Flynn, Arinze & Rainbow Sash

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CNS quotes U.S. Archbishop Harry Flynn of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis.

While in Rome during his December 2004 ‘ad limina’ [3] meeting, Flynn said he discussed in private with His Eminence Francis Cardinal Arinze, Prefect for the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments [CDW], whether sash-wearing ‘gays’ should be allowed to receive Holy Communion.

Archbishop Flynn told CNS that after speaking to Cardinal Arinze, he was not asked to change his policy of giving the Eucharist to sash-wearing persons. He said he received no sense that the Vatican was pushing for a single policy on this.

“I got the clear understanding that this is recognized as a very complex pastoral issue which must constantly be looked at in all its ramifications,” CNS quoted Flynn as saying.

“There was encouragement to keep on teaching and also to be aware of the forces everywhere, including the United States, that are against the long tradition of the teachings of the Church.”

Flynn added, “Sometimes we don’t come to the same conclusion about how to handle it.”

Interestingly, in a private letter to this writer, dated January 15, 2005, Cardinal Arinze refuted the statements given by Archbishop Flynn. Cardinal Arinze’s secretary wrote:

**"Dear Ms. Kralis, His Eminence, Francis Cardinal Arinze, asks me to thank you for your communication regarding a news release from the “Catholic News Service” dated December 14, 2004. It concerns the Cardinal’s private discussion with the Archbishop of St. Paul and Minneapolis, His Excellency Archbishop Harry J. Flynn.

"Cardinal Arinze wants you to know that the report was not exact and does not show his stand. He has written Archbishop Flynn about it.

"Rainbow Sash wearers, the Cardinal says, are showing their opposition to Church teaching on a major issue of natural law and so disqualify themselves from being given Holy Communion.

“I wish you a happy New Year. Sincerely.”**

Does this indicate that the faithful Catholics in the Archdiocese of St. Paul will suffer scandal once more on Pentecost Sunday — 2005?

Just recently, the Rainbow Sash Movement has issued a national call for others who oppose the Church’s teachings on sodomy to join them on May 15, 2005 by wearing the Rainbow Sash in a parish or a Cathedral.

renewamerica.us/columns/kralis/050123
 
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HagiaSophia:
Interestingly, in a private letter to this writer, dated January 15, 2005, Cardinal Arinze …
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Who is “this writer”?

I’ve looked at the image of the supposed letter at seattlecatholic.com - at first glance it appears to be a quick and obvious fake. It does not conform in style with any of the real letters that I have seen in the past.
 
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davidc2:
Who is “this writer”?
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It’s the rather well known columnist Barbara Keralis.
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davidc2:
I’ve looked at the image of the supposed letter at seattlecatholic.com - at first glance it appears to be a quick and obvious fake. It does not conform in style with any of the real letters that I have seen in the past.
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In all candor since I’ve not received a letter from Cardinal Arinze - I could’t say one way or another----I somehow doubt though that she would post that in her column if it wasn’t true. Since the letter starts out Dear Mrs. Keralis, it seems to me that she wrote to them inquiring about what Bishop Flynn reported and is posting the reply she received. I certainly can’t say that I can verify it one way or another.
 
What is a “Rainbow Sash Movement?”

I apologize, but I just don’t know.

Like, as long as whoever believes everything the Church teaches, is in a state of grace, has confessed their mortal sins, and completed their prescribed penance, can’t they receive communion?

That sounds like it might rule out the rainbow sash group. But that’s why I ask.
 
Reformed Rob:
What is a “Rainbow Sash Movement?”

I apologize, but I just don’t know.

Like, as long as whoever believes everything the Church teaches, is in a state of grace, has confessed their mortal sins, and completed their prescribed penance, can’t they receive communion?

That sounds like it might rule out the rainbow sash group. But that’s why I ask.
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They are a group of homosexual activists who are rebeling against the Churces teaching against homosexual lifestyles:mad: So they were their sashes out of rebelliousness and dare the priest to say anything,and march up to communion.God Bless
 
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HagiaSophia:
It’s the rather well known columnist Barbara Keralis.
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Sorry I’m not at all familiar with her. I can’t say the letter is a fake for sure - only that it doesn’t look anything like any other letter I’ve seen from a Vatican office. Its missing several things which are always present (no, I won’t detail them here - but just search the web for other official Vatican documents - and it’ll become pretty obvious.)
 
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davidc2:
Sorry I’m not at all familiar with her. I can’t say the letter is a fake for sure - only that it doesn’t look anything like any other letter I’ve seen from a Vatican office. Its missing several things which are always present (no, I won’t detail them here - but just search the web for other official Vatican documents - and it’ll become pretty obvious.)
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There you go, you said it. As this was a personal letter written by an individual maybe the response is a personal answer rather than an offical Vatican document.
 
I’m sure we’ll hear soon if the letter is real or not – Mrs. Kralis has guts to be putting this out here.

Does anyone on here from the St. Paul area remember if this Mrs. Kralis is the person that Archbishop Flynn was berating in the Catholic Spirit a few months ago (in the summer?) for spreading detraction online?

+veritas+
 
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davidc2:
Sorry I’m not at all familiar with her. I can’t say the letter is a fake for sure - only that it doesn’t look anything like any other letter I’ve seen from a Vatican office. Its missing several things which are always present (no, I won’t detail them here - but just search the web for other official Vatican documents - and it’ll become pretty obvious.)
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I didn’t take her cite of the content to be an official Vatican document - I took it to be simply a copy in her column of the letter’s text.
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
They are a group of homosexual activists who are rebeling against the Churces teaching against homosexual lifestyles:mad: So they were their sashes out of rebelliousness and dare the priest to say anything,and march up to communion.God Bless
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Wow! That’s blatantly blatant!!

I take it they aren’t Catholics, so they shouldn’t be receiving communion anyways.
 
Reformed Rob:
Wow! That’s blatantly blatant!!

I take it they aren’t Catholics, so they shouldn’t be receiving communion anyways.
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They claim to be Catholics.

The thing is, a Catholic who openly opposes, by word or deed, the teaching of the Church, is not disposed to receive the Holy Eucharist. And there certainly isn’t time to receive absolution in the Sacramant of Penance first, when the deed is done on the way up the aisle to receive.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
Re: my previous post on this thread

After communicating with some folks who deal with curial letters more often than I - they suggest that it may be legitimate and simply an informal “form letter” sent in response after numerous inquiries.
 
Update:

A Vatican official has recommended that U.S. bishops adopt a uniform pastoral approach for ministering to members of Rainbow Sash, a gay rights group, said Archbishop Harry J. Flynn of St. Paul-Minneapolis.

Archbishop Flynn allows members wearing the sash to receive Communion, while some other bishops do not.

In a Jan. 26 statement, Archbishop Flynn said he met in mid-December with Cardinal Francis Arinze, head of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments, to discuss “the difficult pastoral situation” of Rainbow Sash.

Cardinal Arinze “did not in fact suggest an immediate change to the policy in the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis,” Archbishop Flynn said in his statement.

“However, he did clearly indicate that this situation merits further study and that ideally all of the bishops who have pastoral care for the members of this movement should seek to adopt a uniform approach,” the statement said. “This recommendation needs to be reviewed by those bishops involved in the near future.”

Archbishop Flynn said he was issuing the statement to clarify remarks he made in an interview with Catholic News Service in December.

In the December CNS interview, Archbishop Flynn said it was recognized that U.S. bishops have come to different conclusions about how to respond to Rainbow Sash members who present themselves for Communion, but he said he got no sense that the Vatican was pushing for a single policy on this.

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0500509.htm
 
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HagiaSophia:
Update:

A Vatican official has recommended that U.S. bishops adopt a uniform pastoral approach for ministering to members of Rainbow Sash, a gay rights group, said Archbishop Harry J. Flynn of St. Paul-Minneapolis.

Archbishop Flynn allows members wearing the sash to receive Communion, while some other bishops do not.

In a Jan. 26 statement, Archbishop Flynn said he met in mid-December with Cardinal Francis Arinze, head of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments, to discuss “the difficult pastoral situation” of Rainbow Sash.

Cardinal Arinze “did not in fact suggest an immediate change to the policy in the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis,” Archbishop Flynn said in his statement.

“However, he did clearly indicate that this situation merits further study and that ideally all of the bishops who have pastoral care for the members of this movement should seek to adopt a uniform approach,” the statement said. “This recommendation needs to be reviewed by those bishops involved in the near future.”

Archbishop Flynn said he was issuing the statement to clarify remarks he made in an interview with Catholic News Service in December.

In the December CNS interview, Archbishop Flynn said it was recognized that U.S. bishops have come to different conclusions about how to respond to Rainbow Sash members who present themselves for Communion, but he said he got no sense that the Vatican was pushing for a single policy on this.

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0500509.htm
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Nice… I think we can assume the letter is real after all!!

Subtle how he’s phrasing things now, isn’t it? Now he’s saying both that Cardinal Arinze did not tell him to make an “immediate” change in his policy, and also that Arinze “indicat[ed]” that there should be a uniform policy in place by the US Bishops.

Funny – here’s what he said back on December 14th –

“Archbishop Flynn said it was recognized that U.S. bishops have come to different conclusions about how to respond to Rainbow Sash members who present themselves for Communion, but he said he got no sense that the Vatican was pushing for a single policy on this.”

(See the original CNS article from December 14th at catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0406824.htm )

Nice way to “clarify” your past comments about your meeting with the good Cardinal, Archbishop, now what are we supposed to think? There is no indication in this article that this is “new” information. If it is not new information, then that means you were either withholding (or “interpreting”) information, or you were flat out lying. I’m going to choose to assume that you recieved new information, similar to that letter that Mrs. Kralis has released.

Oh yes – and this article might also be of interest to people. This is not the first time Kralis and Flynn have sparred – but this time, it’s interesting that there was no refutation by Flynn, but only a “clarification.” catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0405310.htm

Keep digging that hole, Archbishop… keep digging that hole.

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The Vatican’s top liturgy official said Rainbow Sash wearers disqualify themselves from receiving Holy Communion because they are demonstrating their opposition to church teaching on homosexuality.

Cardinal Francis Arinze, head of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments, made the comment in a written response to Catholic News Service in early February.

Rainbow Sash, which describes itself as an organization of gay and lesbian Catholics and their families and friends, has criticized church statements on homosexuality, including the church’s teaching that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered” and that homosexual orientation is “objectively disordered.”

To underline their point, the group’s members sometimes attend Mass and receive Communion wearing the sash.

Cardinal Arinze discussed the issue with at least one U.S. archbishop during U.S. bishops’ visits to the Vatican in 2004. A Catholic Web site recently reported that in a private communication, Cardinal Arinze’s secretary said the cardinal thought sash wearers should not receive Communion.

Asked about his position by CNS, Cardinal Arinze said: “Rainbow Sash wearers are showing their opposition to church teaching on a major issue of natural law and so disqualify themselves from being given holy Communion.”

Cardinal Arinze did not elaborate, and he declined a request for an interview on the subject.

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0500678.htm
 
Asked about his position by CNS, Cardinal Arinze said: “Rainbow Sash wearers are showing their opposition to church teaching on a major issue of natural law and so disqualify themselves from being given holy Communion.”
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:amen:

I wonder if this means that Archbishop Harry Flynn will now be denying Sash wearers Communion in the St. Paul Cathedral at this year’s Pentecost Sunday Mass??? Certainly remains to be seen, but at least Flynn now has some pressure from on high to act in such manner. In any rate I am hopeful.:yup:

One good thing for the archbishop is that he can now pass the buck to the Vatican(and Cardinal) for not giving them Communion, and that he had nothing to do with the final decision. Thus sparing himself from any blame from the Rainbow Sashers or their liberal supporters. We shall see.
 
Since the people wearing the “rainbow sash” are deeply and proudly rebelling against a teaching of the church, I do not think they should receive communion :nope: . I would pray that being excluded from communion makes them think about the distance they put in their relationship with the Lord with their actions and choose to come back home to the church in full union with her teachings.:gopray:
 
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ThornGenX:
Since the people wearing the “rainbow sash” are deeply and proudly rebelling against a teaching of the church, I do not think they should receive communion :nope: . I would pray that being excluded from communion makes them think about the distance they put in their relationship with the Lord with their actions and choose to come back home to the church in full union with her teachings.:gopray:
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I would add on to that, Lord forgive them, they no not what they do.

Padre Pio “The Rosary is the weapon.”
 
I wonder if this means that Archbishop Harry Flynn will now be denying Sash wearers Communion in the St. Paul Cathedral at this year’s Pentecost Sunday Mass??? Certainly remains to be seen, but at least Flynn now has some pressure from on high to act in such manner. In any rate I am hopeful.:yup:

One good thing for the archbishop is that he can now pass the buck to the Vatican(and Cardinal) for not giving them Communion, and that he had nothing to do with the final decision. Thus sparing himself from any blame from the Rainbow Sashers or their liberal supporters. We shall see.
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It’s indeed going be interesting to watch good ole Bishop Harry try and spin his wheels on this one. I think the blogger deserves a hearty round of applause for checking it out.
 
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