Flying Spaghetti Monster, what is done to combat them?

[Mirdath]

Yea, it is written, thus saith young earther Henry Morris:

Thus saith too flat earthers:

Ah! I stand corrected and recant my earlier posts in the light of this supremely revealed Truth!

or not

 

[reggieM]

Hopefully others will be helped by our discussion.

I enjoyed the serious posts. Unfortunately, as the thread started with ridicule, it ended in the same way. It helps me to see that arguments against Darwinian evolution are quite strong actually. This is what causes some people to get upset and reveal a complete lack of theological and philosohpical knowledge – as in the Flying Spaghetti Monster thing. As if modern science was not profoundly influenced (and as many say “created”) on a foundation of Christian belief.

I agree also that evolutionary theory was a primary cause some of the most Satanic brutality we saw in the last century.

 

[DL82]

This was not designed to insult God. It was designed to show ID for what it is, absolute garbage that has no place in our school curriculum.

AA, I suppose the real problem with Intelligent Design is not that it is taught, but that it is taught in the science classroom. Clearly ID is not science. As a Christian, I believe that God’s hand is behind Creation, and that this can be shown. I don’t believe it can be shown from the scientific evidence alone.

The problem is that children are not taught about religion in schools, and they are not taught how to think about the broad philosophical claims that have been made by religious and secular thinkers about why the world exists.

What kind of education teaches kids not to ask where they came from or why? There is an art and a science to asking these questions and advancing towards the answers, religious education is not indoctrination. Is it any wonder our society is in such chaos?

 

[Chris_LaRock]

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This is soooooooo disrespectful to God!!!

(note that the word venganza means vengeance)

This reminds me…

Psa 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart: There is no God. They are corrupt, and are become abominable in their ways: there is none that doth good, no not one.

Psa 53:1 The fool said in his heart: There is no God. (53:2) They are corrupted, and become abominable in iniquities: there is none that doth good.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made. His eternal power also and divinity: so that they are inexcusable.
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God or given thanks: but became vain in their thoughts. And their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 For, professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

 

[SFTor]

If science is based on atheism, then the teaching of science is teaching a religion as if it were the absolute objective truth. That would make all science classes unconstitutional here in America.

Clearly, science can not and must not assume the atheist position. Atheism, after all, is the positive belief that there is not, never has been, and never will be, any sort of supreme being(s).

In order for science to be consistent with its own standards, it MUST take a neutral view toward anything supernatural. After all, the mere notion of something as supernatural puts it beyond the realm of scientific study. So, science must not assume the truth of a hypothesis that it has no means of testing. Science can not prove that there is a God (based on our current knowledge of the issue). At the same time, it is generally accepted that a negative can never be proved for a certainty (you can show one thing to be true, but you can not show that something else is absolutely false). Therefore, science can not take the atheist position. It could perhaps take a position similar to agnosticism, but really it should simply remain silent on the issue.

Similarly, while science can offer lots of interesting knowledge about what is observable, that ultimately offers no real incite into the great questions. Science offers an mechanism to describe what the observable natural world is. It can’t tell us what should be. It can’t tell us why it is. Science must therefore be silent on those issues.

Real science does not make any sort of values judgments. Individual scientists may, but as a discipline, it can not.

Do you actually, really, honestly believe that science is based on atheism?

The notion of it makes my head spin.

You are arguing a straw man. You’ll feel better when you stop doing that.

Best,

Tor

 

[strngrnrth]

Do you actually, really, honestly believe that science is based on atheism?

The notion of it makes my head spin.

You are arguing a straw man. You’ll feel better when you stop doing that.

Best,

Tor

I notice that some atheists like to hop from one hot piece of pavement to the other, calling their belief system “atheism” when people notice that many scientists are and always have been religious people, including top physicists, biologists and chemists, then hop to the other foot and call it “science” when atheism as a belief system meets any challenge.

 

[strngrnrth]

Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?

Though I must say that I’m a member of the Reformed Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, who believe that it’s a lack of ninjas, not pirates that is responsible for global warming.

How can you believe such things after what the Ninja Leotard Outlet did to the Franco-American community in Andorra in the Pulltop Movement from 1290-1293, when the pirates were forced to live on canned dinosaur-shaped spaghetti and thousands drowned themselves? Are you in favor of such things?

 

[SFTor]

How can you believe such things after what the Ninja Leotard Outlet did to the Franco-American community in Andorra in the Pulltop Movement from 1290-1293, when the pirates were forced to live on canned dinosaur-shaped spaghetti and thousands drowned themselves? Are you in favor of such things?

An excellent post. Thank you!

As to your previous post about how atheists are using science for their own designs: perhaps some are, I don’t know.

Atheism is not a belief. It is absence of belief. As such it cannot be attacked, except by saying “you should believe.” I think atheists get into the public debate these days because they feel that the separation of Church and State is threatened. They like it just the way it is, and so should religious people—seriously.