Fisheaters: A Questionable Forum and Website

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Fallacy: Appeal to Emotion. How God holds me to my sins is irrelevant to the discussion.
How can I put this…?

The private details of people’s married life are none of your business and you have no grounds to be slandering individuals on public forums and blogs when “whether their marriages have been regularized, or whether they are living as husband and wife, and other personal details” are unbeknown to you.
Sure as Ace mentioned above, some of the music that is allowed to be posted on that forum is just flat Un-Catholic. You can see for yourself: catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,2883579.0.html
I don’t see indications of any “neo-modernism,” “public scandal,” or “grave sins” on that page. Just evidence of what sounds like someone’s staunch opinion against certain genres of music.
They are also Death Metal threads. Yeah that’s Catholic. :rolleyes:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_metal

Lyke no wai!
 
They are also Death Metal threads. Yeah that’s Catholic. :rolleyes:
Sorry to throw things off course, but death metal is just a musical description (fast detuned guitars, fast and technical drumming and low growls for vocals), and there are plenty of Christian bands playing this style. Some bands have gory lyrics, but whatever, you can’t even understand them.
 
This Catholic Answers Forum is not the place for this!
Yes, eucharisteo hit the nail on the head. This sort of interforum linking is forbidden to prevent board swarming. Without even addressing the issue of lack of charity, this is wrong.
 
How can I put this…?

The private details of people’s married life are none of your business and you have no grounds to be slandering individuals on public forums and blogs when “whether their marriages have been regularized, or whether they are living as husband and wife, and other personal details” are unbeknown to you.
So its OK, as long as most don’t know about it. :rolleyes:
I don’t see indications of any “neo-modernism,” “public scandal,” or “grave sins” on that page. Just evidence of what sounds like someone’s staunch opinion against certain genres of music.
Lyke no wai!
Christian metal is Protestant-Evangelical inspired. Even so, why do you think Catholics and Evangelicals continue to lose their kids…Because they continue to go along with the culture. Cardinal Ratzinger, now Benedict XVI is known to have spoken out against modern rock and pop music.
 
The private details of people’s married life are none of your business and you have no grounds to be slandering individuals on public forums and blogs when “whether their marriages have been regularized, or whether they are living as husband and wife, and other personal details” are unbeknown to you.
I agree with this completely. I clicked on the link and felt like I was being drawn into slanderous gossip of two people I know nothing about or have never met before.
 
Yes, eucharisteo hit the nail on the head. This sort of interforum linking is forbidden to prevent board swarming. Without even addressing the issue of lack of charity, this is wrong.
If it is against forum rules, than the forum moderators have the right to close if they wish.
 
I don’t hold with anonymous allegations and we are Catholic not Amish… no shunning.

I like the website and have found good articles and information about the faith. I peaked at the forum and was not impressed but that does not detract from the general website imho.

If someone has first hand knowledge of any serious issues with a fellow Catholic we need to speak privately with that person. Anonymous posting does not benefit anyone.
 
How is making a blog for this, posting the link to the blog here, and then critisisms and commentaries about the site any less scandalous? We didn’t know about this before, this was NOT a hindrance to any of us, now, we can either participate in gossip or ignore this. This was not any of our business. What do you want us to do? Swarm that forum and tell everybody they’re going to Hell? Offer up Rosaries? What was the purpose of this thread?

\m/ Death Metal Rocks.
 
I have always found the fisheaters site to be useful, albeit it is not a “Church approved” source. I am not sure why you find it necessary to attempt to eradicate it from an Internet that is full of many sites that are not only questionable, but downright demonic (and many use the name of the Catholic Church themselves). I cannot reason that it is because you are defending traditional Catholicism (or Catholicism in general), as this would not be logical as even a Christian would be wont to act. You cite references to the fact that you are justified, but I would hasten to add that such acts would only be necessary if there was danger to doctrine or heresy would be the result of a misinformed faithful. You may be seeing danger where there is none. The posters you speak about have their own private lives to contend with and only God ever has the right to judge them.

To what avail is it to you personally that you attempt to “expose” them publicly? As daring as it may seem, your blog is not something that I would put a real name to and really not helping the image of a website that many rely on for decent information about traditional Catholicism. Any good writer knows the value of good research and any person who seeks credibility would firstly give their real name in such an attempt. The whole idea of remaining anonymous is both good and bad, but one chooses to use their real name at their own risk. In your situation, I would be questioning the motive, as those who use their real names (where possible, particularly in personal blogs) never have anything to hide and their work is usually so useful that you would want to remember them for possible future references.

One must always keep in mind the nature of any public forum. There are going to be all kinds of people that will post all kinds of statements, most of which they would never say in a live forum. The whole idea makes for a great social psychology study, but this method is not always a reliable way to gain real information, and that should always be the first consideration when one reads posts.

A credible poster will consider many circumstances involved in the situation, and then post their opinion. Opinion is not truth no matter how convincing the references. Most posts are not always what they seem. I fully understand your concern, but there is a better method that could be used than attempting to represent a group all by yourself. Let the Church conduct her own Inquisition on such matters and accept certain limitations one may have to requesting repentance from individuals.

Jerald Franklin Archer
 
How is making a blog for this, posting the link to the blog here, and then critisisms and commentaries about the site any less scandalous? We didn’t know about this before, this was NOT a hindrance to any of us, now, we can either participate in gossip or ignore this. This was not any of our business. What do you want us to do?
So was it wrong for several Catholics to make the site Sungenis and Jews about two years ago? How is this different then?
 
So was it wrong for several Catholics to make the site Sungenis and Jews about two years ago? How is this different then?
What? I don’t know what you’re talking about. Is this in retaliation to what happened two years ago?
 
What? I don’t know what you’re talking about. Is this in retaliation to what happened two years ago?
No, I am just saying that there is no difference between I’m doing and what they did. To think otherwise falls into subjectivism.
 
So its OK, as long as most don’t know about it. :rolleyes:
By no means, but it is not your burden to inform us especially when you are really in no position to comment on the situation.
Cardinal Ratzinger, now Benedict XVI is known to have spoken out against modern rock and pop music.
You’ve thusfar demonstrated your incapability of citing sources for anything else you say, so I don’t suppose you can provide citations on this?
 
To what avail is it to you personally that you attempt to “expose” them publicly? As daring as it may seem, your blog is not something that I would put a real name to and really not helping the image of a website that many rely on for decent information about traditional Catholicism.
You’re right Fisheaters does have some good information for those who are new to traditional Catholicism. But this is how the Devil works, he mixes Truth with Error. I don’t know if you read the blog or not, but I’m asking primarily that the forum close.
 
You’ve thusfar demonstrated your incapability of citing sources for anything else you say, so I don’t suppose you can provide citations on this?
You make it too easy for me:

"In many forms of religion, music is associated with frenzy and ecstasy. The free expansion of human existence, toward which man’s own hunger for the Infinite is directed, is supposed to be achieved through sacred delirium induced by frenzied instrumental rhythms. Such music lowers the barriers of individuality and personality, and in it man liberates himself from the burden of consciousness.

Music becomes ecstasy, liberation from the ego, amalgamation with the universe. Today we experience the secularized variation of this type in rock and pop music, whose festivals are an anti-cult with the same tendency: desire for destruction, repealing the limitations of the everyday, and the illusion of salvation in liberation from the ego, in the wild ecstasy of a tumultuous crowd. These are measures which involve a form of release related to that achieved through drugs. It is the complete antithesis of Christian faith in the Redemption.

In a way which we could not imagine thirty years ago, music has become the decisive vehicle of a counter-religion and thus calls for a parting of the ways. Since rock music seeks release through liberation from the personality and its responsibility, it can be on the one hand precisely classified among the anarchic ideas of freedom which today predominate more openly in the West than in the East. But that is precisely why rock music is so completely antithetical to the Christian concept of redemption and freedom, indeed its exact opposite."–Cardinal Ratzinger, 1985.
 
I read the blog.

You also place a statement on “about me” the sidebar that states:

My intention is only truth and to prevent others from being scandalized.

By whom do you refer to as “others”? Do you mean other Catholics or those persons who are engaged in illicit affairs?

Do you not think that such personal information of others could harm them? How is it that you have taken responsiblility for such heroics?
 
By no means, but it is not your burden to inform us especially when you are really in no position to comment on the situation.
But it is my Burden. Someone several months ago tried to call them out on it, and they banned her. She was a potential Muslim convert. Do you think it is right that Nancy Pelosi, or Joe Biden go without censure?

From Nicaea II: “It is a sin leading to death when sinners remain uncorrected, but still worse is it when people flaunt their sin as they override holiness and truth, both preferring mammon to obedience to God and neglecting his legally formulated instructions. The Lord God is not present among such persons unless they humbly turn from their fault.”
 
I read the blog.

You also place a statement on “about me” the sidebar that states:

My intention is only truth and to prevent others from being scandalized.

By whom do you refer to as “others”? Do you mean other Catholics or those persons who are engaged in illicit affairs?
Potential converts to traditional Catholicism as well as to prevent others from thinking that this behavior is OK or is encourged by traditional Catholics or even traditional Catholicism. Forum owners must be held to higher standards, they are public figures. Do you see Karl Keating, or Michelle Arnold behaving like this?
Do you not think that such personal information of others could harm them? How is it that you have taken responsiblility for such heroics?
Because no one else will. Here is a locked AQ thread:angelqueen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24516&highlight=fisheaters

You can see that many disapprove of the behavior and liberalism.
 
You’re right Fisheaters does have some good information for those who are new to traditional Catholicism. But this is how the Devil works, he mixes Truth with Error. I don’t know if you read the blog or not, but I’m asking primarily that the forum close.
Are you new to the Internet or free speech?

Who are you asking to close the Fisheaters forum? This site, the Vatican, the CIA?

This thread is in violation of site rules and a waste of everyone’s time. Go whine to Fisheaters.
 
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