Follow-Up to Wife in Ongoing Affair

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Two reasons; 1) she doesn’t get along with my family all that well and, 2) she has benefited from the breaks. In fairness it probably looks like she is not doing much now. But she did home-school all of our kids to a point, and she has made great sacrifices for the family. However, physical and emotional conditions have taken a serious toll on her body and her mind. She does not function anywhere near what she used to. VERY HARD to watch that happen to her. I am convinced that, to a large extent, the affair was a form of “medication” for some of the difficulties she has been experiencing.
This is very likely. That doesn’t excuse it, but it is quite likely.

Perhaps, now that the children are all in school, part of your agreement could be her getting a job. I am NOT putting down stay at home moms–I want to be one with every fiber of my being. But in your circumstance, it would keep her occupied and away from the home. Just something to consider.
 
What is she willing to do to repair the damage she has done?
It’s one thing to say “sorry.” It’s quite another to actually do the work of it.
 
I have been pushing for Retrauvaille and counseling for years. Long before the affair. And I would absolutely love for us to work with Greg Popcak. That is my fantasy!
I am very sorry to hear that she won’t go to Retrouvaille or counseling. That is not a good sign. Maybe you have more leverage to push for Retrouvaille or counseling now, if she is scared that you will leave? Or maybe not – just a thought.

You could try talking to a counselor by yourself if she won’t go. That might be a big help to you on how best to deal with this whole situation.

I will pray for you and your wife.
 
She is only remorseful when she is caught and pinned - when she thinks you might kick her out or take some other action. The 2 times she has started up again should have shown you that she is not sincerely remorseful, only sorry that she got caught. If she were truly wanting to change, she would ask you to move the family away from her temptation. You see, YOU are the reason she cuts it off, not because she cares about you, but because you have caught her with her hand in the cookie jar. Not because she recognizes that what she is doing is wrong. She may be as sincere as anything, but not really MEAN IT, if you know what I mean.
This. I was 100% on board with my laptop going in the trash. I was and still am totally on board with her password protecting brand new tablets she bought. I don’t want the temptation.
 
Reality might work. I say kick her out and remain separated for as long as it takes for a true change to occur. You’ll know when it happens. Her darkness needs to be brought into the light so it will lose its power over her.
I have to concur. It was the only thing that worked for me. Eternally grateful for it.
 
Two reasons; 1) she doesn’t get along with my family all that well and, 2) she has benefited from the breaks. In fairness it probably looks like she is not doing much now. But she did home-school all of our kids to a point, and she has made great sacrifices for the family. However, physical and emotional conditions have taken a serious toll on her body and her mind. She does not function anywhere near what she used to. VERY HARD to watch that happen to her. I am convinced that, to a large extent, the affair was a form of “medication” for some of the difficulties she has been experiencing.
Oh, yeah, she HAS benefited from being on her own…More time to CHEAT ON YOU!!!

:eek::mad: Seriously man, I want to clap YOU upside your head now!

Don’t excuse her by saying she’s had it tough. So have I, and NEVER ONCE did I consider cheating on my husband! Come on, really? I don’t care what she’s been through, these are 2 completely unrelated things!

What she is showing is a serious lack of CHARACTER. If she’s got emotional problems, it’s up to her to go and get some counseling, find a hobby, make some friends, etc.

NOT CHEAT ON HER HUSBAND.

:banghead::nope:
 
Perhaps you could read your post as third person observer if possible and see the sense that
things are caught on a surveillance camera. This is truly at rock bottome then. I won’t even ask how a surveillance camera got into the picture but the fact that it is speaks VOLUMES to the lack of trust in your relationship. She has breached that trust; she has expressed her love for him.

Let him have her if he’d like a woman who cheats on her spouse in emotional mannersl.
She doesn’t get along with your family either? Hmmm things don’t sound remotely repairable except by some Grace of God and perhaps the best way to bring that about is to just ask her to leaave for 6 months period.

It’s time to ask her to leave in my opinion.

I’m so sorry for the pain she’s put her through.
Just my opinion; the priest has been involved and she doesn’t change; maybe sadly she wants to move on herself.
Mary.
 
I didn’t see your original post, and have only glanced through the comments here, so I apologise if my comments miss the mark.

First of all, I myself am the victim of an affair, which I watched progress from my wife spending more and more time with this “friend”, to the relationship becoming sexual, to her ending our marriage and re-marrying the other man. So, I can understand the drawn out pain and difficulting in knowing how to proceed.

Secondly, I will keep you and your family in my prayers.

My observations:

It seems to me that you have done everything right so far. You have confronted your wife calmly and presented her with choices.

You may not sense this yourself, but you are in a more fortunate position than many, if not most, victims of affairs, in that your wife has actually, when confronted, decided to return to you and break off the other relationship. Although her resolutions were not kept, she has been much more loyal to you than many straying wives, who, when confronted, put the “other” relationship first, and keep their options open to divorce their husband, and keep the children, the house, and the boyfriend. My ex-wife was utterly ruthless over the two years that this went on for us, never once admitting any fault, or responding to any attempts to save our marriage.

It seems to me that there is a real desire in your wife to keep her marriage and family, and my recommendation is that you hold onto this, and make the most of it, however flawed it may have been in the past.

For victims of extra-marital affairs I always recommend James Dobson’s book * Love Must Be Tough*, as the most insightful and pragmatic discussion of the affairs and the available options. However, it seems to me that in your approach so far you have followed the path Dobson would advise, namely to be tough in yourself, and to give your spouse freedom, but not licence.

Part of Dobson’s advice:
The standard approach to marriage counselling is to teach husbands and wives how to revitalize unhealthy relationships and help them work through their conflicts. Unfortunately, such advice assumes that both parties are equally motivated to work on their problems. That is rarely the case.
Typically, when a marriage is unravelling, there is one partner who is less concerned about the prospect of divorce, while the other is terrified by it. At its worse, as in cases of infidelity, the drifting member often has little desire to engage in counselling, except perhaps as a pretense to lessen guilt or criticism.
He or she may have decided already that the relationship is over. It has been my observation that the way the committed partner responds at that vital juncture will determine whether the marriage will survive or succumb.
(BTW: this was nearly twenty years ago for me; my wife’s second marriage lasted 12 years, before she moved on again; and the consequences of divorce in my life, and the children’s lives, have been ongoing and highly destructive.)
 
I would like to share with you a resource that I found very helpful when I was dealing with my own spouses infidelity. www.survivinginfidelity.com
If you will click on Healing Library on the left side of the page, and then Articles at the top of that page you will find many useful articles detailing how exactly to handle this betrayal and possibly save your marriage. The site also offers a forum. Without the information this site provided I would not have know how to proceed. I wonder if my marriage could have been saved without what I learned there. I felt so strongly about sharing this with you that I threw off my official lurker status to register and post here.
So that you know it is possible, it is now three years since my spouse broke off the affair and our marriage is stronger then it ever was. Healing is possible. Trust can be restored. You must be strong and firm however. I will be praying for you and your whole family.
 
So how many years has her mental health gone unchecked? It sounds like she needed counseling like last decade.
Very very good question. She has been diagnosed with depression. In fact she was tampering with lowering her dosage a year ago when the affair began. So I can see how this “friendship” with him became what it has. The good feelings she was experiencing were literally taking the place of the medication she needed.

Other than that, I believe there is a destinct possibility that she has a personality disorder. I have spent many years studying and trying to understand her condition and how to be in a relationship with someone with such a condition. Relationships involving personality disorders are very complicated. Interestingly, affairs are sympomatic of people with this particular disorder.
 
Very very good question. She has been diagnosed with depression. In fact she was tampering with lowering her dosage a year ago when the affair began. So I can see how this “friendship” with him became what it has. The good feelings she was experiencing were literally taking the place of the medication she needed. Other than that, I believe there is a destinct possibility that she has a personality disorder. I have spent many years studying and trying to understand her condition and how to be in a relationship with someone with such a condition. Relationships involving personality disorders are very complicated. Interestingly, affairs are sympomatic of people with this particular disorder.
I always suspected a ‘disorder’ or a ‘condition’ in my first marriage, too. Never confirmed. Still there.

I feel deeply for you, man. I will pray and pray and pray some more that you & the kids will find peace and resolution to this evil situation. After I calm down I will pray for your ‘wife’ and farmer Ted, too.
 
Very very good question. She has been diagnosed with depression. In fact she was tampering with lowering her dosage a year ago when the affair began. So I can see how this “friendship” with him became what it has. The good feelings she was experiencing were literally taking the place of the medication she needed.

Other than that, I believe there is a destinct possibility that she has a personality disorder. I have spent many years studying and trying to understand her condition and how to be in a relationship with someone with such a condition. Relationships involving personality disorders are very complicated. Interestingly, affairs are sympomatic of people with this particular disorder.
That’s all well and good. But understanding some condition she has doesn’t change what she’s doing. She still has the choice NOT to cheat on you. And if she has had this personality disorder for a long time, as you seem to be suggesting, then her prognosis is even more grim. Please don’t waste your whole life trying to “understand” her out of her problems. If she will not stop what she is doing for good, then have some self-esteem and believe that you and your kids deserve better than always reaching out for more from someone who cannot give back.
 
After I calm down I will pray for your ‘wife’ and farmer Ted, too.
Cool. Made me chuckle. I pray for Farmer Ted too. I like to pray the rosary when jog. I used to jog past his place and wherever I was in the prayer (usually the 3rd decad) I offered for him.
 
Cool. Made me chuckle. I pray for Farmer Ted too. I like to pray the rosary when jog. I used to jog past his place and wherever I was in the prayer (usually the 3rd decad) I offered for him.
As I said somewhere on your first thread…

The graces you will gain and are gaining by doing this are immense! You will come out of this on the other side someday my friend, and you will be better for having gone through it with grace & dignity. Just try to stop making excuses for her.
 
In fairness it probably looks like she is not doing much now. But she did home-school all of our kids to a point, and she has made great sacrifices for the family. However, physical and emotional conditions have taken a serious toll on her body and her mind. She does not function anywhere near what she used to. VERY HARD to watch that happen to her. I am convinced that, to a large extent, the affair was a form of “medication” for some of the difficulties she has been experiencing.
Then don’t kick her out, it won’t solve anything and won’t make anyone happier. Give her another chance and try somehow to behave like you were when she fell in love wih you. I think she’s very tired, confused and lonely, maybe she’s more afraid of you than trustful and the worst solution is to be either kicked out or constantly pushed to seek counseling, Retrouvailles, to have talks with you in front of the priest, to have other people to interfere and patronize her and telling her what to do and how to behave. An affair can be really draining and humiliating for a woman who has a long history of being “the responsible wife, mother and Catholic”. Because she unconsciously seeks a bit of relaxation, freedom, perhaps a little bit of her youth too, only to find something even more tiring - this affair with its false sense of freedom. So I don’t think she is insincere when she says she’s interested in your relationship again. There’s perhaps a question that she doesn’t even dare to ask herself: what is the most oppressive for her, the affair or the marriage? where “oppressive” would be the equivalent of having to climb the same mountain over and over again while severely sleep deprived.
 
Then don’t kick her out, it won’t solve anything and won’t make anyone happier. Give her another chance and try somehow to behave like you were when she fell in love wih you. I think she’s very tired, confused and lonely, maybe she’s more afraid of you than trustful and the worst solution is to be either kicked out or constantly pushed to seek counseling, Retrouvailles, to have talks with you in front of the priest, to have other people to interfere and patronize her and telling her what to do and how to behave. An affair can be really draining and humiliating for a woman who has a long history of being “the responsible wife, mother and Catholic”. Because she unconsciously seeks a bit of relaxation, freedom, perhaps a little bit of her youth too, only to find something even more tiring - this affair with its false sense of freedom. So I don’t think she is insincere when she says she’s interested in your relationship again. There’s perhaps a question that she doesn’t even dare to ask herself: what is the most oppressive for her, the affair or the marriage? where “oppressive” would be the equivalent of having to climb the same mountain over and over again while severely sleep deprived.
Wrong.

Try typing this all over again but substitute ‘man’, ‘father’ & ‘husband’ for ‘woman’, ‘wife’ & ‘mother’. See? Doesn’t really jive does it? Wrong is wrong. Sin is sin. Marriage is marriage. There are no excuses for cheating. None. Crash landed on a desert island with a member of the opposite sex? Too bad! No excuse for it. We’re all sleep deprived. We’re all tired. We all want relaxation, freedom, a little youth, etc…Doesn’t give anyone the excuse or right to rob THE REST OF THE FAMILY of sleep, peace, freedom, the family name, serenity, security, etc…
 
She is only remorseful when she is caught and pinned - when she thinks you might kick her out or take some other action. The 2 times she has started up again should have shown you that she is not sincerely remorseful, only sorry that she got caught. If she were truly wanting to change, she would ask you to move the family away from her temptation. You see, YOU are the reason she cuts it off, not because she cares about you, but because you have caught her with her hand in the cookie jar. Not because she recognizes that what she is doing is wrong. She may be as sincere as anything, but not really MEAN IT, if you know what I mean.

Frankly, I would not give her another chance. I would ask her to leave the home, and I would file separation papers. I would counsel with my priest, and “out” her about the adultery. If someone wants to play with fire, they are going to get burned. The only way I would take an adulterous spouse back is if THEY initiated a change - through therapy, etc. and it would take a lot of time apart to even start to build back the trust.

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We’re all sleep deprived. We’re all tired. We all want relaxation, freedom, a little youth, etc…
Well, not really. Some people are weaker, some are stronger. Some are depressed and medicated for depression, some are perfectly healthy and proud of their health. This doesn’t imply that some are more guilty and others should be excused; this only implies different paths and different solutions for different families. It’s one thing to decree “sin” and another thing to understand its mechanism. The OP didn’t open the thread to find out whether an affair is a sin, but to understand how to get out his wife from that sin and to find the best solution for his family.
 
Well, not really. Some people are weaker, some are stronger. Some are depressed and medicated for depression, some are perfectly healthy and proud of their health. This doesn’t imply that some are more guilty and others should be excused; this only implies different paths and different solutions for different families. It’s one thing to decree “sin” and another thing to understand its mechanism. The OP didn’t open the thread to find out whether an affair is a sin, but to understand how to get out his wife from that sin and to find the best solution for his family.
Yup.

And the OP is still in a very strange surreal place right now. So lending any sort of credence to her behavior is not helping. He already is facing an uphill battle, compounded by the fact that she is:

-Unrepentant
-virtually alone…only a mile away from her ‘friend’ most of the day while OP is at work an hour away.
-Unrepentant
-Unrepentant

Like I said (or was trying to point out anyway)
You are a woman and if OP was a woman whose husband was cheating so blatantly I doubt you’d offer the same advice. I see this double standard a lot and I’m going to question it every time.

I’m all for her getting proper medical help though…
Unfortuneately the people who need it the most want it the least.
 
Might I just add that your (name removed by moderator)ut and advice on a recent thread dealing with a workplace crush was spot-on and contained no such disparity.
 
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