Footwashing, the Priesthood and the Eucharist

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Once again. This document does not have the force of law. It was a private response and left the final decision and action to the local ordinary.
Just remember, the Pharasis were very much entrinched in the rule of law. As such they became oppressive, even to the point of the crucifiction of Christ.
As I have tried to express, look beyond the law to the meaning of the action. Looking at John 13 “he began to wash his disiples’ feet”. It Doesn’t say aposltes and we know many were his desiples including women. It is the message that we must serve each other as Jesus served us. Should this action only apply to men, or the clergy? Certainly not. It is to apply to everyone, men, women, children included.

Peace,
FAB
FAB,
You might say that Paschale Somemnitatis doesn’t have the force of law, but the Church says otherwise. The CDWS has every authority to issue binding interpretations of liturgical law, and even to issue binding liturgical laws (subject to the pope himself of course). On the other hand, an article from a newletter (which is often cited in support of expanding this rite) has no force of law.
  1. With these points in mind, the Congregation for Divine Worship, after due consideration, thinks that it is a fitting moment to recall certain elements, doctrinal and pastoral, and various norms that have already been published concerning Holy Week. All those details that are given in the liturgical books concerning Lent, Holy Week, the Easter Triduum, and Paschal time retain their full force, unless otherwise stated in this document.
It was not at all a “private response” it is a circular letter published by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. By definition, a circular letter is not a private response.

At no point does this circular letter say that the final decision is to be made by the local bishop. It simply does not say that. What it does say is quite the opposite, that the rubrics of the Roman Missal are to be followed. If you can tell us where P.S. says that it’s left up to the local bishop, I (and others) will concede that point. Please cite the paragraph number from the document to support what you claim.
 
FAB,
You might say that Paschale Somemnitatis doesn’t have the force of law, but the Church says otherwise. The CDWS has every authority to issue binding interpretations of liturgical law, and even to issue binding liturgical laws (subject to the pope himself of course). On the other hand, an article from a newletter (which is often cited in support of expanding this rite) has no force of law.
  1. With these points in mind, the Congregation for Divine Worship, after due consideration, thinks that it is a fitting moment to recall certain elements, doctrinal and pastoral, and various norms that have already been published concerning Holy Week. All those details that are given in the liturgical books concerning Lent, Holy Week, the Easter Triduum, and Paschal time retain their full force, unless otherwise stated in this document.
It was not at all a “private response” it is a circular letter published by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. By definition, a circular letter is not a private response.

At no point does this circular letter say that the final decision is to be made by the local bishop. It simply does not say that. What it does say is quite the opposite, that the rubrics of the Roman Missal are to be followed. If you can tell us where P.S. says that it’s left up to the local bishop, I (and others) will concede that point. Please cite the paragraph number from the document to support what you claim.
The Link that has been posted for Paschale Somemnitatis shows it to be an answer to a private request for clarification. Since the person to whom it was a response as well as the # are blackened out, it leads one to believe that this was not an official document. Additionally, any search of this document on the Vatican web site is fruitless.

Since the directive I reviewed in planning this year’s Holy Thursday celebration, from my ordinary, specifically allowed the washing of the feet of women and children per the 1987 newsletter. Since he is on all other issues of the liturgy particullarly vigorous in his inforcement, so I wouldn’t call him a progressive, I will stand by what I indicated, this has become a matter of local custom, wheather that is defined by diocese or county and is in effect accordenly.

Peace,
FAB
 
The Link that has been posted for Paschale Somemnitatis shows it to be an answer to a private request for clarification. Since the person to whom it was a response as well as the # are blackened out, it leads one to believe that this was not an official document. Additionally, any search of this document on the Vatican web site is fruitless.

Since the directive I reviewed in planning this year’s Holy Thursday celebration, from my ordinary, specifically allowed the washing of the feet of women and children per the 1987 newsletter. Since he is on all other issues of the liturgy particullarly vigorous in his inforcement, so I wouldn’t call him a progressive, I will stand by what I indicated, this has become a matter of local custom, wheather that is defined by diocese or county and is in effect accordenly.

Peace,
FAB
Then unfortunately, the information you were given wasn’t accurate. Here’s a link to the circular letter:
adoremus.org/PaschaleSolemnitatis.html

The decisions and directives of the Holy See are binding. When something is happening to the contrary of what the Holy See requires, it’s not “in effect.”
 
Then unfortunately, the information you were given wasn’t accurate. Here’s a link to the circular letter:
adoremus.org/PaschaleSolemnitatis.html

The decisions and directives of the Holy See are binding. When something is happening to the contrary of what the Holy See requires, it’s not “in effect.”
I appriciate your direction and let me turn your attention to this paragraph
  1. According to the differing circumstances of places and peoples, there are found a number of **popular practices **linked to celebrations of the Easter season, which in some instances attract greater numbers of the people than the sacred liturgy itself. These practices are not in any way to be undervalued, for they are often well adapted to the religious mentality of the faithful. Let episcopal conferences and local ordinaries, therefore, see to it that practices of this kind, which seem to nourish popular piety, be harmonized in the best way possible with the sacred liturgy, be imbued more distinctly with the spirit of the liturgy, be in some way derived from it, and lead the people to it.
So I stand by what I indicated.

Peace,
FAB
 
I appriciate your direction and let me turn your attention to this paragraph

So I stand by what I indicated.

Peace,
FAB
Actually, this section refers to popular practices such as the Stations of the Cross, deovtions to Our Lady of Sorrows, Passion Plays and other devotionals and not to the rituals associated with Triduum. Popular piety and ritual are two different things. With all due respect, you are reading this passage in a vaccuum and not looking at it as a whole.
 
I appriciate your direction and let me turn your attention to this paragraph

So I stand by what I indicated.

Peace,
FAB
FAB,
You’re using a quote that speaks about things *other than the Liturgy *and trying to make it refer to the Liturgy. “practices…which in some instances attract greater numbers of the people than the sacred liturgy itself”

I’m afraid that there is simply no reasonable way to justify this practice of expanding the Apostles to include women. It simply can’t be done, at least not in any sincere way.

Rome has made it clear that only “select men” are to be the Apostles. Although that should settle the matter, unfortunately it hasn’t.
 
It won’t be settled as long as this is on the USCCB site in regard to the issue, please note the section about tradition, corresponds to by first post today.
My parish liturgy committee has decided to allow both men and women to take part in the washing of the feet at the liturgy on Holy Thursday. I have always heard that only men may have their feet washed. Which does the Church allow?
The rubric for Holy Thursday, under the title WASHING OF FEET, reads:
“Depending on pastoral circumstance, the washing of feet follows the homily. The men who have been chosen (viri selecti) are led by the ministers to chairs prepared at a suitable place. Then the priest (removing his chasuble if necessary) goes to each man. With the help of the ministers he pours water over each one’s feet and dries them.”
Regarding the phrase viri selecti, the Chairman of the Bishops Committee on the Liturgy, after a review of the matter by the committee, authorized the following response which appeared in the BCL Newsletter of February 1987:
Question: What is the significance of the Holy Thursday foot washing rite?
Response:
The Lord Jesus washed the feet of his disciples at the Last Supper as a sign of the new commandment that Christians should love one another: “Such as my love has been for you, so must your love be for each other. This is how all will know you for my disciples: by your love for one another” (see John 13, 34-35). For centuries the Church has imitated the Lord through the ritual enactment of the new commandment of Jesus Christ in the washing of feet on Holy Thursday.
Although the practice had fallen into disuse for a long time in parish celebrations, it was restored in 1955 by Pope Pius XII as a part of the general reform of Holy Week. At that time the traditional significance of the rite of foot washing was stated by the Sacred Congregation of Rites in the following words: "Where the washing of feet, to show the Lord’s commandment about fraternal charity, is performed in a Church according to the rubrics of the restored Ordo of Holy Week, the faithful should be instructed on the profound meaning of this sacred rite and should be taught that it is only proper that they should abound in works of Christian charity on this day."1
The principal and traditional meaning of the Holy Thursday mandatum, as underscored by the decree of the Congregation, is the biblical injunction of Christian charity: Christ’s disciples are to love one another. For this reason, the priest who presides at the Holy Thursday liturgy portrays the biblical scene of the gospel by washing the feet of some of the faithful.
Because the gospel of the mandatum read on Holy Thursday also depicts Jesus as the “Teacher and Lord” who humbly serves his disciples by performing this extraordinary gesture which goes beyond the laws of hospitality,2 the element of humble service has accentuated the celebration of the foot washing rite in the United States over the last decade or more. In this regard, it has become customary in many places to invite both men and women to be participants in this rite in recognition of the service that should be given by all the faithful to the Church and to the world. Thus, in the United States, a variation in the rite developed in which not only charity is signified but also humble service.
While this variation may differ from the rubric of the Sacramentary which mentions only men (“viri selecti”), it may nevertheless be said that the intention to emphasize service along with charity in the celebration of the rite is an understandable way of accentuating the evangelical command of the Lord, “who came to serve and not to be served,” that all members of the Church must serve one another in love.
The liturgy is always an act of ecclesial unity and Christian charity, of which the Holy Thursday foot washing rite is an eminent sign. All should obey the Lord’s new commandment to love one another with an abundance of love, especially at this most sacred time of the liturgical year when the Lord’s passion, death, and resurrection are remembered and celebrated in the powerful rites of the Triduum.3
Peace,
FAB
PS this note was on the bottom
This is the latest statement of this Secretariat on the question. No subsequent legislation or instructions have necessitated a modification in the statement.
 
It won’t be settled as long as this is on the USCCB site in regard to the issue, please note the section about tradition, corresponds to by first post today.

Peace,
FAB
PS this note was on the bottom
Unfortunately, you keep trying to say that a committee newsletter should be given more deference than the clear liturgical instructions which have been given to the Church by the Holy See. It just doesn’t work that way. All the cutting-and-pasting in the world won’t change this fact.

I must agree with you though that as long as the website contains the reprint of that article, there will continue to be much confusion (at least in the US) as to what the liturgical laws of the Church require.

Qui custodiet custodiens?
 
It just doesn’t work that way.
Well, actually, I think that’s the exact problem/concern here.

Instructions from the Curia (in this case the CDWDS) may or may not be legislative (i.e. law; legally binding on the faithful).

The same can be said for episcopal Conferences (see Sacrosanctum Concilium).

So…both the Roman Curia and Episcopal Conferences have the capacity to issue documents/teachings that are in fact legislative and therefore binding on the faithful.

But, obviously (to most of us anyway) this does not mean that EVERYTHING issued by the Roman Curia or an episcopal Conference is legislative (i.e. enjoying the faculty of promulgating law) and so is not necessarily binding on the faithful.

If anyone can help clarify this teaching of the Catholic Church and express it better than my lame attempts please do so.
 
Well, actually, I think that’s the exact problem/concern here.

Instructions from the Curia (in this case the CDWDS) may or may not be legislative (i.e. law; legally binding on the faithful).

The same can be said for episcopal Conferences (see Sacrosanctum Concilium).

So…both the Roman Curia and Episcopal Conferences have the capacity to issue documents/teachings that are in fact legislative and therefore binding on the faithful.

But, obviously (to most of us anyway) this does not mean that EVERYTHING issued by the Roman Curia or an episcopal Conference is legislative (i.e. enjoying the faculty of promulgating law) and so is not necessarily binding on the faithful.

If anyone can help clarify this teaching of the Catholic Church and express it better than my lame attempts please do so.
Digger,
I have been clarifying it in several posts.
  1. The document from the CDWS is a legally binding document. The Holy See is the source of liturgical laws (ie the approving/promulgating authority), and likewise has the legal authority to issue binding interpretations of that law. This is a given. This is how liturgical laws (and all Church laws) work. See canon 15 “Laws are authentically interpreted by the legislator and by the one to whom the legislator has granted the power to interpret them authentically.” This isn’t just my opinion. You can read the canon for yourself, and I know you are the kind of person to research this and so you probably will. Don’t take my word.
  2. The web page which we see referring to the expansion of this ritual has NO force of law, none whatsoever. The source of that “interpretation” is a committee newsletter. Not by any stretch of the imagination does a committee newsletter have any force of law. Only if such a thing actually quotes the law would it have any “force.” In this case, not only does it not quote the law, but it admits that what is being said is contrary to the law.
From your post: “both the Roman Curia and Episcopal Conferences have the capacity to issue documents/teachings that are in fact legislative and therefore binding on the faithful.”
  1. The difference is that the Roman Curia has the higher authority. Indeed the only authority which can overturn a decision of a Roman Curia is a higher authority within that curia or ultimately the pope himself. A bishop’s committee has no authority to overturn the CDWS.
  2. The webpage referenced is not a decision by the Episcopal Conference. That’s another point which I keep making, but that point keeps being missed on these posts. Let me say it again, the USCCB did NOT issue this “document” it is merely an article printed in a committee newsletter, nothing more. It is not an act of the Conference, it is not legislation passed by the conference. It has no force of law.
  3. Compare that authority (from #2, none) to the authority of the CDWS, and you have apples and oranges. The CDWS office which says that this cannot be done is the very office charged by the pope with issuing authoritative interpretations of liturgical law. That’s the very purpose of this office, to relieve the Holy Father from having to answer hundreds of inquiries every year personally. It is the very definition of what is described in canon 15.
  4. Liturgical laws issued by the bishops conferences must have the approval (recognitio) of the Holy See, and unless that happens, they are not legitimate laws (unless the Holy See has specifically given the conferences authority to act on their own without that approval). The USCCB has not proposed this matter as a law, and since no proposal was made, the Holy See most certainly did not approve it.
What’s being compared here is authentic, binding authority on the part of the CDWS but on the other hand, no authority whatsoever on the part of the committee newsletter. There is no way that such a comparison can be validly claimed. I truly wish people could see that.

Let me give an example. Let’s say that I go to the Oval Office and take from the President’s desk a sheet of letterhead. I write out an Executive Order, and sign my own name to it. Does that mean that this is a legal document? Of course not, because I don’t have the authority to issue an Executive Order. I can point to the letterhead all I want, and claim that this order is binding because it’s printed on Presidential letterhead, but we all know that would mean nothing. We see precisely the same thing with the newsletter article expanding this rite. Just because it’s on USCCB letterhead (or in this case a webpage) does not mean that the USCCB has passed this as a matter of liturgical law. I keep trying to make this point but it just isn’t getting across for some reason.
 
Digger,
I have been clarifying it in several posts.
  1. The document from the CDWS is a legally binding document. The Holy See is the source of liturgical laws (ie the approving/promulgating authority), and likewise has the legal authority to issue binding interpretations of that law. This is a given. This is how liturgical laws (and all Church laws) work. See canon 15 “Laws are authentically interpreted by the legislator and by the one to whom the legislator has granted the power to interpret them authentically.” This isn’t just my opinion. You can read the canon for yourself, and I know you are the kind of person to research this and so you probably will. Don’t take my word.
  2. The web page which we see referring to the expansion of this ritual has NO force of law, none whatsoever. The source of that “interpretation” is a committee newsletter. Not by any stretch of the imagination does a committee newsletter have any force of law. Only if such a thing actually quotes the law would it have any “force.” In this case, not only does it not quote the law, but it admits that what is being said is contrary to the law.
From your post: “both the Roman Curia and Episcopal Conferences have the capacity to issue documents/teachings that are in fact legislative and therefore binding on the faithful.”
  1. The difference is that the Roman Curia has the higher authority. Indeed the only authority which can overturn a decision of a Roman Curia is a higher authority within that curia or ultimately the pope himself. A bishop’s committee has no authority to overturn the CDWS.
  2. The webpage referenced is not a decision by the Episcopal Conference. That’s another point which I keep making, but that point keeps being missed on these posts. Let me say it again, the USCCB did NOT issue this “document” it is merely an article printed in a committee newsletter, nothing more. It is not an act of the Conference, it is not legislation passed by the conference. It has no force of law.
  3. Compare that authority (from #2, none) to the authority of the CDWS, and you have apples and oranges. The CDWS office which says that this cannot be done is the very office charged by the pope with issuing authoritative interpretations of liturgical law. That’s the very purpose of this office, to relieve the Holy Father from having to answer hundreds of inquiries every year personally. It is the very definition of what is described in canon 15.
  4. Liturgical laws issued by the bishops conferences must have the approval (recognitio) of the Holy See, and unless that happens, they are not legitimate laws (unless the Holy See has specifically given the conferences authority to act on their own without that approval). The USCCB has not proposed this matter as a law, and since no proposal was made, the Holy See most certainly did not approve it.
What’s being compared here is authentic, binding authority on the part of the CDWS but on the other hand, no authority whatsoever on the part of the committee newsletter. There is no way that such a comparison can be validly claimed. I truly wish people could see that.

Let me give an example. Let’s say that I go to the Oval Office and take from the President’s desk a sheet of letterhead. I write out an Executive Order, and sign my own name to it. Does that mean that this is a legal document? Of course not, because I don’t have the authority to issue an Executive Order. I can point to the letterhead all I want, and claim that this order is binding because it’s printed on Presidential letterhead, but we all know that would mean nothing. We see precisely the same thing with the newsletter article expanding this rite. Just because it’s on USCCB letterhead (or in this case a webpage) does not mean that the USCCB has passed this as a matter of liturgical law. I keep trying to make this point but it just isn’t getting across for some reason.
Thanks. I agree, except maybe for the part about the Curia having a higher authority, if that’s saying that always and everywhere and in every circumstance the Curia has a higher authority. I think that’s on a case by case basis, depending on how, exactly, a given Curial teaching was promulgated.

I’m not saying what’s on the USCCB web site is law (I don’t think I ever said that, sorry if I gave anyone that impression). My point is that it’s not accurate to simply say the Curia trumps the USCCB. The actual situation is more complex, as your post notes (I think). And, I think there’s a difference (though how significant is up for grabs perhaps) between “authentically interpreting” a law and issuing law.

Thanks, again, for the thorough and thoughtful response. I appreciate it.
 
Thanks. I agree, except maybe for the part about the Curia having a higher authority, if that’s saying that always and everywhere and in every circumstance the Curia has a higher authority. I think that’s on a case by case basis, depending on how, exactly, a given Curial teaching was promulgated.

I’m not saying what’s on the USCCB web site is law (I don’t think I ever said that, sorry if I gave anyone that impression). My point is that it’s not accurate to simply say the Curia trumps the USCCB. The actual situation is more complex, as your post notes (I think). And, I think there’s a difference (though how significant is up for grabs perhaps) between “authentically interpreting” a law and issuing law.

Thanks, again, for the thorough and thoughtful response. I appreciate it.
The Curia does trump the USCCB committee. The matter was not put to a vote before the Latin-Rite members of the USCCB so that it could be sent to Rome to receive the necessary recognitio from the Holy See. The USCCB Committee on Divine Worship could make a statement and a recommendation, but, without the recognitio from the Holy See, it does not mean anything.

The responses from the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments certainly do trump an opinion and a statement issued by the USCCB CDW, especially since the information that is repeatedly quoted is outdated and runs contrary to Paschale Solemnitatis, an authoritative document of the Holy See and statements made by the CDWDS that have protocol numbers and wind up appearing in Notitae.
 
The Curia does trump the USCCB committee. The matter was not put to a vote before the Latin-Rite members of the USCCB so that it could be sent to Rome to receive the necessary recognitio from the Holy See. The USCCB Committee on Divine Worship could make a statement and a recommendation, but, without the recognitio from the Holy See, it does not mean anything.

The responses from the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments certainly do trump an opinion and a statement issued by the USCCB CDW, especially since the information that is repeatedly quoted is outdated and runs contrary to Paschale Solemnitatis, an authoritative document of the Holy See and statements made by the CDWDS that have protocol numbers and wind up appearing in Notitae.
I was speaking in a broader context (please, read my post).

I was not at all referring to a USCCB committee.

And, believe it or not, I was not restricting or limiting my comments to the specifics of Paschale Solemnitatis. If you can perhaps consider my remarks apart from that document or Redemptionis Sacramentum, except when those documents are specifically relevant to what I am specifically saying in response to the specific post I’m responding to that might help.

So, if you want to discuss PS or RS let’s do it. But, please, when I respond to someone and don’t specifically refer to those documents I don’t see how it’s particularly relevant or helpful for you to keep harping on them.
 
Thanks. I agree, except maybe for the part about the Curia having a higher authority, if that’s saying that always and everywhere and in every circumstance the Curia has a higher authority. I think that’s on a case by case basis, depending on how, exactly, a given Curial teaching was promulgated.

I’m not saying what’s on the USCCB web site is law (I don’t think I ever said that, sorry if I gave anyone that impression). My point is that it’s not accurate to simply say the Curia trumps the USCCB. The actual situation is more complex, as your post notes (I think). And, I think there’s a difference (though how significant is up for grabs perhaps) between “authentically interpreting” a law and issuing law.

Thanks, again, for the thorough and thoughtful response. I appreciate it.
What I don’t understand is how you can say that the Congregation (which is part of the Curia–I used the wrong word earlier), in this case the CDWS does not have that authority, in light of canon 15 which says that it does have that authority?

And I do have to make the point again that we’re not discussing a decision of the USCCB. The decision to expand the rite was not made by the USCCB in the first place, so how does that principle even enter the discussion?
 
Well, now that we have all the angels dancing on the head of the pin, let’s start counting…

It is clear that whatever Cardinal O’Malley received has not been released to the unwashed masses - or even those who are washed and anointed. Thus we either call someone a liar, or we are stuck with an incident that would seem to call into question exactly how strictly Rome wants to make the issue. There is also that unpleasant little issue of a rule coming out of Rome and colliding with the recognition in Canon law concerning established customs.

The discussion is interesting, albeit over an issue that seems to generate more heat than necessary light. Rome seems to see fit to take a gentle swat at what amounts to a fly, and appears to have bigger issues to contend with than whether viri is going to be held to the literal construction and the synoptics followed, or John’s disciples and the issue of service will prevail. While we all can argue documents, chain of command, priority of law vs. practice, this issue is of hardly recent debate, and for all practical purposes seems to be one that Rome is not significantly interested in resolving. It is not as if the dicastery has no clue how widespread the practice of washing both female and male feet are.

Given that it is not all that difficult to draw a closer connection with the 12 apostles and the Holy Thursday liturgy than it is to a more diffuse (althought not tremendoulsy more diffuse) issue of service to all, it is certainly easy to draw line between the Synoptics, “viri”, directives from Rome publicly or semi publicly made and limiting the washing of feet to men only.

However, in charity and until shown otherwise, one would think that Rome would have at least a slight clue that giving O’Malley something other than an absolute “viri” est “viri”, et non est “hominem” (and in charity I will assume that is what he got - something “other”) would most definitely be taken as a less than absolutest stand on viri for other jurisdicitions which have notoriously done otherwise. To put it not too finely, I suspect Rome knows that word travels a bit fast around the US, and that whatever O’Malley received would not be “hidden under a basket”. In other words, it would seem that Rome has less at stake in supporting an absolute rule viz a viz viri than do those who wish to quote the more (much more) clear statement(s) concerning the matter.

The United States is well known for a general attitude tending towards absolutism (as well as a widely acknowledged practice to the contrary). Europe, on the other hand is well known to simply say "Yes, sir (Cardinal, bishop, etc.) and pretty much ignore whatever Rome says. In short, the pot boils more here than there. I am not sure that the pot even simmers there…

It is not hard to recognize that liturgical issues have not followed exactly according to the written rule, and for a very long tiime. Some of that is going to resolve itself in the next 20 years, all other things being equal (that is, status quo from Rome - as in, not much said) simply because the priests of the generations who have given us liturgical experimentation are going to retire, die or both, and we will have a much larger group of what has been called the “John Paul 2” priests. I would not call them more conservative, but rather less liberal than their predecessors. And so, in time, I suspect we will see a closer adherence to liturgical directions from Rome.

But then, again, there comes the issue of how long a practice can continue before it becomes a precedent (the mind of man - or woman - remebereth not…). In the meanwhile, depending on whether we favor viri or service, we all may have ample grist to grind in our teeth. Or craw…

Perhaps an analogy might suffice: The state makes it perfectly clear that there are speed laws; they are published for all to see. If it says 55, it means 55. Except, that the practice is that there is leeway; at least out here in Oregon, 55 probably means something like 64 or 65, and not 70. So the state has made it perfectly clear… that an absolute is not an absolute when any ordinary reader can see that it is. I suspect that our rather Germanic view of liturgical law is not necessarily the last and final word on the issue in a matter that a) is minor (we are not talking about leavened vs. unleavened bread) and is subject to two valid interpretations as to the symbolic meaning (and I would concede a priority of meaning). Note, I said issue, not law. The issue being whose feet get washed, not the law stating viri. Rome, as I last recalled, was Mediterranian, not Germanic in general tenor. A Germanic approach to law allows no leeway; a Mediterranian approach grants some leeway in some areas.
 
What I don’t understand is how you can say that the Congregation (which is part of the Curia–I used the wrong word earlier), in this case the CDWS does not have that authority, in light of canon 15 which says that it does have that authority?

And I do have to make the point again that we’re not discussing a decision of the USCCB. The decision to expand the rite was not made by the USCCB in the first place, so how does that principle even enter the discussion?
I think you mean Canon 16. I don’t see where that says that every statement of the CDWDS is an act of authentic interpretation as defined by Canon 16 and so has the force of law. That’s my point–it doesn’t claim that. One can’t simply say that because the CDWDS issued a given statement that therefore it’s law. It may or may not be.

At least, that’s the way I read it, for what it’s worth. (which may or may not be out to lunch)

And so, following that understanding, the fact that the USCCB can also exercise legislative authority, there exists the possibility concerning (hypothetical) Issue Number One that statement (a) from the CDWDS could be non-law and statement (b) from the USCCB could be legally binding. Where the statements differed, if they did, (b) would have the force of law and (a) would not.
 
Well, now that we have all the angels dancing on the head of the pin, let’s start counting… A Germanic approach to law allows no leeway; a Mediterranian approach grants some leeway in some areas.
Well put (all of it). Thanks.
 
I think you mean Canon 16. I don’t see where that says that every statement of the CDWDS is an act of authentic interpretation as defined by Canon 16 and so has the force of law. That’s my point–it doesn’t claim that. One can’t simply say that because the CDWDS issued a given statement that therefore it’s law. It may or may not be.

At least, that’s the way I read it, for what it’s worth. (which may or may not be out to lunch)

And so, following that understanding, the fact that the USCCB can also exercise legislative authority, there exists the possibility concerning (hypothetical) Issue Number One that statement (a) from the CDWDS could be non-law and statement (b) from the USCCB could be legally binding. Where the statements differed, if they did, (b) would have the force of law and (a) would not.
No. The USCCB cannot exercise any legal authority. They can propose adaptations to the rites, but, these must be done with a 2/3 vote of the Latin Rite bishops. Furthermore, after the vote, if the adaptation is approved by that majority, then, it is sent to Rome for the necessary recognitio. That is why documents like Sing to the Lord and the document that it replaced, Music in Catholic Worship, are not binding because they lack the 2/3 vote of the Latin-Rite bishops and the necessary recognitio from Rome.

The CDWDS is the prevailing authority, not the USCCB. The USCCB can suggest things, but, these suggestions are just that. They do not have the force of law.
 
No. The USCCB cannot exercise any legal authority. They can propose adaptations to the rites, but, these must be done with a 2/3 vote of the Latin Rite bishops. Furthermore, after the vote, if the adaptation is approved by that majority, then, it is sent to Rome for the necessary recognitio. That is why documents like Sing to the Lord and the document that it replaced, Music in Catholic Worship, are not binding because they lack the 2/3 vote of the Latin-Rite bishops and the necessary recognitio from Rome.

The CDWDS is the prevailing authority, not the USCCB. The USCCB can suggest things, but, these suggestions are just that. They do not have the force of law.
No yourself.

Read Sacrosanctum Concilium 22. I could have sworn I referred to this previously, sorry if I didn’t.

Also, read Canon Law, the “prevailing authority” for Church legislation is not any Congregation, Council, etc. of the Curia. It’s the Pope and the College of Bishops. But of course, please, if you can help correct this, let us know where the Church teaches that the CDWDS is the “prevailing authority” for legislation.
 
No yourself.

Read Sacrosanctum Concilium 22.
Actually, I spoke to the USCCB Committee on Divine Worship regarding the issue of the Exultet that was used in my parish. The administrative assistant told me that they really did not have any authority to act on the matter. In fact, he added that they have limited authority. He referred me back to my own diocesan office of worship (non-existent, I told him). Then, he referred me to the office of worship for the Archdiocese of Portland so that I can discuss the situation (since the composition in question came from OCP and was, as I suspected, ilicit).

The key phrase is “within certain defined limits”; thus, it is not carte blanche, as you seem to think that it is. Only the Holy See enjoys complete jurisdiction, something that you seem to think is not possible.
 
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