For All the Protestants That Care to Answer . . .

[dessert]

Although i cannot say all Christian tithe, but at least all the Christian i know tithe and all the Catholic i know don’t tithe (with exception to one frez whom is a Catholic and start to tithe when he came over to my church, coz it is also where he got to know about tithing) in fact this frez of mine whom parent’s does not like him to tithe , despite them knowing CC tithing principle but yet they just don’t want to tithe. Another similar cases hit my ex boyfriend as well, his Catholic uncle tell him not to tithe!!! Thus previously it always make me wonder, why Catholic pple always challenge us why do we tithe despite CC having a tithing principle written by their Saint…In my country majority of the protestant are stronger in all aspect of their faith compare to most Catholics, at such Singapore are dominated by protestant of the christianity population.

Actually if all Catholic in my place can be like the American, i’m sure to tell you they will be more non-believers converting to Christianity, then leaving most of the evangelizing work to the protestant. I guess if Catholic can spend time evangelizing, probably i would probably be a Catholic today and not a protestant. By far till date i never hear a single Catholic frez of mine sharing their Catholic faith to me and never did i hear them asking non believer to a CC, come on if Catholic just believe that simply by praying, non believer frez of theirs will go to a CC, then we don’t even need to evangelize…all i can say, majority of the catholic here are rather disappointing to me ,coz most of them don’t even know most of their foundation Catholicism doctrine…and it is even a sad sight that a Protestant like me to learn what i know here to help them…WHY ARE THEY SO INACTIVE IN LEARNING ABOUT CATHOLICISM!!!

It is nice to meet you happy gal from singapore!
I too wondered about tithing when I came back to the cc. I am a cradel catholic revert which means I was away for awhile and I started to tithe right away but I learned about in the protestant church more so but did not practice. There are more people in the cc now don’t get mad at me but this is true there are more that do not get paid for doing anything.
For example the priests nuns even lay clergy deacons and the houskeeping and the people that put everything up and take everything down the choir director setting up for funerals etc. etc. It baffled me that when I came back I kept asking what are you geting paid for that until they were so embarassed by my question I started to get really embarassed and that was a good thing because I was learning that a budget can be really stretcheddddd by people just doing what they can and showing the next generation what to do for instance fish dinners to raise money. It is not catered all is done by volenteers and the money raised is not a lot but it is enough as Jesus wants us to have enough and wants to fullfill our needs not always oour wants.

 

[believers]

I was just wondering that if the CC dropped their Traditions of honoring Mary and the saints, the sacrament of Confession to a priest and the papal infallibility doctrine, would Protestants become Catholic?
The reason I listed these is because these seem to be the main ones Protestants have issues with.
Also, if your reason is not listed in the ones I mentioned, feel free to share.
Protestants that converted to Catholicism can also share the reason why they converted, if they’d like.

Absolutely not. The Catholic religion teaches that we are free from sin through water baptism which is so far from the truth. Protestants (this one anyway) believes we are freed from sin by the blood of Jesus only. Jesus is the way, the truth, and life, no man comes to Father but by Him. We humble and submit ourselves to God. Our faith comes from the Word of God.

 

[Contarini]

Absolutely not. The Catholic religion teaches that we are free from sin through water baptism which is so far from the truth.

Protestants (this one anyway) believes we are freed from sin by the blood of Jesus only.

Are you saying in that case that there is no means by which we receive salvation other than the blood of Jesus? That appears to be what you are saying. In that case, why isn’t everyone saved? It can’t be because some people accept Jesus and others don’t, because by your logic in that case we would be saved by accepting Jesus and *not *by Jesus’ blood.

In other words, you can’t use the slogan “only Jesus’ blood” to exclude baptism unless you also exclude any other means by which we might receive the benefits of Jesus’ blood.

We humble and submit ourselves to God.

I thought you just said that we are saved only by Jesus’ blood? Apparently you don’t really mean this.

Our faith comes from the Word of God.

So faith and the Word of God are both necessary as well?

So we have at least three things that are necessary as well as Jesus’ blood:

1. Humbling and submitting ourselves to God
2. Faith
3. The Word of God from which faith comes

Why not baptism as well? You are being completely inconsistent here.

IN Christ,

Edwin

 

[dessert]

Absolutely not. The Catholic religion teaches that we are free from sin through water baptism which is so far from the truth. Protestants (this one anyway) believes we are freed from sin by the blood of Jesus only. Jesus is the way, the truth, and life, no man comes to Father but by Him. We humble and submit ourselves to God. Our faith comes from the Word of God.

If you are going to dedicate your child to the ways of the church why not baptize as well I can’t figure out why you protestants don’t?

So that your child can make up it’s own mind like you are not teaching correctly? Or your faith isn’t the right one?
A child can understand a lot more than you think because they are always getting spiritual food through the family of God.
I believe the early church baptized infants along with the rest of the families. dessert

 

[believers]

Are you saying in that case that there is no means by which we receive salvation other than the blood of Jesus? That appears to be what you are saying. In that case, why isn’t everyone saved? It can’t be because some people accept Jesus and others don’t, because by your logic in that case we would be saved by accepting Jesus and *not *by Jesus’ blood.

In other words, you can’t use the slogan “only Jesus’ blood” to exclude baptism unless you also exclude any other means by which we might receive the benefits of Jesus’ blood.

I thought you just said that we are saved only by Jesus’ blood? Apparently you don’t really mean this.

So faith and the Word of God are both necessary as well?

So we have at least three things that are necessary as well as Jesus’ blood:

1. Humbling and submitting ourselves to God
2. Faith
3. The Word of God from which faith comes

Why not baptism as well? You are being completely inconsistent here.

IN Christ,

Edwin

We all have a sin problem. However, Jesus paid our debt in full with His own blood. If we confess that Jesus is the Son of God who died and was raised from the died by the power of God. Turn to Him in Faith by submitting yourself to God.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Jam 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God.

Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

 

[believers]

If you are going to dedicate your child to the ways of the church why not baptize as well I can’t figure out why you protestants don’t?

So that your child can make up it’s own mind like you are not teaching correctly? Or your faith isn’t the right one?
A child can understand a lot more than you think because they are always getting spiritual food through the family of God.
I believe the early church baptized infants along with the rest of the families. dessert

We don’t because water baptism does not save. Peter said “Repent and be baptized…” How does a new born child repent? Only an adult can repent and be baptized with the Holy Ghost. It is a choice that every person must make.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Syele]

If you are going to dedicate your child to the ways of the church why not baptize as well I can’t figure out why you protestants don’t?

So that your child can make up it’s own mind like you are not teaching correctly? Or your faith isn’t the right one?
A child can understand a lot more than you think because they are always getting spiritual food through the family of God.
I believe the early church baptized infants along with the rest of the families. dessert

Baptism dosn’t make you a good parent necessarily, or good at modeling your faith. I’ve seen many who were baptized as infants later reject the Catholic faith. Some people seem to see baptism as some sort of miracle cure for babies. Action beyond that IS required.

As protestants we take “repent and be Baptized” in that order. Children are dedicated to God in infancy, this is a promise by the parents to bring them up teaching them about faith in God. Should parents keep the promise, the child will repent and be baptized when they are old enough. In fact, many of the children (myself included) ASKED to be baptized when the time was right.

 

[rr1213]

As protestants we take “repent and be Baptized” in that order. Children are dedicated to God in infancy, this is a promise by the parents to bring them up teaching them about faith in God. Should parents keep the promise, the child will repent and be baptized when they are old enough. In fact, many of the children (myself included) ASKED to be baptized when the time was right.

Your comments, of course, apply strictly only to those Protestants who reject infant baptism. I’d say that the majority of Protestants baptise infants (e.g., Episcopal, Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian).

 

[Blue_Serenity]

Your comments, of course, apply strictly only to those Protestants who reject infant baptism. I’d say that the majority of Protestants baptise infants (e.g., Episcopal, Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian).

Our church has baptism of infants as part of an “initiation process” into their church.
They will re-baptize adults who have fallen away and come back to the church.

 

[rr1213]

Our church has baptism of infants as part of an “initiation process” into their church.
They will re-baptize adults who have fallen away and come back to the church.

Interesting. What is your church?

 

[Blue_Serenity]

Interesting. What is your church?

Church of Christ

 

[Contarini]

We all have a sin problem. However, Jesus paid our debt in full with His own blood. If we confess that Jesus is the Son of God who died and was raised from the died by the power of God. Turn to Him in Faith by submitting yourself to God.

Are you saying that Jesus only paid our debt if we confess and turn to Him or are you saying that He has paid our debt and we receive the benefits of that ransom by confessing Him and turning to Him? These are rather different claims, and you don’t make it clear which you are claiming.

Either way, baptism is also mentioned over and over in Scripture as one of the means by which we receive the benefits of His Blood. Do I need to cite you all the passages where this is said, such as Mark 16:16 (if you accept the longer ending of Mark); Acts 2:38 and 22:16, Romans 6:3-4, and 1 Peter 3:21?

You claim that these verses can’t be taken at face value because that would negate salvation through Jesus’ blood alone. But you have not explained why this is so.

In Christ,

Edwin

 

[Contarini]

Church of Christ

United Church of Christ? I can’t imagine the Church of Christ as I know it ever baptizing infants under any circumstances whatsoever. But the UCC is a different story. . . .

Edwin

 

[Blue_Serenity]

United Church of Christ? I can’t imagine the Church of Christ as I know it ever baptizing infants under any circumstances whatsoever. But the UCC is a different story. . . .

Edwin

I guess I should have specified a little more. Our official title is United Congregational Church/Church of Christ.

 

[calchiquita]

Protestants that converted to Catholicism can also share the reason why they converted, if they’d like.

This is also a bit of an answer to those who ask why Catholics are not evangelizing. No Catholics knocked at my door, but it was by watching a Catholic turn to God in his daily life that I was drawn to learn about the Church.
I wondered what Catholics believed and instead of googling “Catholic beliefs” I googled “Catholic converts” to see what the differences were. Before long I was reading some stories in “Surprised by Truth” (shhhh… I didn’t buy the books but read the stories in them at the bookstore). It was just satisfying my curiosity, but led to me reading John 6 in my bible. While reading those verses, I became Catholic - I knew that “communion” in other churches were shadows of the real thing and God was calling me to the real thing. That was the start. I was delivered from an addiction at the same time. Also, many verses in the Bible that had not made sense to me before or had frightened me were now sensible and comforting. The truth really does set you free.

 

[awantz]

I was just wondering that if the CC dropped their Traditions of honoring Mary and the saints, the sacrament of Confession to a priest and the papal infallibility doctrine, would Protestants become Catholic?
The reason I listed these is because these seem to be the main ones Protestants have issues with.
Also, if your reason is not listed in the ones I mentioned, feel free to share.
Protestants that converted to Catholicism can also share the reason why they converted, if they’d like.

Personnally, the Catholic church wouldn’t even have to go quite that far, but I 'd just rather see us all united as one church/family like in will be in the end. That’s the real Catholic church, in my opinion.

 

[jmcrae]

Baptism dosn’t make you a good parent necessarily, or good at modeling your faith. I’ve seen many who were baptized as infants later reject the Catholic faith. Some people seem to see baptism as some sort of miracle cure for babies. Action beyond that IS required.

As protestants we take “repent and be Baptized” in that order. Children are dedicated to God in infancy, this is a promise by the parents to bring them up teaching them about faith in God. Should parents keep the promise, the child will repent and be baptized when they are old enough. In fact, many of the children (myself included) ASKED to be baptized when the time was right.

So, we have to actually sin before we can be allowed to be brought into a relationship with Jesus Christ?

Why is it that you believe that people who have no personal sins to repent of can’t be baptized and brought into Christ’s family?

Why should people who have never personally sinned be deprived of eternal life in Heaven with Jesus Christ, simply because they never had anything to repent of?

 

[jmcrae]

Personnally, the Catholic church wouldn’t even have to go quite that far, but I 'd just rather see us all united as one church/family like in will be in the end. That’s the real Catholic church, in my opinion.

What would this one world-wide church look like, do you think?

 

[awantz]

What would this one world-wide church look like, do you think?

I don’t know what it would look like, but I know the Bible talks about how we will all be reunited someday. I also heard, from a Catholic, that Pope BenedictXVI would like to see this as well.

 

[jmcrae]

I don’t know what it would look like, but I know the Bible talks about how we will all be reunited someday. I also heard, from a Catholic, that Pope BenedictXVI would like to see this as well.

Yes, he would. Of course, his idea of it is that everyone would become members of the Catholic Church, and he would still be the Pope.

I was just wondering what your idea of it would be. Would we still have a Pope? Would there still be things like Doctrine, Morality, and the Sacraments? I’m just wondering what the Protestant idea of “unity” would look like.