Foca Abortion And The Bishops Same Story Same Spin

[elts1956]

First we have Bishops such as Malooley of DE and Neideraur of CA stating they cannot protect the Eucharist from sacrilege from the Bidens and Pelosi’s of America, we now have George of Chicago stating the wording of FOCA and individual cases would have to be studied to determine whether excommunication of certain politicians would be a just measure for their upholding and voting for FOCA.

So now is it the accepted teaching of the Church that all sin is subjective and can be determined by our frail subjective consciences?

Where will this end?

In the first place, we have Bishop George stating the evilness of abortion:

insidecatholic.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Cardinal-George-Warns-Catholic-Members-of-Congress-About-FOCA.html&Itemid=127

cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=39553

And then stating this:
catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=30517

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I think this NON STAND of some of our Bishops is about as scary as it can get.

 

[RobHom]

Myself, I’m taking a “wait and see” position. I don’t really see the Bishops abdicating anything, rather that they are taking a considered approach.

I cannot help but wonder if there is another game afoot. And it will be fought on a political level…

Consider this: If FOCA is all that everyone believes, to include forcing all Doctors and Nurses to participate or make it so they cannot refuse to participate, also forcing all hospitals regardless of who they are to allow abortions…I think you will see things happen very much differently than they are now.

I can see that there will be monumental lawsuits run and challenges to to the constitutionality of the law. If FOCA is all they say it is, then for a Doctor…to be forced or compelled to commit abortions against his will or morals, then he or she is being forced to violate the Hyppocratic Oath.

How can anyone in their right mind actually begin to believe that they can force hospitals that belong to “religious orders and organizations” that believe in the sanctity of live to violate the tenets of their faith?

If you think about it…its quite possible that the signing of FOCA may stop abortions to a great extent. Think about it.

 

[Ignatius]

If FOCA is all they say it is, then for a Doctor…to be forced or compelled to commit abortions against his will or morals, then he or she is being forced to violate the Hyppocratic Oath.

They stopped taking the Hippocratic Oath 30 years ago or more.

 

[elts1956]

What I am worried about, even above the political landscape here in the U.S, is the spiritual state of the Catholic Church. How can we worry about politics when the life of Mother Church here in the U.S. is at stake?

If the majority of Bishops refuse to come out and make definite statements about the reception of Communion by those politicians “known” to support abortion, or those voting for FOCA, I think Mother Church is in a very weakened state. This avoidance in leading the Church resulted in 54% of those calling themselves Catholic voting for bo.

Those good Bishops who have given definite ramifications for those politicians who vote for abortion laws are few and far in between. It is my understanding that at the USCCB conference in Nov. in Boston, these good men were outmaneuvered in being elected to postions of leadership in the body of Bishops.

Bishops such as Finn, Chaput, Hermann, Martino and others who took strong stances at the conference regarding pro abort Catholic politicians were (purposely?) overlooked when appointments to such positions as Social Justice were voted on.

In other words there are more weak Bishops than strong when it comes to such matters as having definite anti abortion commitment and giving forceful statements on FOCA and other pro life issues.

No wonder Catholics are confused.

 

[elts1956]

Myself, I’m taking a “wait and see” position. I don’t really see the Bishops abdicating anything, rather that they are taking a considered approach.

I cannot help but wonder if there is another game afoot. And it will be fought on a political level…

Consider this: If FOCA is all that everyone believes, to include forcing all Doctors and Nurses to participate or make it so they cannot refuse to participate, also forcing all hospitals regardless of who they are to allow abortions…I think you will see things happen very much differently than they are now.

I can see that there will be monumental lawsuits run and challenges to to the constitutionality of the law. If FOCA is all they say it is, then for a Doctor…to be forced or compelled to commit abortions against his will or morals, then he or she is being forced to violate the Hyppocratic Oath.

How can anyone in their right mind actually begin to believe that they can force hospitals that belong to “religious orders and organizations” that believe in the sanctity of live to violate the tenets of their faith?
If you think about it…its quite possible that the signing of FOCA may stop abortions to a great extent. Think about it.

There has been at least one instance, I know of, of this happening in Australia. Rather than give in to the government and perform abortions, the Catholic hospital closed its doors. The U. S. as we have known it, is no more.

 

[Ridgerunner]

How can anyone in their right mind actually begin to believe that they can force hospitals that belong to “religious orders and organizations” that believe in the sanctity of live to violate the tenets of their faith?

If you think about it…its quite possible that the signing of FOCA may stop abortions to a great extent. Think about it.

How can anyone in his right mind actually believe that Catholic adoption agencies can be forced to place children with homosexual “couples”? Yet it has happened.

It has to be recognized that most “Catholic” hospitals are now essentially secular institutions anyway, just as most “Catholic” universities are secular.

Saying that FOCA may stop abortions is like those old tobacco company ads claiming that smoking prevents lung cancer.

 

[Ridgerunner]

What I am worried about, even above the political landscape here in the U.S, is the spiritual state of the Catholic Church. How can we worry about politics when the life of Mother Church here in the U.S. is at stake?

If the majority of Bishops refuse to come out and make definite statements about the reception of Communion by those politicians “known” to support abortion, or those voting for FOCA, I think Mother Church is in a very weakened state. This avoidance in leading the Church resulted in 54% of those calling themselves Catholic voting for bo.

Those good Bishops who have given definite ramifications for those politicians who vote for abortion laws are few and far in between. It is my understanding that at the USCCB conference in Nov. in Boston, these good men were outmaneuvered in being elected to postions of leadership in the body of Bishops.

Bishops such as Finn, Chaput, Hermann, Martino and others who took strong stances at the conference regarding pro abort Catholic politicians were (purposely?) overlooked when appointments to such positions as Social Justice were voted on.

In other words there are more weak Bishops than strong when it comes to such matters as having definite anti abortion commitment and giving forceful statements on FOCA and other pro life issues.

No wonder Catholics are confused.

There is still plenty of rot in the USCCB. The “abuse” scandals were a symptom, not the disease itself. While I believe Pope Benedict has begun the healing process, the disease is nowhere near being cured.