For Catholics and Protestants

[RonWI]

Of course you have a problem with this: you’re a Lutheran. You reject the authority of the Keys, you reject that this authority was given to Peter or that it devolves upon his successors or that it is shared by the bishops of the Church, even though Christ speaks of it twice (one to Peter, then to the 12 together) and reinforces it when He breathed the Holy Spirit upon them and gave them the power to remit sins. You know, that’s a a huge chunk of “Sola Scriptura” that you’re rejecting there.

By the way, your response has nothing to do with my post. I did not say that I am Lutheran because of the Primacy of the Pope issue. My quotes to the Council of Trent have nothing to do with that. If you are going to go on the attack, at least attack the correct issue.

 

[michaelgazin]

RonWI:

Perhaps I should have been more specific. I should have said because I can give credit to no one or thing other than Christ. Because my salvation is credited to Christ alone, I can boast of my confidence in Him and it. He did everything in his passion. He paid the entire price. There is nothing left for me to do or pay.

I am Catholic for this eloquently phrased reason. I am incapable of doing anything on my own to merit salvation. Through Christ alone am I able to be saved; He did everything, and paid the price in full.

Peace,
Michael

 

[Strider]

scylla:

It is interesting about how when you leave the Catholic faith, you can’t defend it, but a month later you know all about it and how bad it is.

That’s great! Can I steal it?

I’m Catholic because it’s the Church Jesus founded, and he left us himself as spiritual food. We have the fulness of Christ and the fulness of the Truth.

 

[shannin]

I’m Catholic because it’s the Church Jesus founded, and he left us himself as spiritual food. We have the fulness of Christ and the fulness of the Truth.

All of the above reasons for me. The RCC satisfies all of my spititual needs. It is awesome.

Shannin

 

[RonWI]

michaelgazin:

I am Catholic for this eloquently phrased reason. I am incapable of doing anything on my own to merit salvation. Through Christ alone am I able to be saved; He did everything, and paid the price in full.

Peace,
Michael

Michael, You’re not boasting of confidence and certainty of the remission of your sins, and resting on that alone, are you?

 

[michaelgazin]

RonWI:

Michael, You’re not boasting of confidence and certainty of the remission of your sins, and resting on that alone, are you?

Moral certainty yes.

 

[michaelgazin]

However, I continue to “work out [my] own salvation with fear and trembling,” Phil. 2:12 through obedience to the Lord.

 

[Dan-Man916]

I was a Catholic, but left because my faith was dead, and I thought that the Catholic CHurch had nothing to offer me.

Then i believed that everything i needed for my personal relationship with Christ was to be found in the bible and in accepting him as personal Lord and savior.

I took for granted the maxim by which our denomination operated “Show me where it is written”.
When i started realizing that no where is it written that the bible alone is the sole rule of faith and morals, it started a long path that showed me what a REAL personal relationship with Christ was, what it really meant to accept Jesus as my Lord and savior, and what it meant to have a personal encounter with Him.

I thought the Catholic Church had nothing for me.
But I realized that what the evengelical denominations claim as their fundamental creed, a personal relationship with Christ, is found in its fullness within the Catholic Church.

I discovered that what evengelicals claimed, the Catholic Church had in substance.
After being given that gift of faith to see that my dead faith was of my own lack of participation in the Body of Christ, there was no way i could stay an evangelical protestant.

 

[RonWI]

michaelgazin:

Moral certainty yes.

You don’t see an inconsistency between your certainty and the Council of Trent passage I quoted above?

 

[bjcros]

I remain Protestant because I have issues with some of the Catholic Churches doctrine.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

RonWI:

By the way, your response has nothing to do with my post. I did not say that I am Lutheran because of the Primacy of the Pope issue. My quotes to the Council of Trent have nothing to do with that. If you are going to go on the attack, at least attack the correct issue.

Sorry if I took you wrong. See post 22 for the true teaching of the Catholic Church.

 

[javelin]

RonWI:

You don’t see an inconsistency between your certainty and the Council of Trent passage I quoted above?

RonWI, help me understand your dilemma with the two passages you quoted. I’m not seeing where you are finding the problem.

Maybe it would help if you describe what you think an indulgence is, and what it does.

Peace,
javelin

 

[javelin]

Curious:

Why I’m not Catholic:

Basically 3 major things stand in my way, as of right now. Maybe a few other things as well, but those are smaller, I believe.

I’m not sure how to knock out these 3 things, but if/when it happens, I am mostly likely RCIA bound.

You never know though.

Care to share what those three things are?

Peace,
javelin

 

[Malgosia]

I am Catholic because it’s the most wonderful faith in the world.:clapping:

I am in a small Bible group headed by a Protestant pastor, where everyone except for me is a Protestant.
I am the only one who can answer most questions that come up (that happens when you have 2000 years of teaching to fall upon).
I am the only one that can quote the Bible, and biblically prove the validity of my faith.

I am also the only one with no “assurance” of salvation.

I do however have hope of salvation, and this hope is greater than all their “assurance” combined.

By the way, the Protestant pastor is pro-choice, because Jesus never said: “Do not abort a baby”. When I brought other biblical verses to prove that God is pro-life :yup: , he was still unconvinced.

Why I am not a Protestant?

Consider doctrinal disagreements within 33,000+ Protestant denominations. Each one of them claims to be inspired by the Holy Spirit, but they do not agree with each other. They read the same Bible, but interpret it in different ways. Is the Holy Spirit contradicting Himself? That could never happen. What’s the conclusion then? The only logical one. Protestant churches are not guided by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus, I trust in You

 

[turboEDvo]

bjcros:

I remain Protestant because I have issues with some of the Catholic Churches doctrine.

Just curious, which ones? Thanks

Eamon

 

[savone]

I am Protestant because 1) it was the faith through which I came to believe in Jesus Christ as Savior of the world; 2) it was the faith of my childhood and youth; 3) it was the faith to which I returned after “being away” for some 15 years; 4) it was a faith that comfortable to me; and 5), factors beyond my control. This leads to . . .

I am increasingly becoming dissatisfied with Protestantism because 1) as an infant I was baptized in the Holy Roman Catholic Church (only to be given away as an infant to a family who raised me as Protestant); 2) I wonder if the Protestant Reformation has run its course; 3) the lack of continuity with a faith tradition that continues to exclude much of Christianity (some Protestants seem to act as if the Church began with the Reformation); 4) lack of authoritative teaching within the denomination; 5) the personal affection, though I never met him, for John Paul II; and, 6) recent readings by George Weigel.
There’s more, but enough for now. Grace andpeace.

 

[bjcros]

turboEDvo:

Just curious, which ones? Thanks

Eamon

I don’t want to hijack this post. so don’t respond to this here.
1)Views of Mary
2) Prayer to the Saints(I don’t want to discuss this because I have discussed it enough).
3) Transubstantiation.
4) Justification by faith and works.
5) View of infallibility.
6) The teaching of the Catholic Church binds all.
7) Lose of Salvation.
8) Free-will.

 

[Tom]

Curious:

Why I’m not Catholic:

Basically 3 major things stand in my way, as of right now. Maybe a few other things as well, but those are smaller, I believe.

I’m not sure how to knock out these 3 things, but if/when it happens, I am mostly likely RCIA bound.

You never know though.

But you didn’t mention those three things!

I am a cradle Catholic, never doubted the Catholic Church, when I heard many of the lies and questions I researched, the more I researched the firmer I was in faith. I can understand some confusion on the part of some protestants, but, every problem I have researched comes from a lack of understanding or a misinterpretation of Scripture on the protestants part. Faith alone (no works) is a prime example, taken out of context the writings of Paul are confusing, one could even defend “no works”, however put back into it’s proper context, it is obvious that “no works” is wrong.

 

[santaro75]

RonWI:

Perhaps I should have been more specific. I should have said because I can give credit to no one or thing other than Christ. Because my salvation is credited to Christ alone, I can boast of my confidence in Him and it. He did everything in his passion. He paid the entire price. There is nothing left for me to do or pay.

From the Council of Trent:

CHAPTER IX.
Against the vain confidence of Heretics. But, although it is necessary to believe that sins neither are remitted, nor ever were remitted save gratuitously by the mercy of God for Christ’s sake; yet is it not to be said, that sins are forgiven, or have been forgiven, to any one who boasts of his confidence and certainty of the remission of his sins, and rests on that alone; seeing that it may exist, yea does in our day exist, amongst heretics and schismatics; and with great vehemence is this vain confidence, and one alien from all godliness, preached up in opposition to the Catholic Church.

DECREE CONCERNING INDULGENCES.Whereas the power of conferring Indulgences was granted by Christ to the Church; and she has, even in the most ancient times, used the said power, delivered unto her of God; the sacred holy Synod teaches, and enjoins, that the use of Indulgences, for the Christian people most salutary, and approved of [Page 278] by the authority of sacred Councils, is to be retained in the Church; and It condemns with anathema those who either assert, that they are useless; or who deny that there is in the Church the power of granting them.

I knew your first post was flame bait.

 

[santaro75]

RonWI:

I am Lutheran because I am unable to take any credit whatsoever for my salvation.

Flame bait:banghead:

I have struggled with Catholicism. Especially with saints and mary. But i gave in to the teaching and prayed to Mary and the Saints and WHOA:dancing: Let me tell all prots. There is a church in Heaven and they are very much alive and there to help you in anyway you need. It is like the day you discover that you have friends because they all line up to help you when you get in trouble.

Good luck you guys, I found it. I hope this doesn’t mean God will take me soon.