First time at a TLM

[James0235]

I noticed that there are 2 confessionals where I went. The celebrating priest was in one, and another priest in the other. However, the other priest stayed in his even after Mass started and people were continuing to go in throughout Mass up until just before Communion.

It does not seem right to me that any other action should take place in the Church when the Sacred Liturgy is being celebrated.

Am I incorrect, brothers and sisters? This is an invitation to catechize me!

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YOU ARE CORRECT! There should never be anything else going on when the Sacred Liturgy is occurring! The “other” priest might concelebrate with the other priest, but should never take away from the Mass. And yes it would!
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The Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments allows the hearing of confessions during Mass.

This permission is also mentioned in Redemptionis Sacramentum:

**Furthermore, according to a most ancient tradition of the Roman Church, it is not permissible to unite the Sacrament of Penance to the Mass in such a way that they become a single liturgical celebration. This does not exclude, however, that Priests other than those celebrating or concelebrating the Mass might hear the confessions of the faithful who so desire, even in the same place where Mass is being celebrated, in order to meet the needs of those faithful. This should nevertheless be done in an appropriate manner.

Redemptionis Sacramentum 76**

James

 

[northstar3]

Thank you for that. And yes, it was done in a humble and holy manner. The only reason I even noticed was because I was sitting more towards the back, and the confessionals are more towards the front. If I had been sitting further up I pry wouldn’t have even noticed!

 

[ethelzguy]

OK, one more thing I forgot to add (Sorry!).

I noticed that there are 2 confessionals where I went. The celebrating priest was in one, and another priest in the other. However, the other priest stayed in his even after Mass started and people were continuing to go in throughout Mass up until just before Communion.

Is this a common practice as well? Thanks.

While it does seem odd, I have seen this done in other parishes in recent years.

 

[palmas85]

I have NEVER experienced this practice, but it could be because in my area there is only 1 Priest who Celebrates the Sacred Mass according to the Missal of 1962.

It does not seem right to me that any other action should take place in the Church when the Sacred Liturgy is being celebrated.

Am I incorrect, brothers and sisters? This is an invitation to catechize me!

It is not at all uncommon in Traditional masses for confessions to be heard throughout the Mass of the Catechumans, the first part of the Mass. I never saw then extend past the end of the homily.

 

[brotherhrolf]

I hope my friend Palmas will remember the noon Mass at Jesuit’s (Immaculate Conception) on Baronne St. in New Orleans when we were younger. They had priests in the confessionals all day long. I don’t recall if they stopped confessions during the noon Mass.

I grew up with the Missa Cantata being the norm on Sunday. It was also the norm for my Catholic high school’s school Masses in 1965-66. I guess that’s what frustrates me in my diocese. We only have the one indult parish and it is strictly Low Mass on Sunday.

 

[RobGentner]

It is not at all uncommon in Traditional masses for confessions to be heard throughout the Mass of the Catechumans, the first part of the Mass. I never saw then extend past the end of the homily.

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I agree with you. I do remember confessions going on during the first part, some people getting ready to receive communion. I never saw it being conducted pass the Homily. I think it is disrespectful of Jesus in the Eucharist to do it during communion.:tsktsk: And I also agree that it shouldn’t detract from the mass whatsoever.
Many people don’t even go to coffession. You would think they could plan better than that! But it is just my humble opinion!

God Bless **

 

[CradleCath]

So today I went for High Mass at a TLM. While I very much found it humbling, I was surprised that the congregation doesn’t say a single word during it (that is, there are no congregational responses). The choir did all the singing by themselves and made all the responses to the priest.

Is this normal? In a way I was kind of saddened by this (but not enough that would make me stop going there!! )

I graduated from high school in 1959…just a few yrs. before the council. Our nuns were cloistered so daily Mass was prayed in a large chapel within the Academy. We had what was known as the dialog Mass. The priest would say, for instance, “Dominus Vobiscum” (the Lord be with you) & we would respond with “et cum spiritu tuo” (& with your spirit). I loved it. The prayers at the foot of the altar. Priest: introibo ad altare Dei. ( I will go in to the altar of God. ) We would respond with “Ad deum qui laetificat juventutem meam” (To God, Who giveth joy to my youth). Whether to respond aloud was one’s choice, though, & it was easy for those of us who were (or had) studied Latin. However, I think that the older folks (the same age as I am now!!!) were unsure of their pronunciation of the Latin & didn’t care for this Mass.

 

[RobGentner]

I graduated from high school in 1959…just a few yrs. before the council. Our nuns were cloistered so daily Mass was prayed in a large chapel within the Academy. We had what was known as the dialog Mass. The priest would say, for instance, “Dominus Vobiscum” (the Lord be with you) & we would respond with “et cum spiritu tuo” (& with your spirit). I loved it. The prayers at the foot of the altar. Priest: introibo ad altare Dei. ( I will go in to the altar of God. ) We would respond with “Ad deum qui laetificat juventutem meam” (To God, Who giveth joy to my youth). Whether to respond aloud was one’s choice, though, & it was easy for those of us who were (or had) studied Latin. However, I think that the older folks (the same age as I am now!!!) were unsure of their pronunciation of the Latin & didn’t care for this Mass.

** 1962 here! As I said, I am a cradle Catholic.What constantly amazes me is that since many Catholic beliefs are not explicit in Scripture, Fundamentalists conclude that the doctrines are “false”. I believe that if the position of the Catholic Church is true, then the notion of sola scriptura must be false. Sola scriptura, or the Protestant “Bible only” theory is just that a theory! With that being true, there is then no problem with the Church officially defining a doctrine which is not explicitly in Scripture, so long as it is not in direct contradiction to Scripture. After all, the Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly—guided, as he promised, by the Holy Spirit until the end of the world. John 14:26, 16:13. The mere fact that the Church teaches that something is definitely true is a guarantee that it is true (cf. Matt. 28:18-20, Luke 10:16, 1 Tim. 3:15).**

 

[SomeCatholicGuy]

Is this normal? In a way I was kind of saddened by this (but not enough that would make me stop going there!! )

Yup, I believe that’s normal. Same as my reaction when I went!

 

[nor336]

RobGentner:
Rob Gentner: Please don’t misinform a person who is seeking the truth. The Tridentine Latin Mass is authorized by the Holy Catholic Church and the Pope. Tradionalists never broke away from the church after Vatican II, there may be some who stopped going because they didn’t recognize their religion any more. Please do not tell anyone not to attend the Tridentine Mass. You had better go to the Vatican web site and start reading about this Mass that Pope Benedict XVI has approved. At the church I attend we have both the Novus Ordo and Tridentine Masses said every Sunday, are you saying that our Pope and our Bishop are wrong?

 

[brotherhrolf]

Rob Gentner: Please don’t misinform a person who is seeking the truth. The Tridentine Latin Mass is authorized by the Holy Catholic Church and the Pope. Tradionalists never broke away from the church after Vatican II, there may be some who stopped going because they didn’t recognize their religion any more. Please do not tell anyone not to attend the Tridentine Mass. You had better go to the Vatican web site and start reading about this Mass that Pope Benedict XVI has approved. At the church I attend we have both the Novus Ordo and Tridentine Masses said every Sunday, are you saying that our Pope and our Bishop are wrong?

I don’t think that that is what Rob is saying at all. 1969 here. Made my First Communion in 1958 and was Confirmed in 1963. My parents and my neighbors back then lived through WWII. Certainly there were some who embraced the NO. But there were far more who submitted in obedience to HMC and became more and more marginalized. That was the example I got from my parents and my neighbors. We submitted to the magisterium of HMC.

Forty years later…I haven’t attend a TLM since the mid-70s. I happened to watch the Solemn High Mass on the Feast of the Holy Cross on EWTN a few weeks ago. I had no problem following the Mass nor did I have any problem remembering the Latin responses. And I didn’t even have my 1962 missal with me. Imagine that! Naw! We didn’t know what was going on at Mass all those years ago. Right.

We were fortunate enough that our children grew up in a reverent NO cathedral parish. They at least got to hear chant and sacred motets in Latin. Latin is our heritage. We are connected to our ancestors going deep into the past. (OOOPS before I get flamed - see Communion of the Saints).

 

[RobGentner]

Rob Gentner: Please don’t misinform a person who is seeking the truth.
I would hope to never do that.

The Tridentine Latin Mass is authorized by the Holy Catholic Church and the Pope. Yes, of course it is!

Tradionalists never broke away from the church after Vatican II,** Yes they did Many did and were excommunicated. Read our church history**!

there may be some who stopped going because they didn’t recognize their religion any more. Please do not tell anyone not to attend the Tridentine Mass. Did I do that or did I say "Yup! They be real Catholics! I sometimes attend a TLM here in San Antonio, also a German High Mass (The Church and language of my ancestors) But as I said Jesus is the important one, No one or thing! "

You had better go to the Vatican web site and start reading about this Mass that Pope Benedict XVI has approved. **Been there and done that! That is a RCC Tridentine Mass That is a “real” Catholic mass. I was referring to the Tridentine Latin Rite Catholic Church (TLRCC) go back and read what I wrote. **

At the church I attend we have both the Novus Ordo and Tridentine Masses said every Sunday, are you saying that our Pope and our Bishop are wrong?
**NO, ONLY YOU!

Francis Konrad Schuckardt (July 10, 1937 – November 5, 2006) was an American Traditionalist Catholic independent bishop and the first known bishop in the United States to take the position of sedevacantism, a theory which holds that Pope Paul VI and his successors are not valid popes. He founded the Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen (CMRI) and the Tridentine Latin Rite Catholic Church (TLRCC), considered by some former members as being a cult.

Never get on a high horse my friend it is a long fall down! No need to apologize, you were forgiven before I read what you wrote. That is the Christian thing to do, not judge others.

God Bless you! **