Flat earth and traditional catholicism

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was the church right is positing that the earth was flat, proof today shows that the earth cant be a globe. the formula for curvature is self debunking. will the church once again stand with the unpopular belief that the earth is flat??
 
The Church shepherds in the name of Christ. If the scientists prove that the world is flat the Church will probably say “so it is flat then.” Flat or a globe, our spiritual problems remain the same. Morality is not touched by the form of the earth. The Church has been accused of interfering with science in the past, and now she is doing what society asks her to do - remain distant in matters that do not affect the integrity of the human being body and soul.
 
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was the church right is positing that the earth was flat, proof today shows that the earth cant be a globe. the formula for curvature is self debunking. will the church once again stand with the unpopular belief that the earth is flat??
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I do not believe the Church ever taught as doctrine that the Earth is flat. No doubt there were individual churchmen who believed this. The Church did not teach it.

Speaking only for myself, I think ‘flat earth’ is nonsense.
 
i do think it matters because it speaks on morality …even influences morality . if we are on a flat plane then God placed us here and the firmament keeps us locked on this plane . once people are aware of this barrier that is God made they will know for sure that God created the world and is over and above his creation. no one again will say we are here by chance… is this not the Gospel… to know Jesus and the Father who sent him to us ???
 
the flat earth proves the genesis account of creation of the firmament is this not something the church wants to pursue … its proof we can take the creation story quite literally . i personally think God is revealing himself in this new and unpopular flat earth theory
 
Ah, I feel you. I had some dreams too, in which I could see Earth and it wasn’t round. But that’s not enough, dreams can be deceiving. It was a pretty strong dream though. But I still don’t think the Church will make a lot of fuss about it. Just my guess.
 
Sure the idea of chance will be challenged in a flat earth system. However it will be a time when many alternative ideas as to WHY we are here will explode. False prophets will swim like fish in the sea. Those would be very difficult times.
 
lol!!! you are funny!! but i’m actually serious about this if you want to dismiss please do . but i thing God is written all over the flat earth theory. research it first before committing it to the dust bin.
 
i hear you there . opening a can of worms . i can see that happen . what happens to the statement “the truth will set you free???” should we hide the truth for fear of reprisals?
 
I wasn’t being funny. I actually had that type of dream. You don’t have to believe me if you don’t want to.
I also found many passages in the Bible that make no sense unless the world is flat. Especially when the edges of the world are mentioned (I found this in Psalms). I remember the passage was “His power extends to the edges of the earth”. What edges? A globe doesn’t have edges. What leaves me uncomfortable is the fact that… if it is so… then what has NASA and other space programs have been showing us? Or maybe I don’t understand what they are showing us?
 
No it won’t. It’s been proven that the Earth is a globe. The Church is not going to take a position that is riduculous and untrue.

We know for certain that the Earth is one of many planets in one of many galaxies in the universe.
 
i believe that God fulfills his word … i thought you were joking i’m sorry. yes flat earth confirms so many scriptures… how Joshua made the sun stand still till he won , this would not be possible if the sun was stationary and the world was spinning. also have you thought what separates the vacuum of space from our atmosphere??? … The firmament!!! otherwise a vacuum cant coexist with an oxygen filled atmosphere without making it unstable.NASA is a strategy to keep us content with the lies we have been told about the globe earth. God says the earth is fixed and cannot be moved Psalm 104:5 ( does the bible lie??) i think not!!
 
“Proof today shows the earth can’t be a globe”? I’m sorry, but conspiracy theories or failure to accept scientific observation is not “proof”…nor is it necessary to buy into to be Catholic.::
 
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i believe that God fulfills his word … i thought you were joking i’m sorry. yes flat earth confirms so many scriptures… how Joshua made the sun stand still till he won , this would not be possible if the sun was stationary and the world was spinning. also have you thought what separates the vacuum of space from our atmosphere??? … The firmament!!! otherwise a vacuum cant coexist with an oxygen filled atmosphere without making it unstable.NASA is a strategy to keep us content with the lies we have been told about the globe earth. God says the earth is fixed and cannot be moved Psalm 104:5 ( does the bible lie??) i think not!!
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Some things are “true” only from a phenomenological POV. For me, looking out my window, the sun DOES rise in the AM, and goes “down” in the PM. The world is flat, when considered on the tiny scale of one person, and their usual routine. My level does work, in my house.

I do not have to consider the curvature of the earth when I go for a walk, only because it is so big. If it were shrunk to the size of my neighborhood, I would have to walk differently. Or, if I take a long flight on this size globe, the flight plan does have to consider the curvature.

The Bible was written for people who did not need to take into account the motion of the planets or shape of the planet. The Church affirms the value of Reason, which is created by God, and has helped bring about growth in knowledge. The saints in their writings often applied recently learned information from science or geography.

Religious websites that pretend that we don’t really know what shape the earth is, or similar nonsense, are building their website hits, or selling publications. Nobody ever went broke by printing outrageous headlines. They can always find some quasi-scientist who supports some weird conclusion by focusing on one fact, but ignoring 9 more relevant facts. If you bend a fact here, and ignore other evidence there, you can “prove” gravity can’t possibly exist, or prove electricity is just a myth, or … whatever.

The scientific method is related to Reason. The Church is not the rival of Reason, the Church affirms Reason. As time goes on, the secular society is moving away from Reason, as can be shown by visiting some colleges and watching the snowflakes. When Christians push the lurid headlines, like The Earth is Flat, it makes the gospel look ridiculous and weakens our defense of Reason.
 
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mamoyo said:
the flat earth proves the genesis account of creation of the firmament is this not something the church wants to pursue … its proof we can take the creation story quite literally
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The Church doesn’t teach Genesis is literal and it NEVER has.
 
mamoyo said:
i do think it matters because it speaks on morality …even influences morality . if we are on a flat plane then God placed us here and the firmament keeps us locked on this plane . once people are aware of this barrier that is God made they will know for sure that God created the world and is over and above his creation. no one again will say we are here by chance… is this not the Gospel… to know Jesus and the Father who sent him to us ???
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If knowing the Earth to be flat would mean no one denies that God created the world, then how is it that thousands of years ago, well before the time of Christ, there were people claiming that God does not even exist? "The fool has said in his heart ‘there is no God’ "
There are multiple passages in the Old Testament that show people denying God’s authority or His care for us, and even denying HIs existence. This was at a time when people did believe the Earth was flat.
 
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The Church doesn’t teach Genesis is literal and it NEVER has.
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That statement is too broad. The Church has always held that there are fundamental aspects of Genesis that must be held literally. Namely, that Adam and Eve are literally our first parents, and that they are literally responsible for the commission of the Original Sin.

“For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which through generation is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.”

-from Humani generis, encyclical of Ven. Pope Pius XII (8/12/1950)
 
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