canonizations are only binding to the Orthodox and TAC after they join the Catholic Church. All other Christians who deny a canonization are in a state of heresy.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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