Fishers of Men

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As a Catholic who came to the Church in his 20’s, I had to do a lot of self-study to understand the mass and the Catholic faith.

The mass is beautiful and based giving thanks to God. It is centered around the command that Jesus gave to Eat his body and Blood to proclaim his death and ressurection for all time.

BUT, how do we educate non-catholics and non-christians to help them understand and love the beauty of the mass and its focus on the sacrifice of Jesus, not human entertainment?

Most protestant Churchs are not done as an offering to Christ, but as a way to preach to people. (I apologize if this line offends anyone, I could not find a better way to say it) The focus is the sermon. It is easy for people to listen and very inviting to nominal Christians and non-Christian. You can sit there and listen. In the Catholic Church participation is necessary, but many shy people will be put off by this and not investigate the beauty of the faith.

HOW do Catholic’s become better fishers of men, to help people understand the truth, history, and love of Jesus found in the Catholic church??
 
The Real Presence in the Eucharist is for our benefit, at least I can see it that way. If for some reason a person is not aware of that, how can it be his fault? Jesus is The Word made Flesh. If you study The Word sooner or later you will find the truth. John 6:66 As a result of this, may (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him." That is the only 666 address in the Bible.
 
I do not think that Protestant worship services are about human entertainment. It is souly about worshiping our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. The Bible say to worship God with music and preaching. The Bible asks how can a person believe in that which he has not heard. The Bible also says that faith comes by hearing the Word of God and we ear the Word of God when it is preached.
The Bible also says that Christians are to assemble together and encourage one another and when they do Christ is there with us. Whenever I am at church or with a group of Christians I fell that strong presence of Jesus Christ there too.

In Heaven everyone is a Baptist
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well said allischalmers

hope that clears up another misconception folks 😃
 
I have a question, going to a cc church cannot only be about eucherist

When I go with my friend the Priest prays and says a sermon theres a choir, maybe even a solo, perhaps a conversation with someone afterwards.
 
The mass is focused on the eucharist, which was instituted at the Last Supper and Expressed as an integral part of Christianity in the Early Church writtings and especially in 1 Cor.

There is a homily (sermon) singing, and Scripture readings, but the ultimate culmination of the Mass is a Proclaiming of the Lord’s sacrifice and our ability to participate in it with the eucharist. (this is a whole other topic)

I apologize if I gave offended non-Catholics, but many non-Christians refuse Christ because it is not entertaining enough. The topic of the Post was how as Catholics we can become better Fishers of Men to show people the gift of the Sacraments esp. the Eucharist.

Perhaps, I posted this in the wrong forum

sorry

God Bless
 
Flying_Bison said:
The mass is focused on the eucharist, which was instituted at the Last Supper and Expressed as an integral part of Christianity in the Early Church writtings and especially in 1 Cor.

There is a homily (sermon) singing, and Scripture readings, but the ultimate culmination of the Mass is a Proclaiming of the Lord’s sacrifice and our ability to participate in it with the eucharist. (this is a whole other topic)

I apologize if I gave offended non-Catholics, but many non-Christians refuse Christ because it is not entertaining enough. The topic of the Post was how as Catholics we can become better Fishers of Men to show people the gift of the Sacraments esp. the Eucharist.

Perhaps, I posted this in the wrong forum

sorry

God Bless
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you posted fine, dont be sorry. Do have to say I have not heard it said that cc is not entertaining enough. To ridged maybe the “flow” of the Holy Spirit is confined and cant move Ive heard said.

now you sitting down 🙂

I will confess I maybe agreed with that when I saw that things were written out ahead of time in the cc (the missel) BUT 😃

If I was thought of by God before I was in my mothers womb then I think it just could be, maybe even in Gods ability to possibly lay out some service plans in advance that would be used at the Catholic church.

not bad eh?? we all confine God too much with our puny brains.

ps thanks for the nut shell, I do attend with my friend from time to time. lately not as her son is ADDHD to the tenth power.
 
water said:
Hello Kitty,

These articles here can give you a quick idea about the Catholic Mass.
catholic.com/library/Sacrifice_of_the_Mass.asp
ewtn.com/faith/teachings/euchb1.htm
therealpresence.org/eucharst/link/e-litur.html
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Thanks Water

I read those and I have a question on the eucharst, if you want to move this fine but no one on this site seems to be able to answer it for me. I get what for example the article above is speaking about. What gets me is the thoughts and ideas and beliefs I have about the eucharst are the same.

but the actual blood versus symbol hang me up. Now when I have done communion, when its said This is My Blood, I do think of it as the blood. And the body broken I think of Christ on the Cross being beaten, and stabbed and the horror He endured for me.

And I cant see where Im wrong with the description in the article you quoted. People on the site keep saying “I” dont get it. I look at it and get it, then, Im told again I as a protestant, I actually dont. Its getting terribly frusterating,

Maybe Im unusual, Ive attended various churches, my friends Catholic, Baptist, Pentacostal, Mennonite, even Word of Faith, so maybe I see things different, I dont know. 🙂
 
Kitty_Chan said:
Thanks Water

Now when I have done communion, when its said This is My Blood, I do think of it as the blood. And the body broken I think of Christ on the Cross being beaten, and stabbed and the horror He endured for me.
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Hello Kitty,

First, I must say that I haven’t discussed the Eucharist with many people that are not Catholic; therefore, my explanation or response might not be as clear as you want to be … but at least…we are having a conversation to share our common faith is a great thing to do. 🙂

When you said you drink the wine you think of it as the Blood…that is what I do to…however, do you believe it is blood? that is what I believe. The same thing for His Body.

What do other protestants think? I think in general, they don’t think the way you think…it is done to memory Him alone…am I right?

PS: [On a side note, during the communion, if a Catholic takes the ‘bread’ alone, that also includes His Body and Blood. We don’t believe that you have to drink the wine in order to have both.]
 
water said:
Hello Kitty,

First, I must say that I haven’t discussed the Eucharist with many people that are not Catholic; therefore, my explanation or response might not be as clear as you want to be … but at least…we are having a conversation to share our common faith is a great thing to do. 🙂

And I appreciate it, I truly am not trying to “set up” to trap points. I do love to understand more about the Lord, I deeply feel His people do need to come together and possibly understanding is the first step.

When you said you drink the wine you think of it as the Blood…that is what I do to…however, do you believe it is blood? that is what I believe. The same thing for His Body.

What do other protestants think? I think in general, they don’t think the way you think…it is done to memory Him alone…am I right?

Hmm trying to think here yea definetely think of it as the blood, have even considered it could be the blood, but until now didnt think anyone considered a difference between believing and thinking. does that make sense, Im starting to think Im wierd 😃 and getting slightly convinced God speaks to us in those mysterious ways.

As for other protestants its definetely to remember Christ, His sacrifice, suffering. But thinking of the blood hmm have to ask my most lovely sis-in-love and see what she thinks. could poll the bro and other sis-in-love and see what they think.

Generally I know Baptist churches have communion mostly on the first sunday of each month use grape juice in the tiny cups and drink together at the same time which is moveing in itself. But back to the whole topic I wouldnt do it for a long time as I didnt want to be "wrong in my heart and I knew it was important and didnt want to take it lightly. It actually is a part I havent studied alot, perhaps why Im looking at it now.

I was quite surprised when I found this difference of actual blood versus remembered blood. I thought the only difference was frequency, and how the wine is distributed cup or tiny cup, bread chunks, loafs of bread or wafers.

Im still trying to determine exactly WHY its important for it to be actual blood or remembered blood as both ways result in remembering and honoring Jesus.

PS: [On a side note, during the communion, if a Catholic takes the ‘bread’ alone, that also includes His Body and Blood. We don’t believe that you have to drink the wine in order to have both.]
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now youve said that I remember it

Thanks 🙂
 
Flying Byson,

To become fishers of men means you must show love to others. (Nice statement but what does this mean?) We must have the courage to state what the Catholic Church teaches any of the various topics that come up in discussion. That means we must know the faith so study the Catechism. Now we must also understand that on some topics what we say to others will be very difficult for them to accept. We need patience.

I find generally that most Protestants claim Catholics don’t know the Bible and that we live by “man-made” rules or laws. So we must also understand and know the Bible to be able to reference where in the Bible our faith comes from. Yes, some of our faith comes from Sacred Tradition that is not clearly spelled out in the Bible so being familiar with the early church fathers is a big plus. But most say if it ain’t scripture it ain’t faith.

The task you raise is not an easy one. We must work hard to know our faith to be able to convince others. Really, they deserve that from us.
 
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