Fisher More college banned from celebrating EF

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Fisher More college states that their mission is to form perfect Christians.

The mission of the College is to “cooperate with divine grace in forming the true and perfect Christian, that is, to form Christ Himself.”

The college further states that they cannot achieve that mission without the Tridentine Mass.

Lex Orandi - We pray the Traditional Latin Mass and the associated rich Sacred Liturgy that has been passed down to us through the ages. We are certain that fidelity to the usus antiquior is essential to achieving our mission.

That’s just plain nonsense. There are many holy souls being formed without the Tridentine Mass. No, there is something else going on here. We only have one side of the story on from the traditionalist blog sites.

The Chancellor and a professor resigned in early 2012 over a some statements questioning the validity of the Second Vatican Council. There is more going on here than meets the eye.

The things being said about Pope Francis and the Bishop of Fort Worth are unconscionable.

-Tim-
This Catholic college links to the anti-Catholic, anti-Vatican “Remnant” from its own homepage. Sad but true. A site whose readers want Paul VI in hell deserves a damnatio memoriae.

fishermore.edu/welcome/

By the way, here’s “Remnant” on Catholic Answers Forums. Methinks I spot a green-eyed monster… 😃

remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/94-a-catholic-answer-to-catholic-answers
 
Sadly, it’s worse: Fisher More College posts links to this trash on their official website.

(A friend just brought this to my notice.) I can imagine how it would go down if I’d post, say, “Let India be given back to the British” stuff on my hospital’s website. Private opinions are one thing, but public endorsement in this case amounts to scandal. Link below:

fishermore.edu/welcome/

Wow, that is very troubling and could very well explain the decision of the Bishop. It is so sad that many who call themselves “traditionalists” have actually become trojan horses in the Catholic Church, bringing heresy and rebellion among many who may otherwise be very faithful Catholics.
Or rather, they claim to be. The real traditionalists are people like Pope Benedict XVI, the FSSP, etc. These “resistance” groups are Protestants in Catholic garb. (Note the semantic similarity between “resist” and “protest”.) And as far as making immoral allegations about the Papacy is concerned, they rival Luther. :mad:
 
Fisher More college states that their mission is to form perfect Christians.

The mission of the College is to “cooperate with divine grace in forming the true and perfect Christian, that is, to form Christ Himself.”

The college further states that they cannot achieve that mission without the Tridentine Mass.

Lex Orandi - We pray the Traditional Latin Mass and the associated rich Sacred Liturgy that has been passed down to us through the ages. We are certain that fidelity to the usus antiquior is essential to achieving our mission.

That’s just plain nonsense. There are many holy souls being formed without the Tridentine Mass. No, there is something else going on here. We only have one side of the story on from the traditionalist blog sites.

The Chancellor and a professor resigned in early 2012 over a some statements questioning the validity of the Second Vatican Council. There is more going on here than meets the eye.

The things being said about Pope Francis and the Bishop of Fort Worth are unconscionable.

-Tim-
It’s interesting that Canon Law Centre, which is defending the college against the bishop, says basically the same thing on their website, which you can see HERE:

“The Canon Law Centre is North America’s only full service canon law firm which proclaims fidelity to the Traditional Latin Mass as essential towards achieving its mission.”

I find this all very disturbing, but I’m grateful to the bishops who are on top of it.
 
Quattuor Abinc Annos, Ecclesia Dei, Summorum Pontificum, and Universae Ecclesiae say otherwise.

Oh, and let’s not forget the “spirit” behind those documents. 😦

But one would think that colleges weren’t set up to stifle learning of any kind. Wouldn’t you transfer to a different school if they suddenly prohibited the teaching of the history of the Church or parts of the Bible, for example?
But Fisher More is stifling the Ordinary Form of the Mass. How can that be a good thing?
 
Lex Orandi - We pray the Traditional Latin Mass and the associated rich Sacred Liturgy that has been passed down to us through the ages. We are certain that fidelity to the usus antiquior is essential to achieving our mission.

That’s just plain nonsense. There are many holy souls being formed without the Tridentine Mass. No, there is something else going on here. We only have one side of the story on from the traditionalist blog sites.
The question IS, what is the charism of the college? Each spirituality has it’s own calling by which souls are to be formed.

The FSSP and CRoSJC both have a charism to form souls via the Extraordinary Form. And that charism is recognized by the Church.

So I would say that you are in error, it IS reasonable for a Traditional Catholic movement to claim that the EF is essential (core to the essence of) their mission
 
Quattuor Abinc Annos, Ecclesia Dei, Summorum Pontificum, and Universae Ecclesiae say otherwise.

Oh, and let’s not forget the “spirit” behind those documents. 😦
My point is that there is more to this than meets the eye. The Chancellor resigned two years ago over statements about the validity of the Second Vatican Council. The school clearly has issues.

Personally, I’ll be happy when this divisive Summorum Pontificum nonsense ends and we have one Mass for everyone.

-Tim-
 
Wow, that is very troubling and could very well explain the decision of the Bishop. It is so sad that many who call themselves “traditionalists” have actually become trojan horses in the Catholic Church, bringing heresy and rebellion among many who may otherwise be very faithful Catholics.
I’ll definitely agree it’s troubling. Probably more so that this story (or its release and/or spin) appears to have only widened the gap between the two camps, if you will. There’s enough division in the Church between people of different cultures already.
 
I’ll definitely agree it’s troubling. Probably more so that this story (or its release and/or spin) appears to have only widened the gap between the two camps, if you will.
Has it widened the gap or only exposed it?
 
The question IS, what is the charism of the college? Each spirituality has it’s own calling by which souls are to be formed.

The FSSP and CRoSJC both have a charism to form souls via the Extraordinary Form. And that charism is recognized by the Church.

So I would say that you are in error, it IS reasonable for a Traditional Catholic movement to claim that the EF is essential (core to the essence of) their mission
Of course you say that I am in error, because you disagree with me.

Reality however, often defies our arguments, and the pursuit of Christian perfection remains independent of any form of the Mass.

-Tim-
 
Wow, that is very troubling and could very well explain the decision of the Bishop. It is so sad that many who call themselves “traditionalists” have actually become trojan horses in the Catholic Church, bringing heresy and rebellion among many who may otherwise be very faithful Catholics.
I’ll definitely agree it’s troubling. Probably more so that this story (or its release and/or spin) appears to have only widened the gap between the two camps, if you will. Or exposed it, as you say. There’s enough division in the Church between people of different cultures already. Hispanics vs Anglophones, for example, in my local community. I see this more of a problem, quite frankly.
 
My point is that there is more to this than meets the eye. The Chancellor resigned two years ago over statements about the validity of the Second Vatican Council. The school clearly has issues.

Personally, I’ll be happy when this divisive Summorum Pontificum nonsense ends and we have one Mass for everyone.

-Tim-
There was a time when I would have disagreed with you. I love the Latin Mass, and I appreciate very much what Pope Benedict XVI was trying to do when he gave us Summorum Pontificum. But as you point out, it only seems to have made things worse. In trying to show compassion and kindness to those who want the older form of the Mass, it seems to have empowered them to rebellion against the hierarchy.

How very tragic that this beautiful liturgy is being used as a weapon by Catholics against other Catholics.
 
The question IS, what is the charism of the college? Each spirituality has it’s own calling by which souls are to be formed.

The FSSP and CRoSJC both have a charism to form souls via the Extraordinary Form. And that charism is recognized by the Church.

So I would say that you are in error, it IS reasonable for a Traditional Catholic movement to claim that the EF is essential (core to the essence of) their mission
The problem with your statement is you are comparing apples and oranges. A private order such as FSSP has identified Traditional Liturgy as their charism, and there is nothing wrong with that. But a college is a public institution, and to exclude any part of the Catholic Church shows a definite prejudice on their part and can be very harmful to the students because it will prejudice them against those who do not think like they do.
 
Personally, I’ll be happy when this divisive Summorum Pontificum nonsense ends and we have one Mass for everyone.
That I believe shows contempt for Church policy. And we won’t have one Mass for everyone because the Church employs 23 or 24 valid rites, all equally valid and legitimate and excludes no one.
 
The question IS, what is the charism of the college? Each spirituality has it’s own calling by which souls are to be formed.

The FSSP and CRoSJC both have a charism to form souls via the Extraordinary Form. And that charism is recognized by the Church.

So I would say that you are in error, it IS reasonable for a Traditional Catholic movement to claim that the EF is essential (core to the essence of) their mission
I don’t think the essentiality of the EF is the issue at hand. It’s the open endorsement of The Remnant, and of Attila and his gang, which must be bothering the good Bishop.
 
I think the issue at stake here is whether the local bishop can place a blanket ban celebration of the 1962 missal. According to Summorum Pontificum, priests do not need permission from the local ordinary to make use of the 1962 rites (and the community at Fisher More certainly seems like a stable group of faithful, does it not?). But if he can ban it, it appears that his permission is needed. This is why I do not think his decision will hold up under church law once the appeal has been submitted to Ecclesia Dei, and I pray for its speedy resolution.
 
I think the issue at stake here is whether the local bishop can place a blanket ban celebration of the 1962 missal. According to Summorum Pontificum, priests do not need permission from the local ordinary to make use of the 1962 rites (and the community at Fisher More certainly seems like a stable group of faithful, does it not?). But if he can ban it, it appears that his permission is needed. This is why I do not think his decision will hold up under church law once the appeal has been submitted to Ecclesia Dei, and I pray for its speedy resolution.
Not as long as they link to anti-Catholic garbage like The Remnant.
 
Not as long as they link to anti-Catholic garbage like The Remnant.
Your intent to smear Fisher More by linking them to the Remnant (calling them anti-Catholic…really?) is telling; you are perfectly willing to smear Catholics, throw them under the bus, so to speak, to defend bad decisions by bishops.

Telling.
 
Please let’s keep this thread polite, respectful, charitable, and free of all attacks.
 
Your intent to smear Fisher More by linking them to the Remnant (calling them anti-Catholic…really?) is telling; you are perfectly willing to smear Catholics, throw them under the bus, so to speak, to defend bad decisions by bishops.

Telling.
Whoa, you need to take a breath. Fisher More, as RPRPsych has shown, links to both The Remant and Catholic Family News on their website. There is no smearing here, just a showing of the facts. No one is throwing anyone under the bus.
 
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