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I attended Mass this weekend. A nun gave the homily. She gave some insights about scripture then went on and made a plea for the support of the retired religious. I’m Ok with the plea, but shouldn’t the homily be reserved for priests, bishops or deacons?

I see subtle abuses occurring from holding hands at communion, excessive use of “extraordinary” ministers and clapping for anyone that does anything.

My question is how do the clergy expect the faithful to remain committed to the teachings on faith and morals from the magesterium when even the clergy seems to ignore the form listed in the GIRM?
 
I attended Mass this weekend. A nun gave the homily. She gave some insights about scripture then went on and made a plea for the support of the retired religious. I’m Ok with the plea, but shouldn’t the homily be reserved for priests, bishops or deacons?

I see subtle abuses occurring from holding hands at communion, excessive use of “extraordinary” ministers and clapping for anyone that does anything.

My question is how do the clergy expect the faithful to remain committed to the teachings on faith and morals from the magesterium when even the clergy seems to ignore the form listed in the GIRM?
For 2,000 years in the Church, we have had both great saints who encouraged people to be faithful to God’s laws and terrible examples who have brought scandal. You cannot lump all the clergy together as if all liturgical abuse is equally committed by each member of the clergy. There are many members of the clergy who have suffered greatly for following Canon law and insisting that it be followed, though really that have done no more than their duty.

A religious sister should not be “preaching” during the time reserved for the homily; she cannot preach a homily because in order for it to be a homily, it must be preached by a deacon, a priest or a bishop, and a homily must be given on each Mass celebrated with the people on all Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation. Even a bishop may not dispense from this law, since the law concerning the homily is what is known as constitutive law, and it is beyond his competency to dispense from such law. Nevertheless, it is commonplace to see such abuses as you mentioned during “mission” Sundays, or even to have the TV rolled out for a bishop’s appeal during the time reserved for the homily. Though its prudence can be argued, such things could be done under current liturgical law before Mass, after the Post-Communion prayer, or after the Mass itself, but not during the time reserved for the homily and in place of it.

Before a man is ordained, he must make a solemn promise to God to obey Canon law (which includes Liturgical law) and insist that it be obeyed. This is known as the Oath of Fidelity. It’s difficult to see how the deliberate breaking of this is not gravely sinful. If you feel comfortable following a member of the clergy when he commits an act that is objectively of grave matter, then I guess you don’t need to remain committed to the teachings on faith and morals from the magesterium. Just be aware that you may be following him to eternal damnation.

Here, when necessary, we must follow the words of our Lord, making the appropriate substitutions for, “Pharisees” and “Moses”:

“The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice.” (Mt 23: 2-3)

So how do I expect the faithful to remain committed to the teachings on faith and morals from the magesterium when even the clergy seems to ignore the form listed in the GIRM? By advising that one follow the Lord, and not put his trust in the example of any particular member of the clergy. The Lord has given the Church the power to bind and to loosen, and to interpret infallibly matters of faith and morals. He did not give its clergy the gift of impeccability. The challenge of scandalous clergy began with Judas, and we will not see its end until the Second Coming. So, when you see members of the clergy not following the Church’s laws, pray for them, but do not follow their example.

God bless,

Fr. Boyd
 
Oh, and one more piece of advice, this time from Mother Angelica: Don’t go to an Electric Church. What’s an Electric Church, you ask? An Electric Church is one where you get a shock every time you go!

It’s worth finding a parish where Mass is offered the way Holy Mother Church intends, even if you have to drive a while to attend.
 
Dear Fr. Boyd,

Many thanks for your edifying response.
For 2,000 years in the Church, we have had both great saints who encouraged people to be faithful to God’s laws and terrible examples who have brought scandal. You cannot lump all the clergy together as if all liturgical abuse is equally committed by each member of the clergy. There are many members of the clergy who have suffered greatly for following Canon law and insisting that it be followed, though really that have done no more than their duty.

I didn’t mean to suggest that my question concerned all priests. I love our priests and do not want to be critical of them in a personal way, rather my concern is for the message being sent by those few that see fit to do things their way could be confusing to those of us in the pews.

A religious sister should not be “preaching” during the time reserved for the homily; she cannot preach a homily because in order for it to be a homily, it must be preached by a deacon, a priest or a bishop, and a homily must be given on each Mass celebrated with the people on all Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation. Even a bishop may not dispense from this law, since the law concerning the homily is what is known as constitutive law, and it is beyond his competency to dispense from such law. Nevertheless, it is commonplace to see such abuses as you mentioned during “mission” Sundays, or even to have the TV rolled out for a bishop’s appeal during the time reserved for the homily. Though its prudence can be argued, such things could be done under current liturgical law before Mass, after the Post-Communion prayer, or after the Mass itself, but not during the time reserved for the homily and in place of it.

This is not a “stop the world I want to get off” issue. In the overall scheme of things, no one got hurt and it seems almost trivial to even bring it up. At the same time, by dispensing with a real sense of propriety for the Mass, there is a danger of irreverence and pride seeping in.

Before a man is ordained, he must make a solemn promise to God to obey Canon law (which includes Liturgical law) and insist that it be obeyed. This is known as the Oath of Fidelity. It’s difficult to see how the deliberate breaking of this is not gravely sinful. If you feel comfortable following a member of the clergy when he commits an act that is objectively of grave matter, then I guess you don’t need to remain committed to the teachings on faith and morals from the magesterium. Just be aware that you may be following him to eternal damnation.

Two wrongs never made a right! I get it, Father. I really wasn’t referrring to one being obstinate. I am not defending the Catholic that says, “If the priest can do this, then I don’t have to believe that”! No, I believe that it can cause confusion as to the nature of church teaching. Exactly how much is a Catholic required to be faithful to the teachings given the laxity exhibited by the priest?

Here, when necessary, we must follow the words of our Lord, making the appropriate substitutions for, “Pharisees” and “Moses”:

“The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice.” (Mt 23: 2-3)

99.9% of what our priests do for us is wonderful. Again, I don’t want to be petty or unfair. I do love our priests and I will continue to pray for them. Sometimes we expect our priests to be perfect and often, that is unfair.

So how do I expect the faithful to remain committed to the teachings on faith and morals from the magesterium when even the clergy seems to ignore the form listed in the GIRM? By advising that one follow the Lord, and not put his trust in the example of any particular member of the clergy. The Lord has given the Church the power to bind and to loosen, and to interpret infallibly matters of faith and morals. He did not give its clergy the gift of impeccability. The challenge of scandalous clergy began with Judas, and we will not see its end until the Second Coming. So, when you see members of the clergy not following the Church’s laws, pray for them, but do not follow their example.

Thank you for your thoughtful response, Father. And thank you for your fidelity to our faith. Please remember my pastor at you next Mass.
 
Fr. Boyd,

I am a Seminarian and would like to see if I could make from time to time questions on issues that come up at the Seminary that seem a little to the left. I would like to take these kind of questions off line since i dont think prudent to share with the rest of the group. Could you send me your direct email address.

Thank you and God Bless.

Allan
 
I attended Mass this weekend. A nun gave the homily. She gave some insights about scripture then went on and made a plea for the support of the retired religious. I’m Ok with the plea, but shouldn’t the homily be reserved for priests, bishops or deacons?

I see subtle abuses occurring from holding hands at communion, excessive use of “extraordinary” ministers and clapping for anyone that does anything.

My question is how do the clergy expect the faithful to remain committed to the teachings on faith and morals from the magesterium when even the clergy seems to ignore the form listed in the GIRM?
Ughhh!!!

Only a Bishop, priest or deacon (deacon with permission of the presiding priest), may give the sermon in the Ordinary Form…in the EF priest or bishop only- and the sermon in the EF is optional and not considered part of the Mass.

Sister wannabe is not allowed to give the sermon/homily.

Ken
 
and the sermon in the EF is optional and not considered part of the Mass.
Actually, it’s not optional on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation, because the 1983 Code trumps any other law.
 
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Here, when necessary, we must follow the words of our Lord, making the appropriate substitutions for, “Pharisees” and “Moses”:

“The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice.” (Mt 23: 2-3)

So how do I expect the faithful to remain committed to the teachings on faith and morals from the magesterium when even the clergy seems to ignore the form listed in the GIRM? By advising that one follow the Lord, and not put his trust in the example of any particular member of the clergy. The Lord has given the Church the power to bind and to loosen, and to interpret infallibly matters of faith and morals. He did not give its clergy the gift of impeccability. The challenge of scandalous clergy began with Judas, and we will not see its end until the Second Coming. So, when you see members of the clergy not following the Church’s laws, pray for them, but do not follow their example.

God bless,

Fr. Boyd
I think this is a very fine and wise point to make as regards how to regard these types of “occasional” abuses. At my own parish I have seen this (“homily” given by non-authorized person) happen on mission Sunday or on behalf of retired religous. However, since this is only a rare occurance I am inclined to overlook it.
Of greater concern to me (and this one seems rampant) is the excessive use of extraordinary ministers at mass. It particularly disturbs me when I see them being used while one or more of our deacons is in attendance at mass.

All of this being said, Christ’s own words about obedience to teachings stands up well. He will deal harshly with those persons in positions of authority who are acting and/or teaching improperly, but will be merciful with those under authority who are obedient to their Church leaders.

Peace
James
 
My question is how do the clergy expect the faithful to remain committed to the teachings on faith and morals from the magesterium when even the clergy seems to ignore the form listed in the GIRM?
Hi cargau,

I’m not a priest. The way it seems to me, though, is that the clergy who ignore this or that doctrine or law don’t care as much whether the faithful remain committed to those particular doctrines or laws. So, in fact, they don’t expect the faithful to remain faithful.

Dan
 
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