First time wearing my mantilla

[fellowChristian]

Help me please…
I think of our mother Mary and I see her in a veil. Is their anywhere in the “Old Testament” a verse about head coverings?

Does this fall under Moral Law or is it Ceremonial Law?

And what about this verse ?

1 Corinthians 11
15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering.

Is our long hair our covering? It seems to be.

We are not the only ones with this same question

askmoses.com/article.html?h=235&o=2506

 

[PatienceAndLove]

Help me please…
I think of our mother Mary and I see her in a veil. Is their anywhere in the “Old Testament” a verse about head coverings?

Does this fall under Moral Law or is it Ceremonial Law?

And what about this verse ?

1 Corinthians 11
15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering.

Is our long hair our covering? It seems to be.

We are not the only ones with this same question

askmoses.com/article.html?h=235&o=2506

Currently, veiling/headcovering does not fall under any law. Rather, it is a personal/private devotion that is to be dicerned by the woman considering the veiling.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

I’ve worn short hair most of my life, even preVII (hte “pixie” cut).

 

[seremina]

Dear MaryElisabeth2,

Congrats on your first time! [hug] It really does help you keep your focus. It does the same for me. I have distractions that can happen easily…like somebody walks in and I turn to look, or I thought I heard a noise, or thoughts come bombarding me…all these things are avoided if I wear a veil. Are you planning on maintaining wearing one? If not, what kind of troubles did you have? If yes, I’m happy for you. Its still a struggle for me.

EWTN Fan,

I know how you feel. Please try to calm down and remember that nobody has the right to strip you in any shape or form. Satan is probably trying to create trouble. Look what he’s done with dresses and things that used to be modest. There’s no way to make a veil immodest, so he’d rather get rid of those. So he tries to keep women from choosing to do this devotion. Its not right nor wrong to do it, but Satan tries all kinds of traps to get you to even stop considering it. I’ll try to illustrate…

1. People giving you dirty looks or staring for a longer time than necessary [they should’ve brought a camera; it’ll last longer]
2. People or incidents making you feel ashamed of veiling rather than humble and focused. Its sad to realise that if our Mother Mary walked in to Mass or Adoration, we know she’d wear a veil. Think about how much she’d get offended. She’d offer the suffering up, of course. But still, a sobering thought and might actually help make us a bit braver.
3. Opposition from your Priest, Deacon, husband, family, etc. Very trying. Makes you feel like a devotion you’ve chosen has landed you into some trenches. Do you keep your veil and your rosary on you [like a war helmet and a gun] or do you start waving that white flag to surrender?
4. Your fellow Catholics, who should be happy for you and encouraging, end up playing “Lawyer, Lawyer” in the very thread that has nothing to do with the legalism of veiling. It was merely a sharing that got rudely disrupted. When a thread starts to change, it needs to leave and become a new thread. It can be discouraging to the veiling ladies to constantly be greeted by sudden courtroom scenes when they’re sharing lovely confidences with others. Its kinda like a Nazi walking in on two Jewish ladies just talking to each other.
5. Newer people tend to not only look at you strangely for wearing a veil, but also for wearing a dress! They typically are wearing jeans, or short skirts, or shorts, shirts that plunge deep in the neckline and have spaghetti straps as sleeves, shirts that are too short-sleeved, transparent shirts *, jeans/pants that are normally worn low on the body and possibly show some undies exposure, etc. They seem to know nothing about veiling. They seem to think veils are only for nuns.

Whether follow St. Paul’s advice or not, probably the ultimate imitation of Mary is to dress modestly and wear a veil. She wore a modest dress and veil. She leads us to Christ and she did warn us in the early 1900’s that fashions will become offensive in the future. There are many forms of veiling…

a hat
a mantilla
a scarf of fabric
a bonnet [one of my personal favourites]
chapel cap [looks like a doily though ^_^;]
a babushka [triangular headscarf]
a slip-on veil
a snood [there are various forms]
a shawl

And so on. I suggest you try to heal for now and if you still want to veil, I’m happy to help. There’s lots of veiling Yahoo Groups available for moral support. I can’t suggest going to these forums for moral support, as the high incidence of arguing is disturbing. Last, but not least, you could keep in touch.

Myself…I’m still struggling. I want to do this devotion and imitate Mary, but its really not an easy thing to do. Its a cross I believe I’ll continue to struggle to carry. After all…nobody veils at the Church I usually go to. Not even for Adoration. I’m trying to do the veiling with Adoration at first and check out another parish and see if their Church has veiling ladies. I seem to be the type that requires a lot of moral support to be able to do anything, even if its something I choose.
*

 

[Larry1700]

How interesting! We went to confession today, and I was surprised (happily) to see 2 mantillas – one on a little girl, and one on a middle-aged woman. The girl and woman weren’t together, so I assume they’re wearing them independently.

I hadn’t seen mantillas in a long time, then I came on the Forums and found this thread. I hope it’s catching on.

 

[lizaanne]

Myself…I’m still struggling. I want to do this devotion and imitate Mary, but its really not an easy thing to do. Its a cross I believe I’ll continue to struggle to carry. After all…nobody veils at the Church I usually go to. Not even for Adoration. I’m trying to do the veiling with Adoration at first and check out another parish and see if their Church has veiling ladies. I seem to be the type that requires a lot of moral support to be able to do anything, even if its something I choose.

I’m usually the only one where I go to adoration with my head covered - I really couldn’t care less what anyone thinks about it. It’s between me and God, and if someone has a problem with it, they can take it up with God.

Go for it! If you feel called to cover your head, just do it, and see how it goes! If you don’t try, you will never ever know.

~Liza

 

[byers]

Myself…I’m still struggling. I want to do this devotion and imitate Mary, but its really not an easy thing to do.

Despite the wording used by a few schismatic websites, the wearing of any kind of headcovering - veil, mantilla, snood, doily, etc - is NOT a devotion and never has been. It is a custom, tradition, rule, or discipline.

Those wishing to promote this lovely old practice should at least be honest and truthful and not try to turn it into something it is not. It is NOT a devotion…even if it makes you ‘feel’ more devoted, reverant and holy.

The best way to imitate Mary is to develop her virtues, such as humility and modesty…not for show but to please God.

 

[PatienceAndLove]

Despite the wording used by a few schismatic websites, the wearing of any kind of headcovering - veil, mantilla, snood, doily, etc - is NOT a devotion and never has been. It is a custom, tradition, rule, or discipline.

Those wishing to promote this lovely old practice should at least be honest and truthful and not try to turn it into something it is not. It is NOT a devotion…even if it makes you ‘feel’ more devoted, reverant and holy.

The best way to imitate Mary is to develop her virtues, such as humility and modesty…not for show but to please God.

How is it not a devotion?
I realize it is a custom and a discipline, and can fall under small t tradition. Rule, I cannot see, as it no longer exists in canon law.

 

[BigFeet]

Despite the wording used by a few schismatic websites, the wearing of any kind of headcovering - veil, mantilla, snood, doily, etc - is NOT a devotion and never has been. It is a custom, tradition, rule, or discipline.

Those wishing to promote this lovely old practice should at least be honest and truthful and not try to turn it into something it is not. It is NOT a devotion…even if it makes you ‘feel’ more devoted, reverant and holy.

The best way to imitate Mary is to develop her virtues, such as humility and modesty…not for show but to please God.

I ask you to please try reading the entire post before you express your opinion, Buyers. As many of the posts have shown, women wearing headcoverings during Mass is biblical, and was the law of the Church for centuries. This has nothing to do with schism, unless you feel St. Paul was schismatic.

Just what exactly is your definition of “devotion”?

 

[BigFeet]

The best way to imitate Mary is to develop her virtues, such as humility and modesty…not for show but to please God.

There are over 10,000 Catholic saints or beatified people, and thousands of them happen to be women. Exactly 100 percent of these holy women wore headcoverings to Mass…“not for show, but to please God”.

 

[brigid12]

Since I’ve started wearing my scarf or chapel cap to Adoration or Mass I’ve felt “right” with it on. It seems to give me the feeling of sincerity in my prayer. Since neither of those types of headcoverings block my peripheral view the feeling of increased focus doesn’t come from that. I just know that I feel “bareheaded” without one or the other. Like there was a large bird flying low right above me and nothing to protect my head.

 

[byers]

There are over 10,000 Catholic saints or beatified people, and thousands of them happen to be women. Exactly 100 percent of these holy women wore headcoverings to Mass…“not for show, but to please God”.

It was required to wear a headcovering to Mass until very recently…it is not required now. If they wore their headcoverings in obedience to the church rules, then they were certainly pleasing to God.

 

[byers]

I ask you to please try reading the entire post before you express your opinion, Buyers. As many of the posts have shown, women wearing headcoverings during Mass is biblical, and was the law of the Church for centuries. This has nothing to do with schism, unless you feel St. Paul was schismatic.

Just what exactly is your definition of “devotion”?

BigFeet…if you had read my post you would notice I did not say anything about a relationship between schism and headcoverings. I was pointing out the use of the wording on these sites and I said that there are several sites on the web that are promoting this heavily and the groups doing this appear to be schismatic groups. Many of their articles, writers etc are members of the SSPX. I don’t believe that if they were truly catholic and in union with Rome they would be promoting such
materials. They are trying to convince women that wearing a headcovering is a catholic devotion.

A catholic devotion is a form of prayer.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

There are over 10,000 Catholic saints or beatified people, and thousands of them happen to be women. Exactly 100 percent of these holy women wore headcoverings to Mass…“not for show, but to please God”.

As Byers stated, they wore the headcoverings because it was prescribed, not simply to be pleasing to God. They were pleasing to God, but not because they had their heads covered.

It was also the custom to wear hats at other times in history. Mopcaps in the 17th and 18th century were worn all day long by women except when they went to church, and everybody wore a nightcap in winter.

From the 19th ceuntruy until the mid1960s, a lady did not leave to go shopping without her hat and gloves, even in the heat of summer. She wore her hat at another lady’s house for coffee (not to the neighbors’ but afternoon coffee with other ladies) or bridge, not just to go to church, but did not wear a hat in her own home.

 

[Ave_Maria_1]

I have two mantillas on order. Now I have checked with some priests in our diocese and no extraordinary form of the Mass is planned any where at this time. We are ‘american catholics’ you see! (peace and justice is our cry–not pro-life however).

I have made some scarfs. I am going east next month and plan to use these headcoverings at some friaries I will be visiting.

There have been a couple of women (2) who have worn mantillas around here and they are looked upon by others as very strange.
In this particular and almost hostile to Roman Catholicism atmosphere of our local parishes, mantillas are not going to go over well. It would not be a drawing card, shall we say.

I am already thought strange as I wear dresses and a miraculous medal among some other practices. Not that I mind that so much but until things change I will most likely hold off wearing a mantilla to mass but to adoration is a possibility.

 

[BigFeet]

As Byers stated, they wore the headcoverings because it was prescribed, not simply to be pleasing to God. They were pleasing to God, but not because they had their heads covered.

Or perhaps it never occurred to you that these saintly women understood perfectly well what St. Paul wrote in chapter 11 of his 1st letter to the Corinthians. Paul wasn’t just talking about a fashion statement of the times.

Has our Blessed Mother ever appeared in any Church approved apparition without her head covered? Do you think that she cares in the least about making a fashion statement? Perhaps you can explain your objection regarding headcoverings to our Blessed Mother, who only does the will of God, or to St. Paul, who only wrote the inspired word of God. Best wishes to you on that.uch:

 

[passioncrosslov]

Since I’ve started wearing my scarf or chapel cap to Adoration or Mass I’ve felt “right” with it on. It seems to give me the feeling of sincerity in my prayer. Since neither of those types of headcoverings block my peripheral view the feeling of increased focus doesn’t come from that. I just know that I feel “bareheaded” without one or the other. Like there was a large bird flying low right above me and nothing to protect my head.

Be careful, you might drive the Holy Spirit away…

 

[Sure]

Or perhaps it never occurred to you that these saintly women understood perfectly well what St. Paul wrote in chapter 11 of his 1st letter to the Corinthians. Paul wasn’t just talking about a fashion statement of the times.

Has our Blessed Mother ever appeared in any Church approved apparition without her head covered? Do you think that she cares in the least about making a fashion statement? Perhaps you can explain your objection regarding headcoverings to our Blessed Mother, who only does the will of God, or to St. Paul, who only wrote the inspired word of God. Best wishes to you on that.uch:

Mary appears with her head covered because she appears in garb reminiscient of the time in which she lived on earth. Also, she must care a little about fashion because as a married Jewish woman she would have worn black (like in the movie, The Passion of the Christ)

For the last 2500+ years women wore headcoverings anytime they were in public. 200 years ago in the United States women wore headcoverings. St. Paul’s comment had nothing to do with doing something out of the ordinary, it was confirming that they should do something that was completely common. It would be similar to if someone proclaimed that women should wear shoes in church and should not enter the church barefoot. It would not be something special because women customarily wear shoes when they leave the house.

 

[BigFeet]

Mary appears with her head covered because she appears in garb reminiscient of the time in which she lived on earth. Also, she must care a little about fashion because as a married Jewish woman she would have worn black (like in the movie, The Passion of the Christ)

Oh, Sure…God forgive you.
For you to say that our Blessed Mother wears a headcovering just to be fashionable is just simply wrong, and extremely disrespectful to her. Mary is without sin, and vanity is a sin. She wore a headcovering because it was ordained by God.

It wasn’t until the “sexual revolution” and all of the other evils of the past 40 years that women have ceased this practice of holy, humble obedience. Up until 1983, wearing a headcovering was mandated by Canon law. Even if this mandate is not included under the current Code (and some would argue that technically, it still remains in force), St. Paul’s instructions in 1 Cor 11 had nothing to do with fashion. Unlike the laws of men, the law of God cannot be changed. Perhaps you’re saying that St. Paul’s letters are not the inspired word of God?

 

[SherryLynn9]

Mary appears with her head covered because she appears in garb reminiscient of the time in which she lived on earth. Also, she must care a little about fashion because as a married Jewish woman she would have worn black (like in the movie, The Passion of the Christ)

For the last 2500+ years women wore headcoverings anytime they were in public. 200 years ago in the United States women wore headcoverings. St. Paul’s comment had nothing to do with doing something out of the ordinary, it was confirming that they should do something that was completely common. It would be similar to if someone proclaimed that women should wear shoes in church and should not enter the church barefoot. It would not be something special because women customarily wear shoes when they leave the house.

I’m not a moderator… but can we keep this ON TOPIC please… remember the first time of wearing a headcovering…

Just my opinion… but please can we support this lady and not continue bickering over it?