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[Mannyfit75]

I have a question for both Catholics and Non-Catholic Christians. How do you refute the acusation that Christianity itself is Homophobic?

I like to find out some opinions on this matter. Thanks

 

[StMarkEofE]

I have a question for both Catholics and Non-Catholic Christians. How do you refute the acusation that Christianity itself is Homophobic?

I like to find out some opinions on this matter. Thanks

Well as far as the excercise of the homosexual activity a true Christian has to be homophobic. But, a true Christian will be sympathetic and forgiving of the homosexual where the homosexual sheds his or her practices in this abomination.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Well as far as the excercise of the homosexual activity a true Christian has to be homophobic. But, a true Christian will be sympathetic and forgiving of the homosexual where the homosexual sheds his or her practices in this abomination.

Of course, homosexual acts have been generally agreed by all Christians as a grave sin.

We are also called to avoid acts that may discriminate against individuals with homosexual tendencies…

 

[Syele]

hehe “fear of the same,” hmmm I don’t fear people who are the same as I am. Thinking homosexuals are wrong is not the same as fearing them.

If I call someone “greedy” does that make me discriminatory against people who have a problem with greed?

Christians should simply see it on the same plain as greed or jealousy. It’s not Good and it’s not in your DNA (unless you are going for some origional sin argument). People don’t (usually) wake up one morning and say “Hmm I think, instead of likeing the opposite sex today, I’ll like the same sex instead!” or "Hmm I think I should spend my day today being REALLY jealous of Cindy Crawford!’ Do people still feel jealous or greedy or homosexual? yes. And they usually don’t plan it. Just because you feel something without planning it dosn’t make it a good thing. We all have an area in our lives where we are more susceptable to sin. Some people never experience jealousy but they struggle with vainity, some never experience a problem with pride but do struggle with SSA.

So if this makes me homophobic I suppose I also have a fear of people who are vain, jealous, greedy, prideful, and/or lots of other things.

 

[lak611]

Homosexual activity is a sin, but homosexuals are not to be hated. God hates sin but loves sinners. Homosexuals are called to live a chaste lifestyle, just like everybody else. The only appropriate sexual relations are between a husband and wife. Single people who are straight must also abstain from sexual relations. Fornication is just as sinful as homosexual relations.

 

[kellie]

This is the Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition of “homophobic” …

“irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals”

Christians are not fearful of homosexuals.

We love all humans as Jesus told us to.

Christians don’t have an aversion towards homosexuals, we do not turn away from anyone.

Christians do not discriminate against homosexuals either.

Therefore, we aren’t homophobic.

Christians believe homosexual sex is a sin, and is wrong.

But we pray for the homosexual, for the Holy Spirit to help them lead a chaste life, that they are called to live.

 

[Mystophilus]

I have a question for both Catholics and Non-Catholic Christians. How do you refute the acusation that Christianity itself is Homophobic?

“The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and three hundred and sixty-two admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn’t mean that God doesn’t love heterosexuals. It’s just that they need more supervision.”
~Lynn Lavner

 

[ALLFORHIM]

Homosexual activity is a sin, but homosexuals are not to be hated. God hates sin but loves sinners. Homosexuals are called to live a chaste lifestyle, just like everybody else. The only appropriate sexual relations are between a husband and wife. Single people who are straight must also abstain from sexual relations. Fornication is just as sinful as homosexual relations.

Hi,

I agree with you and everyone else.

 

[TimOliv]

I have a question for both Catholics and Non-Catholic Christians. How do you refute the acusation that Christianity itself is Homophobic?

I like to find out some opinions on this matter. Thanks

Well, popular culture right now sees religions restrictions as being the product of archaic ignorance. Therefore when a church does not ordain women, the liberals cry “Sexist” even though it has nothing to do with sexism, it deals with centuries of tradition.

Likewise, a church says that homosexuality is a disorder, and homosexual acts are sinful and the result is “The church is homophobic”

The church is not homophobic, but the church is not going to

1. Run contrary to the scripture just because we feel the Gospel writers were wrong.
2. Change doctrine (not customs) when enough people gather and “vote” on it.
3. Jump on the “feel good” bandwagon and call nothing a sin, do not encourage sacrifice to God, and basically say every single person in the world will go to heaven as long as they are good people.

 

[chris_molter]

I think it depends on how you want to define “homosexual” and “homophobic”. Personally, I dislike the innovative term “Homosexual” altogether, since many folks who engage in this lifestyle change as they grow older and “go straight”. Discussing things in terms of same-sex attraction, while not as cut and dry as “gay” or “straight” is often more accurate.

That being said, technically I have to disagree with kellie. By the dictionary definition provided Christians (in general) DO discriminate against homosexuals. The Catholic Church and most protestant bodies do not permit sexually active homosexuals to be ordained as ministers, which is de facto discrimination.

Other than that, I’d echo what other posters have said. We’re all fallen. We all sin. Some people are prone to lying, or stealing or drug and alcohol abuse. Some folks tend towards sexual sins (whether towards the opposite sex or not). The problem isn’t folks who have same sex attraction. It’s the folks that try to justify it and claim that it isn’t sinful that are problematic.

 

[Mommyof02green]

Homosexual activity is a sin, but homosexuals are not to be hated. God hates sin but loves sinners. Homosexuals are called to live a chaste lifestyle, just like everybody else. The only appropriate sexual relations are between a husband and wife. Single people who are straight must also abstain from sexual relations. Fornication is just as sinful as homosexual relations.

I agree with this as well!
There are resources that can help people live a “chaste lifestyle”: couragerc.net/

There are resources that, also, can help other family members and friends, show love and support, without comprising their own morals and values: couragerc.net/Encourage.html

 

[Nighthaven]

Well the non-ordination of Active Homosexuals stems back from the practice of not allowing Roman Soldiers to remain a Soldier while becoming a priest. Under Pagan Rome, Christians were persecuted by the Roman Soldiers; so one couldn’t be actively engaging in mortal sin and be a priest at the sametime. Homosexual Acts are Mortal Sins so thus they can’t be a Active Homosexual and a priest. Also being a Active Homosexual violates the the vow of celibacy priests have to make.

Homosexual Acts are no different than any other Mortal Sin. Thats the way the Church looks at it. The problem is that Homosexuals define themselves by homosexuality. When they shouldn’t be defining themselves like that. Homosexuality doesn’t define you. So treat it like any other sin and just abstain from it. Many people have already done it. Not to mention there is therapy for homosexuality that is producing results.

Homophobic is usually a term used as a conversation ender. When one doesn’t agree with the homosexual agenda or the forceful homosexual agenda as employed in California, your deemed as a homophobic. As if that is suppose to end the arguement. As if your labeled as a prejudice person and your opinions should be discarded. If a Christians has to be a ‘phobic’ than the correct term that should apply is Sinophobic

 

[rr1213]

The term “homophobic” is not neutral, but value laden. It is used by people who want to erase any stigma that society has attached to homosexual behavior. It is a tool of the “political correct” used to demean people who believe that homosexual activity is either sinful and/or unnatural. Unless you are one of the politicallly correct, don’t buy into their arguments by using their terminology. (See also “pro-choice” vs. “pro-life” as opposed to “pro-abortion” vs. “anti-abortion”).

 

[TimOliv]

hehe
So if this makes me homophobic I suppose I also have a fear of people who are vain, jealous, greedy, prideful, and/or lots of other things.

Well put

:clapping:

 

[Mystophilus]

Well, popular culture right now sees religions restrictions as being the product of archaic ignorance. Therefore when a church does not ordain women, the liberals cry “Sexist” even though it has nothing to do with sexism, it deals with centuries of tradition.

Why do you imagine that being traditional exempts an action from being sexist? Men are ordained and women are not; this is a discrimination based purely on sex, which is the definition of sexist, whatever its motivation might be.

Likewise, a church says that homosexuality is a disorder, and homosexual acts are sinful and the result is “The church is homophobic”.

While the conclusion that the church is homophobic is not necessarily sound, the fact that most of it discriminates against homosexuals is quite obvious.

The church … is not going to

1. Run contrary to the scripture just because we feel the Gospel writers were wrong.

1. Change doctrine (not customs) when enough people gather and “vote” on it.

1. Jump on the “feel good” bandwagon and call nothing a sin, do not encourage sacrifice to God, and basically say every single person in the world will go to heaven as long as they are good people.

I would hate for it to feel that it needed to follow numbers 2 and 3, but number 1 would actually be entirely justified: if you think that one action is wrong, despite being traditional, and the other is right, despite being radical, you definitely ought to perform the latter action and not the former. Doing what is right is far more important than doing what is traditional.

Obviously, the Roman Catholic Church does not feel that the Paul (as opposed to the Gospel writers, who never mentioned homosexuality) was incorrect in this case, and so this situation does not apply. However, if they ever did, they would be wrong to follow what they believed to be wrong.

 

[frnate]

hehe “fear of the same,” hmmm I don’t fear people who are the same as I am. Thinking homosexuals are wrong is not the same as fearing them.

If I call someone “greedy” does that make me discriminatory against people who have a problem with greed?

Christians should simply see it on the same plain as greed or jealousy. It’s not Good and it’s not in your DNA (unless you are going for some origional sin argument). People don’t (usually) wake up one morning and say “Hmm I think, instead of likeing the opposite sex today, I’ll like the same sex instead!” or "Hmm I think I should spend my day today being REALLY jealous of Cindy Crawford!’ Do people still feel jealous or greedy or homosexual? yes. And they usually don’t plan it. Just because you feel something without planning it dosn’t make it a good thing. We all have an area in our lives where we are more susceptable to sin. Some people never experience jealousy but they struggle with vainity, some never experience a problem with pride but do struggle with SSA.

So if this makes me homophobic I suppose I also have a fear of people who are vain, jealous, greedy, prideful, and/or lots of other things.

My zuchetto’s off to you, you nailed it.:tiphat:

Peace,
+Nathan

 

[frnate]

That being said, technically I have to disagree with kellie. By the dictionary definition provided Christians (in general) DO discriminate against homosexuals. The Catholic Church and most protestant bodies do not permit sexually active homosexuals to be ordained as ministers, which is de facto discrimination.

We also do not knowingly ordain practicing pedophiles, trans-genders, trans-sexuals or cross dressers (unless you want to count cassocks and albs) or other deviants. Not all discrimination is bad. I know this doesn’t really address the OP but I just had to throw in my 2 cents. Take it for what it’s worth.

Peace
+Nathan