Flip-flop thread - Marian Doctrine

[jax8686]

Mary is Dead! plain and simple, and by talking to her, you condraict scripture because it says not to talk to the dead.

The death referred to in Dt 18:10-11 is the true death of being Cut off from the mercy and grace of God for all eternity., Mark 12:26-27 Jesus tells us that His Father is a God of the living, not of the dead. During the transfiguration, Jesus is seen talkign to Moses and Elijah. if talking to the dead is a sin, Jesus just sinned big time (He was after all completely human, as well as divine).

 

[trumpet152]

hurst:

Here you equate prayer to worship. This is where you are wrong. We can “pray” to anyone who has the power to answer our request, for it means to ask in a pleading manner (as you show later).

Pray : \Pray, v. t. 1. To address earnest request to; to supplicate; to entreat; to implore; to beseech.

Well put. We tend to misunderstand what is meant by “pray.” You can see the true meaning of the word in the works of Shakespeare. “I pray you” is a common phrase, and it does not always refer to God. If I am asking you to do something, I pray you to do it. Of course if you define prayer as “communication to God,” than that is not what Catholics do when we talk to Mary.