Five Non-negotiables and Catholic Dictators

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This may seem like a ridiculous question, but I am trying to get a broader social and political context for the doctrine of five non-negotiables. Weren’t the regimes of Catholic strongmen like Francisco Franco, Augusto Pinochet, Papa Doc Duvalier and Ferdinand Marcos just about perfect in terms of the five non-negotiables, for example, no abortions, no euthanasia, no homosexual “marriage” ( no open homosexuality at all) and so on? Does this make such regimes desirable and are such harsh governments worth the cost in social inequalities, lack of free speech, damage to the reputation of the Catholic gospel, etc.?–Rumil
 
There is no doctrine of “five non-negotiables.” That is a program adopted by some US conservative groups with a political interest, but is not official Catholic doctrine.
 
GEddie said:
Human cloning and embryonic stem-cell research.
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I’m not surprised Franco missed those two…
The Church is against the murder of the innocent in general, whether they are born or not, so many of the practices of these “catholic” dictators would not square with catholic beliefs. I haven’t come across doctrine of five non-negotiables in the way you set out, our non-negotiable’s begin with the ten commandments
 
When I listen Catholic Answers Live it seems to to me that the non-negotiables are presented as infallable doctrine, on par with the divinity of Christ or the perpetual virginity of Mary; perhaps even more important than all other doctrine since Catholics are free to vote for atheists or Protestants.It seems to me that is important to stand up against abortion and euthanasia, but not at the expense of all other moral issues. If we look at it in terms of the protection of innocent life, it is clear that the dictators I mentioned don’t score so well. Yes, some of ther victims were communists or Masons, and so not entirely innocent but in the case of Franco, for example, some victims were simply culturally heterodox (modernist poets and musicians, Gypsies, Basques, Catalans,etc). It is pretty clear that these dictators still have their admirers among contemporary Catholics–the close ties between the founders of Opus Dei and Franco or the friendship between the Duvalier family and Mother Teresa, for example.–Rumil
 
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When I listen Catholic Answers Live it seems to to me that the non-negotiables are presented as infallable doctrine, on par with the divinity of Christ or the perpetual virginity of Mary; perhaps even more important than all other doctrine since Catholics are free to vote for atheists or Protestants.It seems to me that is important to stand up against abortion and euthanasia, but not at the expense of all other moral issues. If we look at it in terms of the protection of innocent life, it is clear that the dictators I mentioned don’t score so well. Yes, some of ther victims were communists or Masons, and so not entirely innocent but in the case of Franco, for example, some victims were simply culturally heterodox (modernist poets and musicians, Gypsies, Basques, Catalans,etc). It is pretty clear that these dictators still have their admirers among contemporary Catholics–the close ties between the founders of Opus Dei and Franco or the friendship between the Duvalier family and Mother Teresa, for example.–Rumil
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It comes from a document issued by the USCCB
 
Rumil said:
This may seem like a ridiculous question, but I am trying to get a broader social and political context for the doctrine of five non-negotiables. Weren’t the regimes of Catholic strongmen like Francisco Franco, Augusto Pinochet, Papa Doc Duvalier and Ferdinand Marcos just about perfect in terms of the five non-negotiables, for example, no abortions, no euthanasia, no homosexual “marriage” ( no open homosexuality at all) and so on? Does this make such regimes desirable and are such harsh governments worth the cost in social inequalities, lack of free speech, damage to the reputation of the Catholic gospel, etc.?–Rumil
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Two wrongs do not make a right.:dts:

In the case of the four dictators you mentioned, hundreds of wrongs do not make a right. :tsktsk:
 
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